Blue flowers and blue glass balls / Varun ji & Kulbir ji

[Guest guest]

Sirs,

 

Thank you very much for explaining the concept so beautifully and in

such great detail.

 

Thanking you both once again,

 

With great respect,

 

HS Gill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

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> Respected Gill Saheb,

>

> Adding on to what Kulbir bhai has already explained :

>

> The item of upaya in both the cases is the same i.e. blue flowers

or

> blue glass balls. The time of upaya suggested is also the same.

But

> it does not mean that the upaya are also the same. These are two

> entirely different upaya with entirely different purposes.

>

> In the first case of Venus + Rahu , the blue flower is advised to

be

> buried “ aurat ke hathon ya khud neela phool bawaqt sham mitti

mein

> dabate jaane se madad hoti rahegi†[ 1952 ed; page 870 ; line 6]

>

> This means that either the jatak himself or his wife can do this

> upaya. In both the cases it is the Rahu whose effect for the year

is

> being supressed by burying the karak object of rahu [ blue ]

through

> the hands of mercury [ mitra budh ke hathon saunp kar rahu ke

> prabhav ko dabaya gaya hai].

>

> This upaya has been explained earlier and if you look the archives

> you will find further details of this upaya and the logic behind

it.

>

> In the second case of Sun + Saturn in the 6th house, of course the

> item of the upaya is the same, and the process also is the same;

> namely rahu ko uske mitra budh ke hathon saunpa gaya hai.

>

> Kulbir ji has already explained that Sun + Saturn forms a

masnuyee

> rahu.

>

> But in this case the blue flower is advised to be buried at a

> chaurasta [ cross-roads] ; a specific place has been designated.

> Chaurasta is considered the 2nd house / temple /dharma sthan

> according to the Lal Kitab.

>

> Now you notice the difference. In the first case the flower was

just

> to be buried [ most probably in a barren place : our

> interpretation], thus neutralizing its impact for that year. But

in

> the second case a specific place has been mentioned to bury the

> flower.

> “ abadi se bahar jahan koi waham na kare chauraste mein bawaqt

pakki

> sham budh ki ashiya maslan phool ya neele rang ke kanch ke moti

> dabana madadgar hoga†[ 1952 ed; page 819 line # 3 ]

>

> Now why this changed form of the upaya ? Why it has been advised

to

> bury in chaurasta? The book has added one more dimension to the

> upaya ‘ budh ki ashiyaâ€. There is no mention of ‘budh ki ashiya’

in

> the first case of Venus + rahu.

>

> To our mind it is because for the Sun + Saturn in the 6th the book

> says :

>

> “halat mandi budh hardam manda, bhala Chandra na rahata hoâ€

> “ chalte seedhe shani rasta bhoola, asar shakki sab deta ho†[

> 1952 / page 818 ]

> And that is the reason. The upaya takes care of both : a

> possible ‘budh’ and the masnuyee rahu [already explained by Kulbir

> bhai] by establishing them in the 2nd house / temple/dharma sthan.

>

> Through this upaya the masnuyee rahu and a possible malefic

mercury

> both have been sent to ‘ ishwar ki sharan’ assuming that now they

> will not create mischief. Therefore the effect has not been

> suppressed [ destroyed ] like in the first case, instead an effort

> is made to change the nature of the planets.

>

> Now the question arises why not suppress or destroy the effect

> altogether as was in the previous case?

>

> Since the upaya is done for planets placed in the 6th house where

> both the mercury and Rahu are considered beneficial. If the effect

> is suppressed or destroyed then even the beneficial effect of

> mercury and rahu will get destroyed. Therefore the upaya is just

to

> make sure that both these planets do not create any mischief.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

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, " kulbir bance "

> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >

> > gill sahib,

> >

> > this topic has already been discussed in detail, it is not rahu

> > alone but rahu plus mercury, flowers and glass balls stand for

> budh and blue colour for rahu. secondly artificial rahu is formed

by

> sun + saturn combined .

> >

> > kulbirbance

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> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 10:55 AM, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Respected sirs,

> > >

> > > For Venus + Rahu the book suggests that blue flowers or glass

> balls [

> > > kancha ] be buried during the pakki sham. Here it is quite

> > > understandable that the rahu is being destroyed . But the same

> upaya

> > > is also suggested for Sun + Saturn in the 6th house. Could you

> please

> > > explain the reason for that?

> > >

> > > Faithfully,

> > >

> > > HS Gill

> > >

> > >

> > >

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