Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Dear Kulbir Bhai, If we are talking about the khana as marked in a Makan Kundali, then how can khana # 3 & 8 be on the right while entering ? These two houses represent south. These two house can be on the right only if we enter the house from the west gate. Yes in the Janma Kundali if we enter from the first house [ lagna ] and go upto the 9th in a zodiac sequence then only houses from 1 to 8 can be on the right. Therefore let's be clear which directions are we talking about? Directions in a Makan Kundali or the directions in a Janma Kundali ? Just a thought. Have a nice day Varun , " kulbirbance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > umesh ji seems right, the directions change when the position of > observer changes. when we enter the place the side which is on the > right side chages to left when we move out. therefore it can be > safely concluded that when we enter the house items via planets > posited representing house no 1 to 8 are on right side, 10-12 on the > left side and house no.9 is the referance point. i.e. directions turn > like a mirror image i think it is called lateral inversion; when the > person going in turns his back towards the house.i.e changes his > direction to the referance point i.e. house no9. > kulbirbance. > > - , " Umesh Sharma " > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee Ji, > > In my view this statement has Two different terms. > > 1. KUNDALI KE KHANA NO. 1 SE CHALKAR AGAR NAUVAIN KO > > JAYAIN YA MAKAAN SE BAAHAR KO NIKALAIN TO JIS TARAF -DAYAAN (right) > > HAATH HOGAA- US TARAF MAKAAN KE TAMAAM GRAH JO KHANA NO. 1 SE 8 > TAK HO > > APNA SABOOT DENGEY. > > 2. ISI TARAH AGAR 12 NO. KHAANE SE APNE AAPKO KHANA > > > NO. 9 KI TARAF AATEY HUVE GINE YA MAKAAN MAIN BAAHAR SE AAKAR > DAAKHIL > > > HONE LAGAIN TO KHANA NO. 12 SE 12, 11 10 KE GHARON KE GRAH -- > DAAYEN > > > (right) TARAF MAKAAN KE --SABOOT DENGEY. > > 1. In first term the person go out side from house. > > 2. In 2nd term the persaon come in side from out side. > > Both are opposite directins. > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhai Yograj ji > > > > > > aapka lalkitab ke original 5 version bina kisi swarth ke logo main > > > baantnaa samaaj ke liye ek aisa yogdaan hai jise ki aane wale > samay > > > main kabhi bhi nahi bhulaayaa ja saktaa. Aapne ise is roop main > jis > > > tarah se surakshit kiyaa hai, vah appki udaartaa ka parichayak > hai.It > > > is a great work of great soul like u. > > > > > > Lekin Yograj ji, in 5 books ke baad aglaa daur jo ab shuru hua hai > > > iski kalpana kuchh logon ke man main aaj se 3 varsh pehley hee > thi aur > > > uske liye kuchh prayaas kiye gaye, jinhain kuchh logon ne Urdu vs > > > Hindi/Dalda ka khitaab dekar darkinaar kar diyaa aur khud ko is > tarah > > se > > > expose kiyaa ki shayad pujyaa pandit ji ki Rooh unhain lalkitab > > samjhaa > > > kar jaa rahi hai aur unki baat ko hooob-hoo maan liyaa jaye. > Lalkitab > > > ki lines main ooper neechey ,aage peechey ghumaakar ve log kyaa > sabit > > > karnaa chahtey they samajh nahi aayaa, aaj aap khud ko hee dekho > aap > > to > > > urdu bahut badhia jaantey hain fir bhi galati to ho hi jaati hai, > arre > > > bhai insaan galatiyon ka putlaa hai,Jaise aap galati kar saktey > hain > > aur > > > bhi kar saktey hain, aaj groups main hum sabhi isliye ikatthey > hotey > > > hain taaki hum log galatiyon aur bhrantoyon se alag hatkar gyaan > ek > > > doosrey ke jariye prapt kar sakain. > > > > > > Chalo chhodo in baaton ko aur jaraa Original Lalkitab 1952 ke > > > page no. 206 par " GRAH KUNDALI KI MAKAAN KE HISAB SE DURUSTI par > nazar > > > daalo,likhaa hai ki ---KUNDALI KE KHANA NO. 1 SE CHALKAR AGAR > NAUVAIN > > KO > > > JAYAIN YA MAKAAN SE BAAHAR KO NIKALAIN TO JIS TARAF -DAYAAN > (right) > > > HAATH HOGAA- US TARAF MAKAAN KE TAMAAM GRAH JO KHANA NO. 1 SE 8 > TAK HO > > > APNA SABOOT DENGEY, ISI TARAH AGAR 12 NO. KHAANE SE APNE AAPKO > KHANA > > > NO. 9 KI TARAF AATEY HUVE GINE YA MAKAAN MAIN BAAHAR SE AAKAR > DAAKHIL > > > HONE LAGAIN TO KHANA NO. 12 SE 12, 11 10 KE GHARON KE GRAH -- > DAAYEN > > > (right) TARAF MAKAAN KE --SABOOT DENGEY. > > > > > > Kyaa aisa nahi lag rahaa hai ki yahaan par bhi kuchh contradiction > > > hai. Dono hee tarah makan ke daayeen taraf saboot. Mujhe lagtaa > hai ki > > > yahaan par bhi lalkitab main shayd misprint hai ya galati ki > gunjaish > > > hai. Aapkaa kyaa vichaar hai? Kyon na hum aur baaton par jor dene > ki > > > bajaay is muddey par discussion ko continue karain. Agar meraa > shak > > > jayaj hai to is par gaur kiyaa jaaaye, agar najayaz hai to uskaa > > > khulaasa karne ki taqleef karain. Rahee baat shikve shikayat ki-- > to > > > yograaj ji vo to chaltey hee rahengey, Koyee gyaan lene ke liye > group > > > main aayaa ,koyee dene ke liye, koyee paise batorne to koyee chele > > > ikatthey karney main bhi interested ho saktaaa hai. In sab baaton > ka > > > koyee tharmameter to hai nahi . Who is queen & who is maid , it > shudnt > > > be motive all of us.Kyon group main shikvey shikayat par jor de > rahey > > > ho.Aur apni taraf se main ek baat saaf karnaa chahtaa hoon ki > maine > > > Aaina dikhane ki baat un logo ke liye likhi thi jo ,lalkitab ke > babat > > > poochhey gaye sawaal ke jawab main bola kartey they ki > > ---PROFESSIONALS > > > LE UDENGEY -isliye bolnaa thik nahi. aaj is group main ek ek baat > kee > > > tafseel dene ki koshish ki ja rahee hai, aur to aur lalkitab ki > mool > > > pustak ki bhi galatiyaan pakdi jaa rahee hain aur professionals > bhi > > > khulkar bol rahey hain jahaan tak unhain pataa hai. To ve log aaj > kis > > > gufaa main jaakar baith gaye hain. Sahee maayno main to shayad > aaj is > > > group ke yogdaan se ve bhi seekh rahey hongey ki lalkitab ko kaise > > > padhaa jaye. QAIYDEY KI TARAH YA EK RESEARCH ORIENTED GRANTH KI > TARAH. > > > agar meri baat theek nahi to un logon ko yahaan par shirkat jaroor > > karni > > > chahiye. > > > > > > Mere red words ki baabat discussion ko roop dene ka kash karain. > > > > > > Pt.lalkitabee > > > > > > V.Shukla > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maharaj; > > > > > > > > > > > > i didn't take anyone's name; how did u reach the conclusion > that it > > > > is aimed at you. to be very frank i had bhatia ji in mind. > nowhere > > did > > > u cut > > > > my viewpoint; it was all started by bhatia ji when i asked him > about > > > his > > > > foot note and it's authenticity. i am sorry i have to go > personal on > > > record > > > > but just check; he comes in various forums; tries to be a > bhisham > > > pitama but > > > > gets lost whenever any logical thing is to be discussed. you > know i > > > have > > > > proof of many other things about participation but don't want to > > > derail the > > > > process of ongoing discussions by starting a new controversy; > > > > would you please be kind enough to let me know as to where did > my > > mail > > > point > > > > towards you or in which manner did u interpret it. > > > > baundale hoe bande nu jhunda te paya kapda wi bhoot pret hi > lagda so > > > just > > > > have a deep breath and reanalyse. > > > > > > > > kulbirbains. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/31/08, Yograj Prabhakar yr_prabhakar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Varun jee > > > > > > > > > > The tragedy is not only what you have mentioned. Another great > > > tragedy is > > > > > that whoever found a " Sonth Kee Ganth " starts thinking > himself a > > > > > " Pansaaree " , unfortunately we all are suffering from this > fatal > > > disease. > > > > > > > > > > There are two kinds of people in Lal Kitab, " Dil Waley " and > > " Deemagh > > > Wale " > > > > > Dil waley has more Josh than Hosh whereas Deemagh Waley has > more > > > Hosh but > > > > > less Josh. Both are actually complimentary to each other. A > > perfect > > > blend of > > > > > Josh and Hosh is a must to achieve anything. Dil Walon ne toh > > Pundit > > > jee ke > > > > > 5 Anmol Rattan bataur Prashad dunia bhar ko baant kar apne > sir se > > > Kitab ka > > > > > Rinn Utaar diya hai. Ab iski Roshni ko duniya bhar mein > phailaney > > ki > > > > > zimmewaree " Deemagh Walon " ki bhi hai. Agar aaj Ek Ek lafz > aur Ek > > Ek > > > logic > > > > > par agar debate > > > > > ho rahi hai to yaqeen karna, is baat kee khushi mujh se zyada > > shayad > > > hi > > > > > kisi aur ko hogi. It is not necessary that we agree with each > > other > > > on every > > > > > point. Every individual has his own way of seeing the things, > we > > > must not > > > > > raise question mark on that. Fot some Lal Kitab is > just " another > > > book " of > > > > > astrology, for many it is sacrosanct or divine scripture, > whats > > > wrong with > > > > > that? How a person looks at a filled bottle is depends upon > his > > own > > > > > judgment and capacity, why one should try to impose his > thoughts > > > over > > > > > anyone? We cannot even force our thoughts on our own kids, so > how > > we > > > can > > > > > expect others to follow our dictates? > > > > > > > > > > I do not know about the others but, for me knowing about how > > Pundit > > > jee > > > > > use to talk, walk, sit, wear, behave, looks and even abuse is > of > > no > > > less > > > > > significance, if someone has any objection - I do not care. > And > > what > > > is > > > > > wrong in it if someone produce some point (like in the case of > > Bejod > > > > > Chhalla) in reference to the words of veterans? A few days > back a > > > remedy of > > > > > keeping Sponge was discussed in the forum, it is nowhere > written > > in > > > the book > > > > > as for how many days this sponge is supposed to be kept in > case of > > > Varshphal > > > > > and what to do with this afterwards. I prefer not to speak > about > > > that as I > > > > > knew that a demand of " Forensic analysis " will arise if I > forward > > my > > > views > > > > > since the same was conveyed by a non- professional " VayoVridh " > Lal > > > kitab > > > > > premi. > > > > > > > > > > As far as running from the participation is concerned, I would > > like > > > to > > > > > assure you that Peeth Dikha Kar Bhag jaana meri fitrat nahi > hai. > > > Browse the > > > > > achieve, and see how many mails with Colorful Headings were > > directed > > > to me. > > > > > But I always took it as a compliment. Even the gauche way to > > degrade > > > never > > > > > bothered me. I continued to participate in the debates with my > > > little or no > > > > > knowledge. But I hate to poke my nose in controversial issues > and > > > the issues > > > > > I am not sure > > > > > about. If that is called a weakness - I accept it gleefully. > > > > > > > > > > I also read starements about " showing the mirror " > and " Nishkasit > > kar > > > diya > > > > > tha " etc. I always treat you as the shadow of Prof. Upadhyaye > jee > > > who taught > > > > > me the great lesson of " Forgive and Forget " , so I was a little > > > surprised > > > > > (but not at all shocked) with this retaliatory attitude. Now > you > > > will agree > > > > > with me that all chickens look gray in the dark. > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee, whos Lal Kitab business will suffer? Who is > afraid of > > > > > Shudhi-Karan? Whos Chele Chapte will ran away? To whom you are > > > refering? I > > > > > am like a " Nanga Putt Choran Vich Khedey " , " Na aqal naa > maut " - so > > > have > > > > > nothing to loose. Neither astrology is my bread & butter nor I > > have > > > any > > > > > Chela-Chapta. But yes, like you, I too have great faith in > this > > > divine > > > > > scripture and no one can ever deprived me of that. > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *kulbir bance kulbirbance@* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev; remember the last line of this book is MADAD MALIK > APNI > > > DEGA, > > > > > NEKI KHUD KARTE RAHO. > > > > > baki KUCH TO MAJBURIYAN RAHIN HONGI; YOUNH HI KOI BEWAFA NAHIN > > HOTA, > > > > > pehli majboori; logon ko yeh shaq paida na ho jai ki mujhe > > lalkitab > > > ki > > > > > samajh nahin. > > > > > second; why to comment i.e. accept, deny or improve upon a > point > > > which we > > > > > ourselves couldn't point out. bhai hamse badhkar kaun; > > > > > please try to understand their difficulty they have > apprehensions > > > > > 1. their lalkitab commerce will suffer. > > > > > 2. it is difficult to acept that one has been associated with > this > > > book > > > > > for years; but all gone waste; all of sudden comes a bolt > that his > > > approach > > > > > was wrong; how to undo that. its hard to accept unless > antarman ka > > > > > shudikaran ho gaya jai. > > > > > 3. thier goodwill and chele chapte/ following will run away. > > > > > so it is convenient to turn a blind eye. > > > > > jab pt ji ne shuru me hi likh diya DUNIYAVI HISAB KITAB HAI , > KOI > > > > > DAWA-E-KHUDAI NAHIN. then what's wrong in reviewing and > > discussing. > > > rome was > > > > > not built in a day, we all can become masters but patience and > > > integrity is > > > > > a vital ingredient. > > > > > sincerely > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/29/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the tragedy; raise a fundamental astrological issue > and > > > all > > > > > > those who claim to have studied the Lal Kitab for decades go > > > silent. > > > > > > If I had raised a peripheral question there would have been > at > > > least > > > > > > half a dozen people participating in an agitated debate. > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to the archives and you will find long debates on issues > like > > > > > > whether the steel ring should be open at the ends or > closed, or > > > > > > whether keeping a square piece of silver for Saturn is just > to > > > find > > > > > > out the nature of the Saturn or it is also a part of the > upaya > > and > > > > > > so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or talk about any myth or a legend about the book, and you > find > > > > > > every body ready with a myth of their own. Every body > claiming > > to > > > be > > > > > > very close to Pandit ji; they would go at great lengths to > > > describe > > > > > > what he wore, how he walked, how the spirits dictated the > book > > to > > > > > > him and so on. But when it comes to breaking some > astrological > > > > > > misconceptions surrounding this book, none of them is to be > > seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > On this current issue under discussion except for Kulbir ji > and > > > > > > Raheja ji, no body has come out with any comments either > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is this apathy to discuss the Lal Kitab and its contents > > purely > > > > > > with an astrological perspective, which has lead other > > astrologers > > > > > > to be vary of it. No wonder that they consider this book as > a > > book > > > > > > of Tona-Totkas and the Lal Kitab astrologers as semi- > literate > > > small > > > > > > time village pundits. I do not blame others for this > > > misconception. > > > > > > We are at fault. It is our own apathy responsible for it > because > > > we > > > > > > lack confidence to argue out issues on their astrological > > merits. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, doesn't matter; our effort is to get the rightful > place > > this > > > > > > book deserves in the world of Indian Astrology. > Participation or > > > no > > > > > > participation we will continue with our effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your > > > > homepage.<http://us.rd./evt=51438/*http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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