Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Respected Kalsi ji, [ 1 ] The house # 5 is SSW [ south south west] [ 2 ] Lal Kitab follows the aspect of the traditional system is not just said by me. If you read the book you will come across not one or two but scores of examples where the traditional aspects have been used both explicitly and implicitly. [ 3 ] There is nothing more to say after you have yourself admitted that†At south west Sun is more strongâ€. [ 4 ] Why a Sun under the duress from the Saturn will effect Ketu ? Well if you had read the chapter of bali-ke bakare you would have known the answer. ‘Surya ketu par nazala dal dega’ [ 5 ] I once again reiterate, whether you like it or not, the policy of the group which has been very clearly mentioned in the introduction of the group , that we as a group at Aligarh do not consider Lal Kitab as a different system at all. We consider it as a part of our great tradition of Vedic astrology. Yes the treatment of the subject could be different, but that is true about all sub-sets of any knowledge system. For us the Lal Kitab is a sub-set of the Vedic system. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Shivdev Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Dear Varun Ji, > Mr. Vinay querry is not irrelevent. As per you the aspect of traditional > astrology also applicable in Lalkitab. Even you emphasized that directions > of traditional astrology is also followed in > lalkitab. then in this context Mr Vinay querry hold good in my opinion. Though > Mr. Vinay had wrong concept about direction as > 5th house as per Traditional astrology represent North West Direction > not South west.. At > south west Sun is more strong and > cruel than north west. North west is weak point for Sun as it is at set > position at that place and darkness rules at that time at that place. . > Now as per the traditional astrology the aspecting planet give more strong > impact on aspected one except in case of mutual aspect. In this case Saturn > is aspecting > sun. .In this case Saturn shall not be affetced at all. rather sun may > give bad result. Now fifth house is considered the Sun House and > Progeny. Why Sun in his own house make ketu Manda irrespective of > position of ketu, > Therefore as per Traditional astrology rules, this Lalkitab dictum fall > flat. > It is better to stay on to the Rules of individual system for > justifying the event. The mix up will create confusion for every one > including you also. > Regards > > > On 3/25/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Respected Vinay ji, > > > > Would you kindly tell me which Lal Kitab editions have you read? > > Which Lal Kitab books you already have with you in your personal > > library? > > > > I am seeking this information because what ever is being discussed > > here will be meaningful for only those who have a very good back > > ground of the Lal Kitab.This group is not meant for long distance > > learning of the Lal Kitab. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > <% 40>, > > " Vinay kumar " > > <v4vedic@> wrote: > > > > > > Respacted Varun Ji, > > > > > > You are right. 5th house is south western direction where sun is > > considered > > > weks because sun sets in west. > > > But why the Saturn is manda. because sun is not aspecting > > > saturn. and why ketu is also manda whereas he is not in the > > picture at all. > > > please guide > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Vinay > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/25/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Iqbal ji, > > > > > > > > Saturn placed in the 3rd will have aspect on the 5th house. Thus > > the > > > > Saturn is going to adversely affect the Sun and will also get > > affected in > > > > the process. The book says: > > > > > > > > *5 ravi se ketu manda, umda shani na hota ho* > > > > > > > > " ketu nar santaan aur khud shani ka prabhav manda hoga " > > > > > > > > It will get worse if you live in a house facing east. The > > adverse effect > > > > on the Sun, though not mentioned in the book, will also be > > perceptible > > > > through the conflict with rajya prashashan [ state authority] > > represented by > > > > the Sun. It will also be perceived through the significations > > of the house > > > > the Sun has its lordship on. > > > > > > > > The significations of the houses whose lordship is of the Saturn > > may not > > > > be fully realised since it will act manda. > > > > > > > > Although not much, but even the significations of Mars could be > > affected. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > punjabilovebug@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > > > > > > > How about the Saturn in 3rd with Sun/Mars/Mercury in 5th. How > > would this > > > > similar logic play out insofar as Saturn/Sun relationship? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > Iqbal > > > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " kulbirbance " kulbirbance@ > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:20:05 > > > > > <% 40> > > > > > LK discussion group Re: saturn in 12 sun in 6= red > > flower upaya > > > > / vinay bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay ji; > > > > > > > > > > bada clear likha hai south esat direction is the place > > > > > where this flowers are to be buried. this direction is house > > no. 12. > > > > > secondly in case of rahu blue flowrs are recommended. i hope u > > know > > > > > colour gets priority in dteremining shay of planet in lalkitab. > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > <% <%25> > > 40> > > > > @, " Vinay kumar " > > > > > v4vedic@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Trivedi Ji and Bance Ji, > > > > > > By using mercury item only, mangal nek can be > > established.then > > > > > > Why Pandit ji used Two Mangals. Mangal + Budh is not a good > > > > > combination for > > > > > > spouse of a person. > > > > > > Is Burying underground means estabilishing in house no 6. > > > > > > Please guide me > > > > > > Yours > > > > > > Vinay > > > > > > On 3/24/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that this is the only place where a red > > flower > > > > > is > > > > > > > suggested as an upaya. I think that by getting red flower > > [ mars > > > > > + > > > > > > > mercury ] buried Pandit ji has finally got this equation > > in the > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > house: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun [ already in the 6th] + mars + mercury > > > > > > > Sun + mercury = mangal nek > > > > > > > Therefore the equation leads to = mangal nek + mangal > > > > > > > The mangal nek will also turn the other mangal into nek. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence the confrontation of the Sun [ 6th house ] and the > > Saturn [ > > > > > > > 12th house ] gets eliminated. The family life gets saved > > through > > > > > > > this upaya. > > > > > > > The mangal nek in the 6th house is considered good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > %40> @ > > > > <% > > > > > 40>, > > > > > > > " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > red flowers are advised to be buried for benefic results. > > > > > > > > what could be the logic further when anar ke phool ka > > rang is > > > > > > > mangal > > > > > > > > badh. i think it is only one place in lalktab where red > > > > > flowers are > > > > > > > > mentioned as upaye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi, > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS) > Consultant (Vedic Astrology) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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