Makkan kundali / Sahan - aangan - / Iqbal ji

[Guest guest]

Respected Iqbal ji,

 

 

In my opinion it is the dwelling, where the native lives, be it a

flat or a basement which should be the base for verification of the

horoscope through a makan kundali.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, punjabilovebug wrote:

>

> Dear Respected Varun Ji and Respected Kulbir Ji,

>

> How would you consider the situation of those living in flats?

What about those who live in basements or dwellings that are

underground? Which logic should take first precedence in those cases?

>

> Iqbal

> USA

>

>

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

>

> " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd

>

> Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:13:44

>

> LK discussion group Re: Makkan kundali / Sahan -

aangan - Kulbir ji

>

>

> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>

> To my mind it will be against the principles of vaastu to take

into

> account the whole building instead of the flat or the whole area

> instead of the jhuggi.

> For the makan kundali we should consider the dwelling a Jatak

lives

> in and not the entire area.

>

> Have a nice day,

>

> Varun

>

> <%

40> @, " kulbirbance "

> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev ; on the contrary if we assume that not the individual

> unit

> > but the whole building is taken for preperation of a makkan

> kundali;

> > where a person has one jhuggi the whole area where jhuggis are

> > subdivided into major areas is taken as one unit. then we apply

> the

> > janam kundali shays to this makkan kundali; there is very much

> > possibility of khanna no.9 falling outside his flat, jhuggi or

> room.

> > then the concept of left and right will assume altogether

aspect.

> > sincerely

> > kulbirbance

> >

> > <%

40> @, " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > > Answering to Umesh ji I had quoted the book verbetim. That is

> what

> > > Pandit ji has said. Those words are not mine.

> > >

> > > As about the sun light, once again I quote the book Pandit ji

> > while

> > > talking about the Sun in the 9th house says " makan ke markaz

> mein

> > > khula sahan ya sooraj ki roshni padti hogi " ... it appears

that

> > > pandit ji has taken both the 'sahan' or the place where the

sun

> > > light falls in the center of the house to mean the 9th house.

> > >

> > > If I were to do the durusti of teva through a makan kundali [

> > which

> > > I know wouldn't feel comfortable about ] I will consider the

> flat

> > or

> > > the portion of the house where the Jatak lives as the makan

and

> > not

> > > the whole building.

> > >

> > > Kulbir bhai, there can be so many questions related to the

makan

> > > kundali like what would you do if the family is living in a

> > jhuggi,

> > > just one room. How would you devide it into 12 houses of the

> Janma

> > > Kundali? Where would be a 'sahan' of a single kothari jhuggi?

> and

> > so

> > > on.

> > >

> > > When Pandit ji thought of the Makan kundali he had the

> traditional

> > > village houses in mind which invariably had a 'sahan' in the

> > middle

> > > and rows of kotharis on the sides.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Have a nice day,

> > >

> > > Varun

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <%

40> @, " kulbirbance "

> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gurudev;

> > > >

> > > > makan ke darmiyan khali jagah means covered or uncovered

> > > > place, budh 9 can be taken if the air brahspat is trapped.

if

> it

> > is

> > > > open i.e. sunlight or air is coming it denotes sun,

brahspat

> and

> > so

> > > > on;- (ref-Makkan Ki kismaen). if this area is lying vacant

> but

> > > > covered then it is budh 9. but then darkness will be there

and

> > it

> > > can

> > > > very much fall in the category of saturn. or budh 9 can be

> > applied

> > > to

> > > > the area which is open but the air flow is restricted.

> > > >

> > > > secondly does this darmiyan means the exact centre of the

> house(

> > > > Boundary walls). as vastu revolved around temples palaces

and

> > forts

> > > > in ancient times, these buildings had a central point i

don't

> > know

> > > > what----- stone is it called in english may be pivotal

stone

> but

> > it

> > > > meant buniyaad and khanna no 9 is also buniyaad.

> > > >

> > > > another vital question that rises here is that in flat

system

> > there

> > > > are several occupants of a building. does the makan kundali

> > apply

> > > to

> > > > the individual unit or the whole building.

> > > >

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%

40> @, " varun_trvd "

> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadarneeya Sharma ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > " budh ki khali jagah [makan ke darmiyan khali jagah

samajh

> > kar] "

> > > > > khana # 9 maan len.

> > > > >

> > > > > guru ji makan kundali aur Janma kundali ki bahas mein bhi

> aap

> > ka

> > > > > yogdaan chahooga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > <%

40> @, " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Res. Gurus

> > > > > > I live in a flat which has no Aangan or Sahan than which

> > > > > place/room

> > > > > > count as a 9th house? It's a thought.

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > > <%

40> @, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been expressing my views, that should not be

> > construed

> > > > > that

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am trying to impose my views. We can not impose our

> views

> > > even

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > our own children let alone others. Expressing views

is

> not

> > > > > > imposing

> > > > > > > views. In the group every body is free to accept an

> > opinion

> > > or

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > reject it. I will be the last person to impose my

views

> on

> > > > > others.

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > am extremely sorry if my expressing the views has

given

> the

> > > > > > > ipression that I am imposing them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As for the 'membership will be terminated', Kulbir

bhai

> > for

> > > any

> > > > > > > discussion group to survive it is necessary that

there

> is a

> > > > > > counter-

> > > > > > > opinion. Unless there are two different views, what

> could

> > any

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > argue on? And that is why we need you all the more.

We

> > need

> > > you

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > keep us on alert. We know that one slip and Kulbir

bhai

> > will

> > > > > catch

> > > > > > > me by the neck.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You do not know how valuable you are for me and the

> group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Have a nice day,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

<%40>

@, " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalkitabee ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > no i am sorry to say varun ji is imposing his

views;

> > untill

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > whole para is explained in totality; partial ched

chad

> > ki

> > > kya

> > > > > tuk

> > > > > > > > banti hai; i know my membership in this group is

going

> > to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > terminated in a couple of days but i can't stop

> > objecting

> > > to

> > > > > > > partial

> > > > > > > > ched chad. kya karun main apni aadat se majboor aur

> group

> > > > > > > moderators

> > > > > > > > apni majboori se.

> > > > > > > > apki aur varun ne jo kaam kiya hai aur mere man me

jo

> > aapki

> > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > hai; wah apni jagah par iska matlab yeh nahin ki

main

> > aapki

> > > > > galat

> > > > > > > > baat na katoon.

> > > > > > > > nothing personal purely business.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > respectfully

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> <%

40> @, " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji

> > > > > > > > > I think varun ji has expressed his views & doubt

> > well

> > > in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > regard.All of us are discussing here so we shud

wait

> > > > > otherwise

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > have to accept it as we have accepted the

varshfal.

> No

> > > > other

> > > > > > way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%

40> @, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ISI TARAH AGAR 12 NO. KHAANE SE APNE AAPKO

KHANA

> > NO. 9

> > > > KI

> > > > > > > TARAF

> > > > > > > > > AATEY

> > > > > > > > > > HUVE GINE YA MAKAAN MAIN BAAHAR SE AAKAR

DAAKHIL

> > HONE

> > > > > > LAGAIN

> > > > > > > TO

> > > > > > > > > KHANA

> > > > > > > > > > NO. 12 SE 12, 11 10 KE GHARON KE GRAH --DAAYEN

> > (right)

> > > > > TARAF

> > > > > > > > > MAKAAN KE

> > > > > > > > > > --SABOOT DENGEY.........

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In this text which appears on page 206 of the

1952

> > urdu

> > > > > > edition

> > > > > > > > > and also

> > > > > > > > > > on page 347 or the 1942 edition I suspect [ I

said

> > > suspect

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > I do

> > > > > > > > > > not have a proof yet ] that there is a mistake.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The words marked red ' daayen' should

> read 'baayen' [

> > > > > > left ].

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > correct word is 'baayen' then the entire

question

> is

> > > over.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even if I do not get any proof, till then

> logically

> > my

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > accept the text with the word 'daayen' and I

will

> > mark

> > > the

> > > > > > > > passage

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > 'unresolved'.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Therefore I have stopped thinking about it till

> such

> > > time

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > some one

> > > > > > > > > > explains the logic of the word daayen to me or

I

> find

> > > > some

> > > > > > > proof

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > there is a mistake in the original book.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varun

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%

40> @, " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > gurudev

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > zara dekho aap kya likh rahe ho khanna no 1se

9

> ko

> > > jate

> > > > > aap

> > > > > > > > > > > ghar ke bhittar reach kar rahe ho kitab kahti

> hai

> > 1

> > > se

> > > > 9

> > > > > > jate

> > > > > > > > > waqt

> > > > > > > > > > > bahar jana mana hai. tell me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > > aap bhitar to 1 se 9 ke raaste se hi aaye na

to

> > baat

> > > > > nahin

> > > > > > > bani

> > > > > > > > > > > kyonki likha hai 1 se chalkar 9 vein ko

jayein

> ya

> > > makan

> > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > bahar

> > > > > > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > > > > niklein. aur 12 se 9 ko ghar ke bhittar aana

> mana

> > > hai.

> > > > > ab

> > > > > > > batao

> > > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > aur 9 ik direction me hue ya nahin par pehla

> swaal

> > > yeh

> > > > > ki

> > > > > > 1

> > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > > > > chalte aap bahar kaise ja rahe ho. isi liye

maine

> > > > khanna

> > > > > > no9

> > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > position ke bare poocha tha. uparlikhat se to

> > khanna

> > > no

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > > sahan

> > > > > > > > > > > bilkul nahin lagta kyonki aap sahan se bahar

> > darwaze

> > > > par

> > > > > ja

> > > > > > > > rahe

> > > > > > > > > ho.

> > > > > > > > > > > itni choti baat ke liye aapko pareshan nahin

> karta.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%

40> @, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > After reaching the aangan [ house # 9 ] I

will

> > have

> > > > to

> > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > around

> > > > > > > > > > > > and walk back to the gate I entered from.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Varun

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

40> @, " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > varun ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > agar khanna no 9 makan ka sahan ya aangan

> hoga

> > to

> > > > > > khanna

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 se 9 ko jakar aap makan se bahar kaise

> nikal

> > > > sakte

> > > > > > hain

> > > > > > > > > please

> > > > > > > > > > > > > give it a thought.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > <%

40> @, " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > khana # 9 kisi bhi makan ka sahan ya

> aangan

> > > hoga.

> > > > > > > Purane

> > > > > > > > > zamane

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabhi makano mein aagan ghar ke beech

mein

> > hota

> > > > > tha.

> > > > > > > > aagan

> > > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > charon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarf kothari ya kamare or varandah hota

> tha.

> > > Bath

> > > > > > room

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > ghar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi hota tha lekin latrine ghar ke bahar

> hoti

> > > thi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuch zamidar gharon mein do [ two ]

aangan

> > hote

> > > > > the,

> > > > > > ek

> > > > > > > > > mardana

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ek zanana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aksar sabhi gharon ka ek sa hi naqsha

hota

> > tha,

> > > > > > bahar

> > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > tarf

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > baithak / chaupal, kua , ghori bandhne

ki

> > > jagah,

> > > > > phir

> > > > > > > > andar

> > > > > > > > > > > > sahan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jiske charon taraf kamare.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a nice day,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%

40> @, " kulbir

> > > > > > > > bance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji agar, makkan kundali ki baat

> > karein

> > > to

> > > > > > > khanna

> > > > > > > > > no 9

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hamesha makkan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ka centre hoga ya koi aur jagah bhi

ho

> > sakti

> > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/1/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we are talking about the khana

as

> > marked

> > > > in

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > Makan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundali,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how can khana # 3 & 8 be on the

right

> > while

> > > > > > > > entering ?

> > > > > > > > > > > These

> > > > > > > > > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses represent south. These two

> house

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we enter the house from the west

gate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes in the Janma Kundali if we

enter

> > from

> > > the

> > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > house [

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna ]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and go upto the 9th in a zodiac

> sequence

> > > then

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 can be on the right.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore let's be clear which

> > directions

> > > are

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > talking

> > > > > > > > > > > > about?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Directions in a Makan Kundali or the

> > > > > directions

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > Janma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundali ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > <%

40> @<%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umesh ji seems right, the

directions

> > > change

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > position

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observer changes. when we enter

the

> > place

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > side

> > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right side chages to left when we

> move

> > > out.

> > > > > > > > > therefore it

> > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely concluded that when we

enter

> the

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > items

> > > > > > > > > via

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posited representing house no 1

to 8

> > are

> > > on

> > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > side,

> > > > > > > > > > > 10-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 12

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left side and house no.9 is the

> > referance

> > > > > > point.

> > > > > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > directions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a mirror image i think it is

> > called

> > > > > > lateral

> > > > > > > > > > > inversion;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person going in turns his back

> towards

> > > the

> > > > > > > > house.i.e

> > > > > > > > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction to the referance point

> i.e.

> > > house

> > > > > > no9.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%

40> @<%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mudit982001@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my view this statement has

Two

> > > > different

> > > > > > > > terms.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. KUNDALI KE KHANA NO. 1 SE

> CHALKAR

> > > AGAR

> > > > > > > NAUVAIN

> > > > > > > > > KO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAYAIN YA MAKAAN SE BAAHAR KO

> > NIKALAIN

> > > TO

> > > > > JIS

> > > > > > > > > TARAF -

> > > > > > > > > > > > DAYAAN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (right)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HAATH HOGAA- US TARAF MAKAAN KE

> > TAMAAM

> > > > > GRAH

> > > > > > JO

> > > > > > > > > KHANA

> > > > > > > > > > > NO.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > SE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TAK HO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNA SABOOT DENGEY.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. ISI TARAH AGAR 12 NO. KHAANE

SE

> > APNE

> > > > > AAPKO

> > > > > > > > KHANA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO. 9 KI TARAF AATEY HUVE

GINE YA

> > > > MAKAAN

> > > > > > MAIN

> > > > > > > > > BAAHAR

> > > > > > > > > > > SE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AAKAR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DAAKHIL

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HONE LAGAIN TO KHANA NO. 12

SE

> 12,

> > 11

> > > > 10

> > > > > KE

> > > > > > > > > GHARON KE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRAH --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DAAYEN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (right) TARAF MAKAAN KE --

SABOOT

> > > DENGEY.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. In first term the person go

out

> > side

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. In 2nd term the persaon come

in

> > side

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > side.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both are opposite directins.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%

40> @<%

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Yograj ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aapka lalkitab ke original 5

> > version

> > > > > bina

> > > > > > > kisi

> > > > > > > > > > > swarth

> > > > > > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > logo

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baantnaa samaaj ke liye ek

aisa

> > > yogdaan

> > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > jise

> > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > aane

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samay

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main kabhi bhi nahi bhulaayaa

ja

> > > > saktaa.

> > > > > > > Aapne

> > > > > > > > > ise is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > roop

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarah se surakshit kiyaa hai,

> vah

> > > appki

> > > > > > > > udaartaa

> > > > > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > parichayak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hai.It

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a great work of great soul

> like

> > u.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lekin Yograj ji, in 5 books

ke

> baad

> > > > > aglaa

> > > > > > > daur

> > > > > > > > > jo ab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shuru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hua

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > iski kalpana kuchh logon ke

man

> > main

> > > > aaj

> > > > > > se 3

> > > > > > > > > varsh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pehley

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thi aur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uske liye kuchh prayaas kiye

> gaye,

> > > > > jinhain

> > > > > > > > kuchh

> > > > > > > > > > > logon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ne

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Urdu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindi/Dalda ka khitaab dekar

> > > darkinaar

> > > > > kar

> > > > > > > > diyaa

> > > > > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > khud

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tarah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expose kiyaa ki shayad pujyaa

> > pandit

> > > ji

> > > > > ki

> > > > > > > Rooh

> > > > > > > > > > > unhain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samjhaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kar jaa rahi hai aur unki

baat

> ko

> > > hooob-

> > > > > hoo

> > > > > > > > maan

> > > > > > > > > > > liyaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jaye.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki lines main ooper

neechey ,aage

> > > > peechey

> > > > > > > > > ghumaakar

> > > > > > > > > > > ve

> > > > > > > > > > > > > log

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kyaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karnaa chahtey they samajh

nahi

> > > aayaa,

> > > > > aaj

> > > > > > > aap

> > > > > > > > > khud

> > > > > > > > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dekho

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aap

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > urdu bahut badhia jaantey

hain

> fir

> > > bhi

> > > > > > galati

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > ho

> > > > > > > > > > > hi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jaati

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arre

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhai insaan galatiyon ka

putlaa

> > > > > hai,Jaise

> > > > > > aap

> > > > > > > > > galati

> > > > > > > > > > > > kar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saktey

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hain

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhi kar saktey hain, aaj

groups

> > main

> > > > hum

> > > > > > > sabhi

> > > > > > > > > isliye

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ikatthey

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hotey

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hain taaki hum log galatiyon

aur

> > > > > > bhrantoyon

> > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > alag

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hatkar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gyaan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doosrey ke jariye prapt kar

> sakain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalo chhodo in baaton ko aur

> jaraa

> > > > > > Original

> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > page no. 206 par " GRAH

KUNDALI KI

> > > > MAKAAN

> > > > > KE

> > > > > > > > > HISAB SE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > DURUSTI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > par

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nazar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daalo,likhaa hai ki ---

KUNDALI

> KE

> > > KHANA

> > > > > > NO. 1

> > > > > > > > SE

> > > > > > > > > > > > CHALKAR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AGAR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NAUVAIN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JAYAIN YA MAKAAN SE BAAHAR KO

> > > NIKALAIN

> > > > > TO

> > > > > > JIS

> > > > > > > > > TARAF -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > DAYAAN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (right)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HAATH HOGAA- US TARAF MAKAAN

KE

> > > TAMAAM

> > > > > > GRAH

> > > > > > > JO

> > > > > > > > > KHANA

> > > > > > > > > > > > NO.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > SE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TAK HO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNA SABOOT DENGEY, ISI TARAH

> AGAR

> > 12

> > > > NO.

> > > > > > > > KHAANE

> > > > > > > > > SE

> > > > > > > > > > > > APNE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AAPKO

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KHANA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO. 9 KI TARAF AATEY HUVE

GINE YA

> > > > MAKAAN

> > > > > > MAIN

> > > > > > > > > BAAHAR

> > > > > > > > > > > SE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AAKAR

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DAAKHIL

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HONE LAGAIN TO KHANA NO. 12

SE

> 12,

> > 11

> > > > 10

> > > > > KE

> > > > > > > > > GHARON KE

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRAH --

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DAAYEN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (right) TARAF MAKAAN KE --

SABOOT

> > > DENGEY.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kyaa aisa nahi lag rahaa hai

ki

> > > yahaan

> > > > > par

> > > > > > > bhi

> > > > > > > > > kuchh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contradiction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hai. Dono hee tarah makan ke

> > daayeen

> > > > > taraf

> > > > > > > > > saboot.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mujhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagtaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hai ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yahaan par bhi lalkitab main

> shayd

> > > > > > misprint

> > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > galati

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gunjaish

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hai. Aapkaa kyaa vichaar hai?

> Kyon

> > na

> > > > > hum

> > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > > baaton

> > > > > > > > > > > > par

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dene

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bajaay is muddey par

discussion

> ko

> > > > > continue

> > > > > > > > > karain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Agar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > meraa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayaj hai to is par gaur

kiyaa

> > > jaaaye,

> > > > > agar

> > > > > > > > > najayaz

> > > > > > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uskaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > khulaasa karne ki taqleef

> karain.

> > > Rahee

> > > > > > baat

> > > > > > > > > shikve

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shikayat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki--

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yograaj ji vo to chaltey hee

> > > rahengey,

> > > > > > Koyee

> > > > > > > > > gyaan

> > > > > > > > > > > lene

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liye

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main aayaa ,koyee dene ke

liye,

> > koyee

> > > > > paise

> > > > > > > > > batorne

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > koyee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chele

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ikatthey karney main bhi

> > interested

> > > ho

> > > > > > > saktaaa

> > > > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baaton

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > koyee tharmameter to hai

nahi .

> > Who

> > > is

> > > > > > queen

> > > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > > who is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > maid ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shudnt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be motive all of us.Kyon

group

> main

> > > > > shikvey

> > > > > > > > > shikayat

> > > > > > > > > > > > par

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > de

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahey

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ho.Aur apni taraf se main ek

> baat

> > > saaf

> > > > > > karnaa

> > > > > > > > > chahtaa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hoon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaina dikhane ki baat un logo

ke

> > liye

> > > > > > likhi

> > > > > > > thi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jo ,lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > babat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poochhey gaye sawaal ke jawab

> main

> > > bola

> > > > > > > kartey

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---PROFESSIONALS

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LE UDENGEY -isliye bolnaa

thik

> > nahi.

> > > > aaj

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > group

> > > > > > > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tafseel dene ki koshish ki ja

> rahee

> > > > hai,

> > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mool

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pustak ki bhi galatiyaan

pakdi

> jaa

> > > > rahee

> > > > > > hain

> > > > > > > > aur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professionals

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > khulkar bol rahey hain jahaan

tak

> > > > unhain

> > > > > > > pataa

> > > > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > To

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ve

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > log

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aaj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kis

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gufaa main jaakar baith gaye

> hain.

> > > > Sahee

> > > > > > > maayno

> > > > > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shayad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aaj is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group ke yogdaan se ve bhi

seekh

> > > rahey

> > > > > > hongey

> > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kaise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > padhaa jaye. QAIYDEY KI TARAH

YA

> EK

> > > > > > RESEARCH

> > > > > > > > > ORIENTED

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRANTH

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TARAH.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agar meri baat theek nahi to

un

> > logon

> > > > ko

> > > > > > > yahaan

> > > > > > > > > par

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shirkat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jaroor

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karni

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chahiye.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mere red words ki baabat

> > discussion

> > > ko

> > > > > roop

> > > > > > > > dene

> > > > > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > > > > > kash

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt.lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharaj;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't take anyone's

name;

> how

> > > did

> > > > u

> > > > > > > reach

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is aimed at you. to be very

> > frank i

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > bhatia

> > > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u cut

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my viewpoint; it was all

> started

> > by

> > > > > > bhatia

> > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > foot note and it's

> authenticity.

> > i

> > > am

> > > > > > > sorry i

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > record

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but just check; he comes in

> > various

> > > > > > forums;

> > > > > > > > > tries

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhisham

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pitama but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gets lost whenever any

logical

> > > thing

> > > > > is

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proof of many other things

> about

> > > > > > > > participation

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > derail the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > process of ongoing

discussions

> by

> > > > > > starting

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > controversy;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would you please be kind

> enough

> > to

> > > > let

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards you or in which

manner

> > did

> > > u

> > > > > > > > interpret

> > > > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baundale hoe bande nu

jhunda

> te

> > > paya

> > > > > > kapda

> > > > > > > wi

> > > > > > > > > bhoot

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pret

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagda so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a deep breath and

> reanalyse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/31/08, Yograj Prabhakar

> > > > > > yr_prabhakar@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Varun jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tragedy is not only

what

> > you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > mentioned.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tragedy is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that whoever found

a " Sonth

> Kee

> > > > > Ganth "

> > > > > > > > starts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > himself a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Pansaaree " ,

unfortunately

> we

> > all

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > suffering

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fatal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disease.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are two kinds of

> people

> > in

> > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > Kitab, " Dil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Waley " and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Deemagh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wale "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dil waley has more Josh

than

> > Hosh

> > > > > > whereas

> > > > > > > > > Deemagh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Waley

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hosh but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less Josh. Both are

actually

> > > > > > > complimentary

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other. A

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perfect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blend of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Josh and Hosh is a must

to

> > > achieve

> > > > > > > > anything.

> > > > > > > > > Dil

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Walon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ne

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pundit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee ke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5 Anmol Rattan bataur

> Prashad

> > > dunia

> > > > > > bhar

> > > > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > > baant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sir se

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kitab ka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rinn Utaar diya hai. Ab

iski

> > > Roshni

> > > > > ko

> > > > > > > > duniya

> > > > > > > > > > > bhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phailaney

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zimmewaree " Deemagh

Walon "

> ki

> > bhi

> > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > Agar

> > > > > > > > > aaj

> > > > > > > > > > > Ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lafz

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aur Ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ek

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > par agar debate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ho rahi hai to yaqeen

karna,

> is

> > > > baat

> > > > > > kee

> > > > > > > > > khushi

> > > > > > > > > > > > mujh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zyada

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shayad

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kisi aur ko hogi. It is

not

> > > > > necessary

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point. Every individual

has

> > his

> > > own

> > > > > > way

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > seeing

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raise question mark on

that.

> > Fot

> > > > > some

> > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just " another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book " of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, for many it is

> > > > sacrosanct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > scripture,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whats

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that? How a person looks

at a

> > > > filled

> > > > > > > bottle

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > depends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgment and capacity,

why

> one

> > > > > should

> > > > > > try

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > impose

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyone? We cannot even

force

> > our

> > > > > > thoughts

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kids,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect others to follow

our

> > > > dictates?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about the

> others

> > > but,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > knowing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pundit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use to talk, walk, sit,

wear,

> > > > > behave,

> > > > > > > looks

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > abuse

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significance, if someone

has

> > any

> > > > > > > > objection -

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong in it if someone

> produce

> > > some

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > (like

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bejod

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chhalla) in reference to

the

> > > words

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > veterans? A

> > > > > > > > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping Sponge was

discussed

> > in

> > > the

> > > > > > > forum,

> > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nowhere

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the book

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as for how many days this

> > sponge

> > > is

> > > > > > > > supposed

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varshphal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what to do with this

> > > > afterwards.

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > prefer

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > speak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that as I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knew that a demand

> of " Forensic

> > > > > > analysis "

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > arise

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > views

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since the same was

conveyed

> by

> > a

> > > > non-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > professional " VayoVridh "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > premi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as running from the

> > > > > > participation

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > concerned,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assure you that Peeth

Dikha

> Kar

> > > > Bhag

> > > > > > > jaana

> > > > > > > > > meri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fitrat

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nahi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Browse the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achieve, and see how many

> > mails

> > > with

> > > > > > > > Colorful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Headings

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I always took it as a

> > > > > compliment.

> > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gauche

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > way

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degrade

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bothered me. I continued

to

> > > > > > participate

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > debates

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little or no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. But I hate to

> poke

> > my

> > > > > nose

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > controversial

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the issues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about. If that is called a

> > > > weakness -

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > accept it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gleefully.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also read starements

> > > > > about " showing

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > mirror "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and " Nishkasit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tha " etc. I always treat

you

> > as

> > > the

> > > > > > > shadow

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Prof.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Upadhyaye

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who taught

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me the great lesson

> > of " Forgive

> > > and

> > > > > > > > Forget " ,

> > > > > > > > > so I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (but not at all shocked)

> with

> > > this

> > > > > > > > > retaliatory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attitude.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will agree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with me that all chickens

> look

> > > gray

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > dark.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee, whos Lal

Kitab

> > > business

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > suffer?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afraid of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shudhi-Karan? Whos Chele

> Chapte

> > > > will

> > > > > > ran

> > > > > > > > > away? To

> > > > > > > > > > > > > whom

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > refering? I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am like a " Nanga Putt

Choran

> > Vich

> > > > > > > > > Khedey " , " Na

> > > > > > > > > > > aqal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > naa

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maut " - so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing to loose. Neither

> > > astrology

> > > > > is

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > bread &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > butter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nor I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chela-Chapta. But yes,

like

> > you,

> > > I

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > faith in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scripture and no one can

ever

> > > > > deprived

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kulbir bance

kulbirbance@*

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev; remember the

last

> > line

> > > of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > MADAD

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MALIK

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEGA,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEKI KHUD KARTE RAHO.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baki KUCH TO MAJBURIYAN

RAHIN

> > > > HONGI;

> > > > > > > YOUNH

> > > > > > > > > HI KOI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BEWAFA

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NAHIN

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HOTA,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pehli majboori; logon ko

yeh

> > shaq

> > > > > > paida

> > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > ho

> > > > > > > > > > > jai

> > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mujhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > samajh nahin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > second; why to comment

i.e.

> > > accept,

> > > > > > deny

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > improve

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > upon a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves couldn't point

> out.

> > > bhai

> > > > > > hamse

> > > > > > > > > badhkar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kaun;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please try to understand

> their

> > > > > > difficulty

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apprehensions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. their lalkitab

commerce

> will

> > > > > suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. it is difficult to

acept

> > that

> > > > one

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > associated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for years; but all gone

> waste;

> > > all

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > sudden

> > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bolt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was wrong; how to undo

that.

> > its

> > > > > hard

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > unless

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antarman ka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shudikaran ho gaya jai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. thier goodwill and

chele

> > > chapte/

> > > > > > > > following

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > run

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so it is convenient to

turn

> a

> > > blind

> > > > > > eye.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jab pt ji ne shuru me hi

> likh

> > > diya

> > > > > > > DUNIYAVI

> > > > > > > > > HISAB

> > > > > > > > > > > > > KITAB

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HAI ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KOI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DAWA-E-KHUDAI NAHIN. then

> > what's

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > reviewing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rome was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not built in a day, we

all

> can

> > > > become

> > > > > > > > > masters but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > patience

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integrity is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a vital ingredient.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/29/08, varun_trvd

> > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the tragedy;

raise

> a

> > > > > > > fundamental

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those who claim to have

> > studied

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decades go

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > silent.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I had raised a

> peripheral

> > > > > question

> > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half a dozen people

> > > participating

> > > > > in

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > > agitated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > debate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to the archives and

you

> > will

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > long

> > > > > > > > > > > debates

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether the steel ring

> > should

> > > be

> > > > > > open

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > ends

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > closed, or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether keeping a

square

> > piece

> > > of

> > > > > > > silver

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out the nature of the

> Saturn

> > or

> > > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so on.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or talk about any myth

or a

> > > > legend

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > book,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every body ready with a

> myth

> > of

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > > own.

> > > > > > > > > > > Every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very close to Pandit

ji;

> they

> > > > > would

> > > > > > go

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lengths

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what he wore, how he

> walked,

> > > how

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > spirits

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dictated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him and so on. But when

it

> > > comes

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > breaking

> > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misconceptions

surrounding

> > this

> > > > > book,

> > > > > > > > none

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On this current issue

under

> > > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raheja ji, no body has

> come

> > out

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > comments

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > either

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is this apathy to

> discuss

> > > the

> > > > > Lal

> > > > > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contents

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with an astrological

> > > perspective,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > lead

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be vary of it. No

> wonder

> > > that

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Tona-Totkas and the

Lal

> > > Kitab

> > > > > > > > > astrologers as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > semi-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time village pundits. I

do

> > not

> > > > > blame

> > > > > > > > > others for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > misconception.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are at fault. It is

our

> > own

> > > > > apathy

> > > > > > > > > > > responsible

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lack confidence to

argue

> out

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merits.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, doesn't matter;

our

> > > effort

> > > > > is

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rightful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book deserves in the

world

> of

> > > > > Indian

> > > > > > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Participation or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > participation we will

> > continue

> > > > > with

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > effort.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------

---

> -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make

>

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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