LK discussion group Lal Kitab and its tragedy

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Dear Varun jee The tragedy is not only what you have mentioned. Another great tragedy is that whoever found a "Sonth Kee Ganth" starts thinking himself a "Pansaaree", unfortunately we all are suffering from this fatal disease. There are two kinds of people in Lal Kitab, "Dil Waley" and "Deemagh Wale” Dil waley has more Josh than Hosh whereas Deemagh

Waley has more Hosh but less Josh. Both are actually complimentary to each other. A perfect blend of Josh and Hosh is a must to achieve anything. Dil Walon ne toh Pundit jee ke 5 Anmol Rattan bataur Prashad dunia bhar ko baant kar apne sir se Kitab ka Rinn Utaar diya hai. Ab iski Roshni ko duniya bhar mein phailaney ki zimmewaree "Deemagh Walon" ki bhi hai. Agar aaj Ek Ek lafz aur Ek Ek logic par agar debate ho rahi hai to yaqeen karna, is baat kee khushi mujh se zyada shayad hi kisi aur ko hogi. It is not necessary that we agree with each other on every point. Every individual has his own way of seeing the things, we must not raise question mark on that. Fot some Lal Kitab is just "another book" of astrology, for many it is sacrosanct or divine scripture, whats wrong with that? How a person looks at a filled bottle is depends upon his

own judgment and capacity, why one should try to impose his thoughts over anyone? We cannot even force our thoughts on our own kids, so how we can expect others to follow our dictates? I do not know about the others but, for me knowing about how Pundit jee use to talk, walk, sit, wear, behave, looks and even abuse is of no less significance, if someone has any objection - I do not care. And what is wrong in it if someone produce some point (like in the case of Bejod Chhalla) in reference to the words of veterans? A few days back a remedy of keeping Sponge was discussed in the forum, it is nowhere written in the book as for how many days this sponge is supposed to be kept in case of Varshphal and what to

do with this afterwards. I prefer not to speak about that as I knew that a demand of "Forensic analysis" will arise if I forward my views since the same was conveyed by a non-professional "VayoVridh" Lal kitab premi. As far as running from the participation is concerned, I would like to assure you that Peeth Dikha Kar Bhag jaana meri fitrat nahi hai. Browse the achieve, and see how many mails with Colorful Headings were directed to me. But I always took it as a compliment. Even the gauche way to degrade never bothered me. I continued to participate in the debates with my little or no knowledge. But I hate to poke my nose in controversial issues and the issues I am not sure about. If that is called a weakness - I accept it gleefully. I also read starements about "showing the mirror" and "Nishkasit kar diya tha" etc. I always treat you as the shadow of Prof. Upadhyaye jee who taught me the great lesson of "Forgive and Forget", so I was a little surprised (but not at all shocked) with this retaliatory attitude. Now you will agree with me that all chickens look gray in the dark. Kulbir jee, whos Lal Kitab business will suffer? Who is afraid of Shudhi-Karan? Whos Chele Chapte will ran away? To whom you are refering? I am like a "Nanga Putt Choran Vich Khedey", "Na aqal naa maut" - so have nothing to loose. Neither astrology is my bread & butter nor I have any Chela-Chapta. But yes, like you, I too have great faith in this divine scripture and no one can ever deprived me of that. Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar kulbir bance <kulbirbance

wrote: Gurudev; remember the last line of this book is MADAD MALIK APNI DEGA, NEKI KHUD KARTE RAHO. baki KUCH TO MAJBURIYAN RAHIN HONGI; YOUNH HI KOI BEWAFA NAHIN HOTA, pehli majboori; logon ko yeh shaq paida na ho jai ki mujhe lalkitab ki samajh nahin. second; why to comment i.e. accept, deny or improve upon a point which we ourselves couldn't point out. bhai hamse badhkar kaun; please try to understand their difficulty they have apprehensions 1. their lalkitab commerce will suffer.

2. it is difficult to acept that one has been associated with this book for years; but all gone waste; all of sudden comes a bolt that his approach was wrong; how to undo that. its hard to accept unless antarman ka shudikaran ho gaya jai. 3. thier goodwill and chele chapte/ following will run away. so it is convenient to turn a blind eye. jab pt ji ne shuru me hi likh diya DUNIYAVI HISAB KITAB HAI , KOI DAWA-E-KHUDAI NAHIN. then what's wrong in reviewing and discussing. rome was not built in a day, we all can become masters but patience and integrity is a vital ingredient. sincerely kulbirbance On 3/29/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Respected members,This is the tragedy; raise a fundamental astrological issue and all those who claim to have studied the Lal Kitab for decades go silent. If I had raised a peripheral question there would have been at least half a dozen people participating in an agitated debate. Go to the archives and you will find long debates on issues like whether the steel ring should be open at the ends or closed, or whether keeping a square piece of silver for Saturn is just to find out the nature of the Saturn or it is also a part of the upaya and so on.Or talk about any myth or a legend about the book, and you find every body ready with a myth of their own. Every body claiming to be very close to Pandit ji; they would go at great lengths to describe what he wore, how he walked, how the spirits dictated the book to him and so

on. But when it comes to breaking some astrological misconceptions surrounding this book, none of them is to be seen. On this current issue under discussion except for Kulbir ji and Raheja ji, no body has come out with any comments either way.It is this apathy to discuss the Lal Kitab and its contents purely with an astrological perspective, which has lead other astrologers to be vary of it. No wonder that they consider this book as a book of Tona-Totkas and the Lal Kitab astrologers as semi-literate small time village pundits. I do not blame others for this misconception. We are at fault. It is our own apathy responsible for it because we lack confidence to argue out issues on their astrological merits.Well, doesn't matter; our effort is to get the rightful place this book deserves in the world of Indian Astrology. Participation or no participation we will continue with our effort.

Regards,Varun Trivedi

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