Blue flowers and blue glass balls / Rastogi ji

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Repected Rastogi ji

 

Yes, we make every effort to explain the concepts and the rationale

in detail. One of the reasons is that the messages posted in the

group are being used as a teaching material by some astrology

institutions.

 

Secondly, it helps those who visit the group to find some thing they

can download and save for future reference.

 

Thirdly, our motto to share every thing we know with every one else,

not to hide any information. We are not a group of professionals; we

have no secrets to pass on to our sons, or to make money from.

 

And finally, to let the world know that the Lal Kitab is not a book

of ‘totkas’; it is a precious book of astrology based on the

principles of vedic astrology. Every thing said in the book is

rational and based on logic. This is the only book on astrology

which provides ‘samadhan’ of various problems in life; this is one

book which seeks a harmonious existence with nature and the society

around. It inculcates respect for Nature and the social norms for a

peaceful and rich life.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " roopak.rastogi "

<roopak.rastogi wrote:

>

> Sir kulbir ji and varun ji,

>

> It is a pleasure reading answers given in the group. The answers

are

> like text book lessons into astrology. These answers are a big

help

> for persons like me who are at a learning stage. Sir, we thank you

> for sharing your knowledge with every one.

>

> Very respectfully,

>

> Roopak

>

>

>

, " kulbir bance "

> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >

> > Varun ji,

> >

> > thanks for the details regarding chaurasta and budh ke shay in

> > case of sun+saturn in 6th house.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > kulbirbance

> >

> >

> > On 4/28/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Gill Saheb,

> > >

> > > Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already explained :

> > >

> > > The item of upaya in both the cases is the same i.e. blue

> flowers or

> > > blue glass balls. The time of upaya suggested is also the

same.

> But

> > > it does not mean that the upaya are also the same. These are

two

> > > entirely different upaya with entirely different purposes.

> > >

> > > In the first case of Venus + Rahu , the blue flower is advised

> to be

> > > buried " aurat ke hathon ya khud neela phool bawaqt sham mitti

> mein

> > > dabate jaane se madad hoti rahegi " [ 1952 ed; page 870 ; line

6]

> > >

> > > This means that either the jatak himself or his wife can do

this

> > > upaya. In both the cases it is the Rahu whose effect for the

> year is

> > > being supressed by burying the karak object of rahu [ blue ]

> through

> > > the hands of mercury [ mitra budh ke hathon saunp kar rahu ke

> > > prabhav ko dabaya gaya hai].

> > >

> > > This upaya has been explained earlier and if you look the

> archives

> > > you will find further details of this upaya and the logic

behind

> it.

> > >

> > > In the second case of Sun + Saturn in the 6th house, of course

> the

> > > item of the upaya is the same, and the process also is the

same;

> > > namely rahu ko uske mitra budh ke hathon saunpa gaya hai.

> > >

> > > Kulbir ji has already explained that Sun + Saturn forms a

> masnuyee

> > > rahu.

> > >

> > > But in this case the blue flower is advised to be buried at a

> > > chaurasta [ cross-roads] ; a specific place has been

designated.

> > > Chaurasta is considered the 2nd house / temple /dharma sthan

> > > according to the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Now you notice the difference. In the first case the flower

was

> just

> > > to be buried [ most probably in a barren place : our

> > > interpretation], thus neutralizing its impact for that year.

But

> in

> > > the second case a specific place has been mentioned to bury the

> > > flower.

> > > " abadi se bahar jahan koi waham na kare chauraste mein bawaqt

> pakki

> > > sham budh ki ashiya maslan phool ya neele rang ke kanch ke moti

> > > dabana madadgar hoga " [ 1952 ed; page 819 line # 3 ]

> > >

> > > Now why this changed form of the upaya ? Why it has been

advised

> to

> > > bury in chaurasta? The book has added one more dimension to the

> > > upaya ' budh ki ashiya " . There is no mention of 'budh ki

ashiya'

> in

> > > the first case of Venus + rahu.

> > >

> > > To our mind it is because for the Sun + Saturn in the 6th the

> book

> > > says :

> > >

> > > " halat mandi budh hardam manda, bhala Chandra na rahata ho "

> > > " chalte seedhe shani rasta bhoola, asar shakki sab deta ho " [

> > > 1952 / page 818 ]

> > > And that is the reason. The upaya takes care of both : a

> > > possible 'budh' and the masnuyee rahu [already explained by

> Kulbir

> > > bhai] by establishing them in the 2nd house / temple/dharma

> sthan.

> > >

> > > Through this upaya the masnuyee rahu and a possible malefic

> mercury

> > > both have been sent to ' ishwar ki sharan' assuming that now

they

> > > will not create mischief. Therefore the effect has not been

> > > suppressed [ destroyed ] like in the first case, instead an

> effort

> > > is made to change the nature of the planets.

> > >

> > > Now the question arises why not suppress or destroy the effect

> > > altogether as was in the previous case?

> > >

> > > Since the upaya is done for planets placed in the 6th house

where

> > > both the mercury and Rahu are considered beneficial. If the

> effect

> > > is suppressed or destroyed then even the beneficial effect of

> > > mercury and rahu will get destroyed. Therefore the upaya is

just

> to

> > > make sure that both these planets do not create any mischief.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " kulbir bance "

> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > gill sahib,

> > > >

> > > > this topic has already been discussed in detail, it is not

rahu

> > > > alone but rahu plus mercury, flowers and glass balls stand

for

> > > budh and blue colour for rahu. secondly artificial rahu is

> formed by

> > > sun + saturn combined .

> > > >

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:55 AM, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Respected sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > For Venus + Rahu the book suggests that blue flowers or

glass

> > > balls [

> > > > > kancha ] be buried during the pakki sham. Here it is quite

> > > > > understandable that the rahu is being destroyed . But the

> same

> > > upaya

> > > > > is also suggested for Sun + Saturn in the 6th house. Could

> you

> > > please

> > > > > explain the reason for that?

> > > > >

> > > > > Faithfully,

> > > > >

> > > > > HS Gill

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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