Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Sirs, For Rahu there are different remedy suggested for each house except for house 8th and the 11th. For both these houses the remedy is the same. In both cases 8 pieces have been advised to flow into a river. It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 coconuts, or 8 pieces of ranga. Either way the total is 8 pieces. Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in flowing water for Rahu in the 8th house but what is the logic of throwing 8 pieces for rahu in the 11th. Respectfully, HS Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Gill sahib, pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully explained rahu 11 remedy in his book but your question has posed a new question for me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe khadkte hue or containing water. i am in favour of cocunuts containing water because water is entraped in the shell. lets see what varun ji has to say in this regard. indeed very logical question has been put forward by your goodself. sinccerely kulbirbance , " gill_hs2005 " <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > Sirs, > > For Rahu there are different remedy suggested for each house except > for house 8th and the 11th. For both these houses the remedy is the > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been advised to flow into a river. > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 coconuts, or 8 pieces of ranga. > Either way the total is 8 pieces. > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in flowing water for Rahu in the > 8th house but what is the logic of throwing 8 pieces for rahu in the > 11th. > > Respectfully, > > HS Gill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji, Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed explanation. I am grateful for that. With respect, HS Gill , " kulbir bance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > Gurudev, > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree totally. > > sincerely > > > kulbirbance > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand that the upaya you have > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as 4pieces of > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a devised upaya > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab astrologers > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in the book.* > > > > > > > > Let me explain: > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:* > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5 > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki bazaar > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat takarane > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] dariya > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 sikke > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din] > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in one day > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions Lead > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in the > > > > context of the coins] > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11* > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention > > > > 1942 edition : no mention > > > > 1952 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 edition * > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :* > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka vazan > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja vale > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / Nariyal > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically devised upaya. > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna Ashant ji & > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik bhavanon ki gatha* " > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. Krishna Ashant ji > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be 8 in value > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or 10 or > > > > depending on the house affected. > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya* > > > > * as we have understood it :* > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember is that this > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th and > > > > the 11th and for no other house. > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8 > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is not > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in. > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would not > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It would > > > > have been 11 instead. > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the mind ?* > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th house > > > > and the 11th house? > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you. > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away. > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th? > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th? > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th. > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to? > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course. > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to? > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course. > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th. > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to * > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based* > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.* > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that > > > > Kulbir ji has raised. > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water > > > > or the one which is completely dry. > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be completely > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of Shani. > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet. > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is > > > > the whole of it with coir intact. > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " <kulbirbance@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Gill sahib, > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully explained rahu 11 > > > remedy in his book but your question has posed a new question for > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe khadkte hue or containing > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts containing water because water is > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun ji has to say in this > > > regard. indeed very logical question has been put forward by your > > > goodself. > > > > > > sinccerely > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy suggested for each house > > > except > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both these houses the remedy is > > > the > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been advised to flow into a > > > river. > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 coconuts, or 8 pieces of > > > ranga. > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces. > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in flowing water for Rahu in > > > the > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of throwing 8 pieces for rahu in > > > the > > > > 11th. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab led/sikka/ranga dariya me pravah kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana number 4 mein na ho . ya jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana no. 4 mein na ho. aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar mein nahi.yeh to hai upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna hota hai, jaise ki chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south face ) wale ke liye jaroori hai. mahajan , " gill_hs2005 " <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji, > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed explanation. I am > grateful for that. > > With respect, > > HS Gill > > > , " kulbir bance " > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > Gurudev, > > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree totally. > > > > sincerely > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand that the upaya you have > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as 4pieces of > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a devised upaya > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab astrologers > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in the book.* > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain: > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:* > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki bazaar > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat takarane > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] dariya > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 sikke > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din] > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in one day > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions Lead > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in the > > > > > > context of the coins] > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11* > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 edition * > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :* > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka vazan > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja vale > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / Nariyal > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically devised upaya. > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna Ashant ji & > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik bhavanon ki gatha* " > > > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. Krishna Ashant ji > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be 8 in value > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or 10 or > > > > > > depending on the house affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya* > > > > > > * as we have understood it :* > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember is that this > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th and > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8 > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is not > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in. > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would not > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It would > > > > > > have been 11 instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the mind ?* > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th house > > > > > > and the 11th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th? > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th? > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to? > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to? > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to * > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based* > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.* > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised. > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry. > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be completely > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of Shani. > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact. > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > <kulbirbance@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Gill sahib, > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully explained rahu 11 > > > > remedy in his book but your question has posed a new question > for > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe khadkte hue or > containing > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts containing water because > water is > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun ji has to say in > this > > > > regard. indeed very logical question has been put forward by > your > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > sinccerely > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy suggested for each house > > > > except > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both these houses the remedy > is > > > > the > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been advised to flow into a > > > > river. > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 coconuts, or 8 pieces of > > > > ranga. > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces. > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in flowing water for > Rahu in > > > > the > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of throwing 8 pieces for > rahu in > > > > the > > > > > 11th. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 respected Mahajan Sahib; the copncept of dariya and canal appealed to me. dariya is a natural running source of water but in case of a canal, water is first stored; read stopped, then sent in artificially created chanel, varun ji can elaborare on this issue in detail, but it appealled to me. thanks kulbirbance , " mts3434 " <mts3434 wrote: > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab led/sikka/ranga dariya me pravah > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana number 4 mein na ho . ya > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana no. 4 mein na ho. > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar mein nahi.yeh to hai > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna hota hai, jaise ki > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south face ) wale ke liye > jaroori hai. > > mahajan > , " gill_hs2005 " > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji, > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed explanation. I am > > grateful for that. > > > > With respect, > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir bance " > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree totally. > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand that the upaya you have > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as 4pieces of > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a devised upaya > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab astrologers > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in the book.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki bazaar > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat takarane > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] dariya > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 sikke > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in one day > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions Lead > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in the > > > > > > > > context of the coins] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 edition * > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka vazan > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja vale > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / Nariyal > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically devised upaya. > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna Ashant ji & > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik bhavanon ki gatha* " > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. Krishna Ashant ji > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be 8 in value > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or 10 or > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya* > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember is that this > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th and > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8 > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is not > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in. > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would not > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It would > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the mind ?* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th house > > > > > > > > and the 11th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to * > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based* > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be completely > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of Shani. > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > <kulbirbance@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib, > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully explained rahu 11 > > > > > remedy in his book but your question has posed a new > question > > for > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe khadkte hue or > > containing > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts containing water because > > water is > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun ji has to say in > > this > > > > > regard. indeed very logical question has been put forward by > > your > > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy suggested for each > house > > > > > except > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both these houses the > remedy > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been advised to flow > into a > > > > > river. > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 coconuts, or 8 pieces > of > > > > > ranga. > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces. > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in flowing water for > > Rahu in > > > > > the > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of throwing 8 pieces for > > rahu in > > > > > the > > > > > > 11th. > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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