Directions [ dishayen ] and the Lal Kitab / Kalsi ji

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Respected Kalsi ji,

 

Lal Kitab has not talked about the geographical directions. Pandit

has talked about the directions but his reference point is always

the 'makan'. The directions allotted to various houses are the same

as laid down for the interior of the 'makan'.

 

Even otherwise he did not have to mention the geographical

directions because it is already assumed that even a beginner in

astrology would know about them.

 

As for reading the book, my reading is no better than most of the

people in this group. But we as a group in Aligarh question every

statement made by Pandit ji and try to find a logic behind it. If we

feel that the statement does not stand upto the logic we do not

accept it. We are a very open minded group studying the Lal Kitab

with a very critical and minute examination

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Varun Ji,

>

> You have give a nice illustration of directions in a Kundli. I add

mor for

> information of others that The traditional astrology have the

compilation of

> many research papers by ancient astrologer and compiled in a Book

by

> Parashar rishi. This book is known as Bruhat Prashar Hora shastra.

This is

> an excelleny book of ancient times.

> Regarding lalkitab , Mr. Varun, you have said that lalkitab specify

> directions at all.

> I remember I read it in one of the book, during first fast reading

> excercise.But your thoughts are more refined than I.

> Are saying this after reading all the five books or just a spot

thought.

> regards

>

>

>

On 3/26/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> > Respected members,

> >

> >

> >

> > *Geographical Direction :*

> >

> >

> >

> > East is where the sun rises; 180 degrees to the East is West;

> >

> > Facing the rising Sun the North will be on the left; 180 degrees

to the

> > North will be the South.

> >

> > This is the Cardinal truth of astronomy. Nothing can change this

truth,

> > astrology or no astrology.

> >

> > Indian Vedic astrology and vastu shashtra has further designated

the

> > corners / angles by different names. North East is known as

Eeshan kon; South

> > east is known as Aagnyey kon; South west is known as Nairitya

kon; and North

> > west is known as Vayavya kon. This division and nomenclature is

universally

> > accepted in Indian classical literature on astrology and Vastu.

> >

> >

> >

> > The Indian rishis of astrology had realized long back that a

Janma Kundali

> > is an imprint or a map of the celestial bodies in the sky at the

time of

> > birth. Therefore in a Janma Kundali the planets are plotted as

accurately as

> > possible the way they appeared in the sky, over our head, at the

time of

> > birth.

> >

> >

> >

> > In order to accurately plot the planets on the Janma Kundali it

became

> > necessary that the geographical directions be assigned to the

Janma Kundali.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > As you would notice conventionally North is marked on a map

similarly the

> > Ascendant is marked East on a Janma Kundali. Any body born at

sun rise will

> > have his sun in the ascendant. If some one is born at mid noon

when the

> > Sun reaches its zenith, the sun will be placed in the 10th house

of the

> > Janma Kundali. The rishis marked it as North. Any body born in

the evening

> > when the sun sets, his sun will be in the 7th house, the rishis

marked the

> > 7th house as the West. The night falls, it gets dark all around

and if

> > some one is born at midnight his sun will be in the 4th house of

the

> > Kundali, hence the 4th house got marked as the South. These

directions

> > truly and faithfully represent the overturned sky hanging over

our heads. [

> > katora moti bhara … ulta dhara ]

> >

> >

> >

> > Traditional Vedic astrology and the Indian Vastu follow this

tradition.

> >

> >

> >

> > *Directions in the Lal Kitab :*

> >

> >

> >

> > There is no specific mention of the natural directions as such

in the

> > book. But since the Lal Kitab has accepted the traditional Vedic

concept of

> > a Janma Kundali that it is a map of the planets as they were

placed at the

> > time of birth and where the house # 1 means the Lagna , we

assume that the

> > Lal Kitab also follows the traditional alignment of the Janma

kundali

> > vis-à-vis the celestial bodies in the sky.

> >

> >

> >

> > But while talking about ' makan kundali se teve ki durusti' [

confirming

> > the janma kundali based on the house ] Pt. Roopchand ji assigned

directions

> > to various parts of the house iside. In the makan kundali the

North is

> > denoted by house# 6, the natural corollary would be that the

South should be

> > 180 degrees apart, but the in the Makan kundali the South is

denoted by

> > house # 8; house # 4 is denoted as North east, South west is

denoted by

> > house # 7, where as they should be 180 degree apart; North west

is denoted

> > by house # 2 and the South east by house # 12, that is more than

180 degrees

> > apart.

> >

> >

> >

> > *This assignment is entirely his own and what was the logic for

it is not

> > known to any one. This assignment of the directions is for the

interior of

> > the house only and that too for a specific purpose and can not

be carried

> > forward and applied to the Kundali.*

> >

> >

> >

> > We will commit a great mistake if we applied the directions

denoting the

> > interior of the house set by the Lal Kitab to the Janma Kundali.

Janma

> > Kundali is a universal document. It remains the same whether

being analysed

> > by a traditional vedic astrologer or a Lal Kitab astrologer.

Since the Janma

> > Kundali is a universal document, the directions assigned to the

Janma

> > Kundali are those which have been assigned by our vedic

astrology Rishis and

> > have been universally accepted. They can neither be changed nor

appropriated

> > in any way to accommodate any different scheme of things.

> >

> >

> >

> > Had the Lal Kitab used a horoscope differently cast then it

could have

> > applied its own rules of directions. So long as the Lal Kitab

uses the

> > traditionally cast horoscope with the Lagna aligned to the East,

it has no

> > option but to follow the traditionally accepted scheme of

directions.

> >

> >

> >

> > With Regards,

> >

> >

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>