1941 Gutka : Contradiction ? a few facts / Kulbir ji

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Dear Kulbir bhai,

You are absolutely right. We are aware of this problem.

It is this subtitle on page 283 lines 1 & 2 which is the main stumbling block:

dono ko sooraj dekhe: sanichar ka purjor bura asar, maut purdard hogi

 

This acts as a blanket statement over riding all other subsequent statements.

Tomorrow, on behalf of our Aligarh group we will come up with a tentative solution which will be valid till a better alternative is suggested by some body else.

 

Reagrds,

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

, "kulbir bance" <kulbirbance wrote:>> Varun ji; > > > then also the basic question remains.1. IS LINE NO 14 PAGE 283 IS> IN ACCORDANCE WITH LINE NO 1 ALSO MARKED AS SUBTITLE ON THE SAME PAGE. i.e.can sun or moon aspect from 10 to 4th house.> > sincerely> > kulbirbance> > > > On 3/29/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd wrote:> >> > Respected Girish ji,> >> > What you have said makes a part sense. It is the statement " nihayat> > purdard maut hove" that is what I am uncomfortable about.> >> > With Saturn+ Venus in the 4th and the Moon in the 10th [ replacing> > moon for the sun] how could that lead to a 'nihayat purdard maut'.> >> > But if the statement of the book for Moon in the 10th :> >> > " vaid dhanvatari saath chahe hote, maut pani se hoti ho"> >> > is taken to mean 'nihayat purdard maut' then what you have suggested> > derserves a serious consideration.> >> > Let us hear from other scholars also.> >> > Regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > <%40>,> > "girish_raheja"> > girish_raheja@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun ji,> > >> > > Could it be Moon in place of the Sun?> > >> > > One thing is absolutely certain that the nature of results listed> > > for this combination can not be given for a Varshphal kundali. The> > > long term results, as they are, indicate that the combination is> > for> > > the Janma Kundali.> > >> > > Since in a Janma Kundali this combination is not possible with Sun> > > as one of the planets, have you given a thought to the idea that> > > Moon could be the planet in place of the Sun.> > >> > > I suggest Moon because of two indicators in the results; it talks> > > about the lambi umra and jaydad. Both these things could be> > > associated with Moon and not the Sun.> > >> > > Faithfully,> > >> > > Girish Raheja> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40>,> > "varun_trvd"> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected members,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > A few facts which you could keep in mind while assessing the> > > problem of> > > > contradiction.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Fact 1 :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Venus + Saturn aspecting the Sun or the Sun aspecting this> > > combination> > > > can never occur in a Janma Kundali.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Venus can not be 180 degrees away from the Sun. Venus can not be> > > more> > > > than 49 degrees away from the Sun. This is an astronomical truth> > > and can> > > > not be changed.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Therefore, the results accruing for this situation can never> > > happen , as> > > > far as the Janma Kundali is concerned.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Fact 2 :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > This situation of Venus + Saturn under the aspect of the Sun or> > > visa> > > > versa can occur only in a Varsh Phal kundali.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It will not be prudent to declare a painful death to the native> > > simply> > > > because the combinations in this situation happen to occur in any> > > > particular year. Varsh Phal kundali, meant for a particular> > year,> > > should> > > > not be used to declare results which are spread all through the> > > life.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Fact 3 :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > This situation can occur in a Kundali cast with the help of the> > > Palm> > > > print.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In this condition we have to keep in mind whether to give> > credence> > > to> > > > the Janma Kundali cast scientifically based on the birth data,> > or a> > > > kundali cast with the help of the palm print.> > > >> > > > In my opinion the kundali based on the features on the palm can> > at> > > the> > > > most be used to verify the Janma kundali. For predictions and> > > suggesting> > > > upaya it is the scientifically cast Janma kundali which should> > be> > > used.> > > > Even otherwise how many Lal Kitab scholars are proficient in> > > preparing a> > > > kundali with the help of the palm print.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > >> >> > > >>