Question finally answered / Senior members

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Senior members,

 

 

Shukla ji, has raised a very important question.

firstly we have documentary evidence to suggest that the printers

couldn't decipher the words properly. i.e. the space marked blank in

gutka where budh ke munh ko mangal bud ka teer laga hai was left

vacant.

 

 

second instance is the current one. is the page no 1130 in

continuity, consistency and accordance with page no.206. or is

there a printing mistake on page 206.

 

atleast now the senior members should send in their views. do they

agree that printing mistake could have occured. or

if there is no printing mistake then what is the explanation for

difference in the directions dayien and bayein in the lines printed

on page 206 and 1130.

 

waiting for your response

 

sincerely

 

kulbirbance

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

>

> Respected Delhi Naresh

> Marvelous Job.Heartiest Congrats from me.

> This one is the spirit of a true scholar. aapne ek bojh halkaa kar

diya

> varnaa log yah hee kehtey ki Pt.Lalkitabee aur varun to bekaar

main josh

> dikhaa rahey hain aur ab lalkitab ko hee galat bol rahey hain.

Aapki

> khoj ne saabit kar diyaa ki aap sahi maayno main lalkitab ka kayee

baar

> addhyayan kar chuke hain. aapki maansiktaa sankuchit nahi hai. Aur

> shayad yah bhi saabit ho gayaa ki lalkitab main bhi galatiyaan

hain aur

> unhain jaise ka taisaa manjoori de denaa dishaa-bhraamak hee

hogaa.Mujhe

> aur Varun ji ko Yahi to afsos hai ki jo baar baar kitaab padhne ka

aur

> samajhne ka dum bhartey hain unmain se koyee bhi is vishay par nahi

> bolaa, dosri taraf is bhed ya galati ko uthaane wala aur solve

karne

> wala dono hee professional astrologers hain. Jinki baat ko hazam

karnaa

> hameshaa hee ek mudaa rahaa hai. Khair -- ek baar fir se aapko

badhaayee

> aur salaam.

> Main ab isi discussion ko aage le jaatey huve yah

vichaar

> karne ko boltaa hoon ki -- AB KIS DEFINATION KO AUTHENTIC MAANAA

JAAYE ,

> PAGE NO. 206 YA PAGE NO. 1130, kyonki dono hee to orioginal

hain aur

> dono hee ek saath theek nahi ho saktey.koyee ek defination hee

theek ho

> sakti hai. Jabki abhi tak pehley wali defination par hee vichaar

hotaa

> rahaa hai. Ab to faisla ek tarfaa lenaa hee hogaa.

>

> Meri iltazaa hai ki kam se kam ab to ve log mitthyaa

bhram

> ya abhimaan chhodkar aage aa jaayain aur vastvik taur se addhyayn

kartey

> huve participate karain , aur apne vichaar rakhain. Varnaa bekaar

main

> gaal bajaane se kyaa faayada. Yahaan na to koyee mahaagyaani hai

na hee

> mahaamoorkh hai,hum sabhi researchers hain.

> ANAND -PIDIT kar diyaa aapne AACHARYA UMESH JI.

> With Regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

>

>

> , " Umesh Sharma "

> <mudit982001@> wrote:

> >

> > Res. Varun ji,

> > Sir, See page no 1130 of 1952 Edition

> > " Teve baithey Ek taa Nauvain, daayain dakhila boltey hain,

> > chaltey chaltey 12 se ghar nau aavain, asar baayain par dete

hain "

> > 1. Janamkundli ke anusaar jo grahghar no.1 se nau tak baithey hon

> > vah apna apna parbhav ghar main parvesh hote hue daayain hath ki

aur

> > parkat kiya kartey hain tatha ghar no.12 se 10 tak bethey hue

> > makaanm ke baayaintaraf apna parbhav dikhatain hey.

> > Regards

> > Umesh Sharma

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > > All Lal kitab readers know that this is how pandit ji wrote.

Had

> > > this not been his style of writing then most of the concepts

under

> > > the grammar portion would have been understood by most of us.

> > Giving

> > > my own example, I do not understand even 20% of what is

written in

> > > the grammar portion. Now that can not be because I haven't got

the

> > > brains, it is primarily because the style of writing. At times

it

> > > appears that Pandit ji was writing in a state of trance and

even

> > he

> > > didn't know what he was writing.

> > >

> > > Taking the statement as it appears, we have to decide whether

the

> > > word should be daayen or baayen.

> > >

> > > I think that there is a printing mistake and the word should be

> > > baayen.

> > >

> > > Have a nice day,

> > >

> > > Varun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kulbirbance "

> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji;

> > > >

> > > > the natural question that is acting like a block is that pt

> > > > ji could have simply said; when u enter the house these items

> > will

> > > be

> > > > on the right side and these would be on the left side. why

did he

> > > > explains the items once again while entering and again when

on

> > > exit.

> > > > why did he made it complex.? what was the need for this

approach.

> > > > don't you think it could have been explained very simple

taking

> > > only

> > > > one position into account. i.e either take exit route or

take the

> > > > entry route.

> > > >

> > > > sincerely

> > > >

> > > > kulbirbance.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected members, The question remains unanswered. " Isi

> > tarah

> > > > barah

> > > > > number khane se apane aap ko khana 9 ki taraf aate huye

gine

> > ya

> > > makan

> > > > > mein bahar se aakar dakhil hone lagen to khana # 12 se 12,

11,

> > > 10 ke

> > > > > gharon ke grah daayeen taraf makan ke saboot denge. " In the

> > > above

> > > > > passage how can the planets " daayeen taraf makan ke saboot

> > > > denge. " ? I

> > > > > believe daayeen taraf is a mistake. It should have

> > been 'Baayeen

> > > > taraf'

> > > > > Need your views on this. With regards, Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear kalsi ji,

 

I am not a professional astrologer.

 

If by the term ‘professional astrologer’ you mean practicing

astrologer then I would probably be the most busy practicing

astrologer on the entire internet, with an average of 800 messages

every month in my Lalkitab_Remedies group.

 

Since my entire astrological activity is confined to the net, I

never get an opportunity of visiting homes as an astrologer. So far

I have never needed to verify a janam kundali through a makan

kundali. These days every body comes up with a very accurate birth

data. Since I keep my astrological activities very private, except

for a few close relatives no body even in my colony knows that I

have interest in astrology. I do not want to lose my peace at home.

 

But when I visit my relatives or family friends, I do notice what

is, where is in the house. Unconsciously the mind starts correlating

those items with the ‘makan kundali’ of the Lal Kitab.

 

In one case I noticed a huge brass bowl, good enough for a small kid

to have a bath in, kept in the west section of my friend’s house.

The west section is the 10th house and a brass bowl may not be

desirable there.

 

Out of curiosity I asked him, “How come you have this brass bowl

placed here?â€.

 

“ Oh that†he said “ is based on Fengsui. A Fengsui expert advised

us to place it hereâ€.

 

I had nothing more to say. My friend has tremendous faith on Fengsui

and I have no business to impose my Lal Kitab opinion on him.

 

Sure if he had asked me “ Upadhyay, I have got a brass bowl, a nice

antique piece, where do you think I should put it in the house?â€

 

I would have definitely told him to place it in the North East [ 4th

house ] or the North West [ 2nd house ] or some such suitable place,

depending on his kundali, with a handful of rice in it

 

Even otherwise as a practicing astrologer we keep advising people to

establish one thing or the other using the house system of the makan

kundali as laid down in the Lal Kitab. I must be advising scores of

people every month to establish karak objects of various planets in

their homes, and the basis is always the house system of the Lal

Kitab ‘makan kundali’.

 

I never faced a dilemma of 'dayen' or 'bayen' because I was guided

more by my common sense logic than what the words had to say.

 

God bless you,

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Lalkitabi Ji has raised a crucial query. which statments we shall

treat as

> correct. He further

> emphasized that this is a true outcome of efforts by professionals.

> Now here becomes two platforms amateurs like me,

> varun trivedi, Tyagi Ji, Miglani ji, Nirmal ji and

> proffessionals like Lalkitabi ji, Bhooshan priya Ji, Umesh

> Ji,Yograj Ji, Thakur Ji & Kulbir Ji.

> while reading lalkitab I found important dictum that verification

must be

> applied before interpreting the horoscope.

> Now ball is in the court of professionals.

> You must be applying these rules before interpreting the

horoscopes.

> Therefore there will not be any person more suitable to answer

these

> queries.

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

>

>

On 4/3/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

> >

> > Respected Delhi Naresh

> > Marvelous Job.Heartiest Congrats from me.

> > This one is the spirit of a true scholar. aapne ek bojh halkaa

kar diya

> > varnaa log yah hee kehtey ki Pt.Lalkitabee aur varun to bekaar

main josh

> > dikhaa rahey hain aur ab lalkitab ko hee galat bol rahey hain.

Aapki khoj ne

> > saabit kar diyaa ki aap sahi maayno main lalkitab ka kayee baar

addhyayan

> > kar chuke hain. aapki maansiktaa sankuchit nahi hai. Aur shayad

yah bhi

> > saabit ho gayaa ki lalkitab main bhi galatiyaan hain aur unhain

jaise ka

> > taisaa manjoori de denaa dishaa-bhraamak hee hogaa.Mujhe aur

Varun ji ko

> > Yahi to afsos hai ki jo baar baar kitaab padhne ka aur samajhne

ka dum

> > bhartey hain unmain se koyee bhi is vishay par nahi bolaa, dosri

taraf is

> > bhed ya galati ko uthaane wala aur solve karne wala dono hee

professional

> > astrologers hain. Jinki baat ko hazam karnaa hameshaa hee ek

mudaa rahaa

> > hai. Khair -- ek baar fir se aapko badhaayee aur salaam.

> > Main ab isi discussion ko aage le jaatey huve yah

vichaar

> > karne ko boltaa hoon ki -- *AB KIS DEFINATION KO AUTHENTIC

MAANAA JAAYE ,

> > PAGE NO. 206 YA PAGE NO. 1130, kyonki dono hee to orioginal

hain aur

> > dono hee ek saath theek nahi ho saktey.koyee ek defination hee

theek ho

> > sakti hai. Jabki abhi tak pehley wali defination par hee vichaar

hotaa rahaa

> > hai. Ab to faisla ek tarfaa lenaa hee hogaa.*

> >

> > Meri iltazaa hai ki kam se kam ab to ve log mitthyaa

bhram ya

> > abhimaan chhodkar aage aa jaayain aur vastvik taur se addhyayn

kartey huve

> > participate karain , aur apne vichaar rakhain. Varnaa bekaar

main gaal

> > bajaane se kyaa faayada. Yahaan na to koyee mahaagyaani hai na

hee

> > mahaamoorkh hai,hum sabhi researchers hain.

> > ANAND -PIDIT kar diyaa aapne AACHARYA UMESH JI.

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> >

> >

> > , " Umesh Sharma "

<mudit982001@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Res. Varun ji,

> > > Sir, See page no 1130 of 1952 Edition

> > > " Teve baithey Ek taa Nauvain, daayain dakhila boltey hain,

> > > chaltey chaltey 12 se ghar nau aavain, asar baayain par dete

hain "

> > > 1. Janamkundli ke anusaar jo grahghar no.1 se nau tak baithey

hon

> > > vah apna apna parbhav ghar main parvesh hote hue daayain hath

ki aur

> > > parkat kiya kartey hain tatha ghar no.12 se 10 tak bethey hue

> > > makaanm ke baayaintaraf apna parbhav dikhatain hey.

> > > Regards

> > > Umesh Sharma

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >

> > > > All Lal kitab readers know that this is how pandit ji wrote.

Had

> > > > this not been his style of writing then most of the concepts

under

> > > > the grammar portion would have been understood by most of us.

> > > Giving

> > > > my own example, I do not understand even 20% of what is

written in

> > > > the grammar portion. Now that can not be because I haven't

got the

> > > > brains, it is primarily because the style of writing. At

times it

> > > > appears that Pandit ji was writing in a state of trance and

even

> > > he

> > > > didn't know what he was writing.

> > > >

> > > > Taking the statement as it appears, we have to decide

whether the

> > > > word should be daayen or baayen.

> > > >

> > > > I think that there is a printing mistake and the word should

be

> > > > baayen.

> > > >

> > > > Have a nice day,

> > > >

> > > > Varun

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbirbance "

> > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun ji;

> > > > >

> > > > > the natural question that is acting like a block is that pt

> > > > > ji could have simply said; when u enter the house these

items

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > on the right side and these would be on the left side. why

did he

> > > > > explains the items once again while entering and again

when on

> > > > exit.

> > > > > why did he made it complex.? what was the need for this

approach.

> > > > > don't you think it could have been explained very simple

taking

> > > > only

> > > > > one position into account. i.e either take exit route or

take the

> > > > > entry route.

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely

> > > > >

> > > > > kulbirbance.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected members, The question remains unanswered. " Isi

> > > tarah

> > > > > barah

> > > > > > number khane se apane aap ko khana 9 ki taraf aate huye

gine

> > > ya

> > > > makan

> > > > > > mein bahar se aakar dakhil hone lagen to khana # 12 se

12, 11,

> > > > 10 ke

> > > > > > gharon ke grah daayeen taraf makan ke saboot denge. " In

the

> > > > above

> > > > > > passage how can the planets " daayeen taraf makan ke

saboot

> > > > > denge. " ? I

> > > > > > believe daayeen taraf is a mistake. It should have

> > > been 'Baayeen

> > > > > taraf'

> > > > > > Need your views on this. With regards, Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

[Guest guest]

Reapected Pandit Ji,Exactly what I mean to say was Practisisng Astrologer. The promptness of the your reply shall be taken as lesson for others. I am grateful that you given your valuable time and narrated your experience about the methods of interpretition.

I wish all other may follow the suit. Their experience is valuable for us.Apparantly , it is looking like a printing error, But issue must be noted for verification for others while studying the other books. In my opinion we shall wait for few more time so that people like me may finish their first reading of all the books.

Thanks Pandit JiYoursShiv Dev KalsiOn 4/4/08, < wrote:

 

Dear kalsi ji, I am not a professional astrologer. If by the term 'professional astrologer' you mean practicing astrologer then I would probably be the most busy practicing astrologer on the entire internet, with an average of 800 messages

every month in my Lalkitab_Remedies group. Since my entire astrological activity is confined to the net, I never get an opportunity of visiting homes as an astrologer. So far I have never needed to verify a janam kundali through a makan

kundali. These days every body comes up with a very accurate birth data. Since I keep my astrological activities very private, except for a few close relatives no body even in my colony knows that I have interest in astrology. I do not want to lose my peace at home.

But when I visit my relatives or family friends, I do notice what is, where is in the house. Unconsciously the mind starts correlating those items with the 'makan kundali' of the Lal Kitab. In one case I noticed a huge brass bowl, good enough for a small kid

to have a bath in, kept in the west section of my friend's house. The west section is the 10th house and a brass bowl may not be desirable there. Out of curiosity I asked him, "How come you have this brass bowl

placed here?". " Oh that" he said " is based on Fengsui. A Fengsui expert advised us to place it here". I had nothing more to say. My friend has tremendous faith on Fengsui and I have no business to impose my Lal Kitab opinion on him.

Sure if he had asked me " Upadhyay, I have got a brass bowl, a nice antique piece, where do you think I should put it in the house?" I would have definitely told him to place it in the North East [ 4th

house ] or the North West [ 2nd house ] or some such suitable place, depending on his kundali, with a handful of rice in it Even otherwise as a practicing astrologer we keep advising people to establish one thing or the other using the house system of the makan

kundali as laid down in the Lal Kitab. I must be advising scores of people every month to establish karak objects of various planets in their homes, and the basis is always the house system of the Lal Kitab 'makan kundali'.

I never faced a dilemma of 'dayen' or 'bayen' because I was guided more by my common sense logic than what the words had to say. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > Lalkitabi Ji has raised a crucial query. which statments we shall treat as > correct. He further > emphasized that this is a true outcome of efforts by professionals.

> Now here becomes two platforms amateurs like me, > varun trivedi, Tyagi Ji, Miglani ji, Nirmal ji and > proffessionals like Lalkitabi ji, Bhooshan priya Ji, Umesh > Ji,Yograj Ji, Thakur Ji & Kulbir Ji.

> while reading lalkitab I found important dictum that verification must be > applied before interpreting the horoscope. > Now ball is in the court of professionals. > You must be applying these rules before interpreting the

horoscopes. > Therefore there will not be any person more suitable to answer these > queries. > > > Regards > > > > > > >

> > > > > On 4/3/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: > > > > Respected Delhi Naresh > > Marvelous Job.Heartiest Congrats from me. > > This one is the spirit of a true scholar. aapne ek bojh halkaa

kar diya > > varnaa log yah hee kehtey ki Pt.Lalkitabee aur varun to bekaar main josh > > dikhaa rahey hain aur ab lalkitab ko hee galat bol rahey hain. Aapki khoj ne > > saabit kar diyaa ki aap sahi maayno main lalkitab ka kayee baar

addhyayan > > kar chuke hain. aapki maansiktaa sankuchit nahi hai. Aur shayad yah bhi > > saabit ho gayaa ki lalkitab main bhi galatiyaan hain aur unhain jaise ka > > taisaa manjoori de denaa dishaa-bhraamak hee hogaa.Mujhe aur

Varun ji ko > > Yahi to afsos hai ki jo baar baar kitaab padhne ka aur samajhne ka dum > > bhartey hain unmain se koyee bhi is vishay par nahi bolaa, dosri taraf is > > bhed ya galati ko uthaane wala aur solve karne wala dono hee

professional > > astrologers hain. Jinki baat ko hazam karnaa hameshaa hee ek mudaa rahaa > > hai. Khair -- ek baar fir se aapko badhaayee aur salaam. > > Main ab isi discussion ko aage le jaatey huve yah

vichaar > > karne ko boltaa hoon ki -- *AB KIS DEFINATION KO AUTHENTIC MAANAA JAAYE , > > PAGE NO. 206 YA PAGE NO. 1130, kyonki dono hee to orioginal hain aur > > dono hee ek saath theek nahi ho saktey.koyee ek defination hee

theek ho > > sakti hai. Jabki abhi tak pehley wali defination par hee vichaar hotaa rahaa > > hai. Ab to faisla ek tarfaa lenaa hee hogaa.* > > > > Meri iltazaa hai ki kam se kam ab to ve log mitthyaa

bhram ya > > abhimaan chhodkar aage aa jaayain aur vastvik taur se addhyayn kartey huve > > participate karain , aur apne vichaar rakhain. Varnaa bekaar main gaal > > bajaane se kyaa faayada. Yahaan na to koyee mahaagyaani hai na

hee > > mahaamoorkh hai,hum sabhi researchers hain. > > ANAND -PIDIT kar diyaa aapne AACHARYA UMESH JI. > > With Regards > > Pt.Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > >

> > > > , " Umesh Sharma "

<mudit982001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Res. Varun ji, > > > Sir, See page no 1130 of 1952 Edition > > > " Teve baithey Ek taa Nauvain, daayain dakhila boltey hain,

> > > chaltey chaltey 12 se ghar nau aavain, asar baayain par dete hain " > > > 1. Janamkundli ke anusaar jo grahghar no.1 se nau tak baithey hon > > > vah apna apna parbhav ghar main parvesh hote hue daayain hath

ki aur > > > parkat kiya kartey hain tatha ghar no.12 se 10 tak bethey hue > > > makaanm ke baayaintaraf apna parbhav dikhatain hey. > > > Regards > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > All Lal kitab readers know that this is how pandit ji wrote. Had

> > > > this not been his style of writing then most of the concepts under > > > > the grammar portion would have been understood by most of us. > > > Giving > > > > my own example, I do not understand even 20% of what is

written in > > > > the grammar portion. Now that can not be because I haven't got the > > > > brains, it is primarily because the style of writing. At times it > > > > appears that Pandit ji was writing in a state of trance and

even > > > he > > > > didn't know what he was writing. > > > > > > > > Taking the statement as it appears, we have to decide whether the > > > > word should be daayen or baayen.

> > > > > > > > I think that there is a printing mistake and the word should be > > > > baayen. > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, > > > >

> > > > Varun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > , " kulbirbance "

> > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > > > > > > > > the natural question that is acting like a block is that pt

> > > > > ji could have simply said; when u enter the house these items > > > will > > > > be > > > > > on the right side and these would be on the left side. why

did he > > > > > explains the items once again while entering and again when on > > > > exit. > > > > > why did he made it complex.? what was the need for this

approach. > > > > > don't you think it could have been explained very simple taking > > > > only > > > > > one position into account. i.e either take exit route or

take the > > > > > entry route. > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance. > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, The question remains unanswered. " Isi > > > tarah > > > > > barah

> > > > > > number khane se apane aap ko khana 9 ki taraf aate huye gine > > > ya > > > > makan > > > > > > mein bahar se aakar dakhil hone lagen to khana # 12 se

12, 11, > > > > 10 ke > > > > > > gharon ke grah daayeen taraf makan ke saboot denge. " In the > > > > above > > > > > > passage how can the planets " daayeen taraf makan ke

saboot > > > > > denge. " ? I > > > > > > believe daayeen taraf is a mistake. It should have > > > been 'Baayeen > > > > > taraf' > > > > > > Need your views on this. With regards, Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi, > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology) >

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)