saturn in 12 sun in 6= red flower upaya / Vinay ji

March 25, 2008

Respected Vinay ji,

Would you kindly tell me which Lal Kitab editions have you read?

Which Lal Kitab books you already have with you in your personal

library?

I am seeking this information because what ever is being discussed

here will be meaningful for only those who have a very good back

ground of the Lal Kitab.This group is not meant for long distance

learning of the Lal Kitab.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " Vinay kumar "

<v4vedic wrote:

>

> Respacted Varun Ji,

>

> You are right. 5th house is south western direction where sun is

considered

> weks because sun sets in west.

> But why the Saturn is manda. because sun is not aspecting

> saturn. and why ketu is also manda whereas he is not in the

picture at all.

> please guide

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> Vinay

>

> On 3/25/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> > Respected Iqbal ji,

> >

> > Saturn placed in the 3rd will have aspect on the 5th house. Thus

the

> > Saturn is going to adversely affect the Sun and will also get

affected in

> > the process. The book says:

> >

> > *5 ravi se ketu manda, umda shani na hota ho*

> >

> > " ketu nar santaan aur khud shani ka prabhav manda hoga "

> >

> > It will get worse if you live in a house facing east. The

adverse effect

> > on the Sun, though not mentioned in the book, will also be

perceptible

> > through the conflict with rajya prashashan [ state authority]

represented by

> > the Sun. It will also be perceived through the significations

of the house

> > the Sun has its lordship on.

> >

> > The significations of the houses whose lordship is of the Saturn

may not

> > be fully realised since it will act manda.

> >

> > Although not much, but even the significations of Mars could be

affected.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , punjabilovebug@

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun Ji,

> > >

> > > How about the Saturn in 3rd with Sun/Mars/Mercury in 5th. How

would this

> > similar logic play out insofar as Saturn/Sun relationship?

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Iqbal

> > >

> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> > >

> > > " kulbirbance " kulbirbance@

> > >

> > > Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:20:05

> > >

> > > LK discussion group Re: saturn in 12 sun in 6= red

flower upaya

> > / vinay bhai

> > >

> > > Vinay ji;

> > >

> > > bada clear likha hai south esat direction is the place

> > > where this flowers are to be buried. this direction is house

no. 12.

> > > secondly in case of rahu blue flowrs are recommended. i hope u

know

> > > colour gets priority in dteremining shay of planet in lalkitab.

> > >

> > > kulbirbance

> > >

> > > <%

40>

> > @, " Vinay kumar "

> > > v4vedic@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Trivedi Ji and Bance Ji,

> > > > By using mercury item only, mangal nek can be

established.then

> > > > Why Pandit ji used Two Mangals. Mangal + Budh is not a good

> > > combination for

> > > > spouse of a person.

> > > > Is Burying underground means estabilishing in house no 6.

> > > > Please guide me

> > > > Yours

> > > > Vinay

> > > > On 3/24/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes you are right that this is the only place where a red

flower

> > > is

> > > > > suggested as an upaya. I think that by getting red flower

[ mars

> > > +

> > > > > mercury ] buried Pandit ji has finally got this equation

in the

> > > 6th

> > > > > house:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun [ already in the 6th] + mars + mercury

> > > > > Sun + mercury = mangal nek

> > > > > Therefore the equation leads to = mangal nek + mangal

> > > > > The mangal nek will also turn the other mangal into nek.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hence the confrontation of the Sun [ 6th house ] and the

Saturn [

> > > > > 12th house ] gets eliminated. The family life gets saved

through

> > > > > this upaya.

> > > > > The mangal nek in the 6th house is considered good.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun

> > > > >

> > > > > <

> > %40> @

> > <%

> > > 40>,

> > > > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > red flowers are advised to be buried for benefic results.

> > > > > > what could be the logic further when anar ke phool ka

rang is

> > > > > mangal

> > > > > > badh. i think it is only one place in lalktab where red

> > > flowers are

> > > > > > mentioned as upaye.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 26, 2008

Dear Varun Ji,Mr. Vinay querry is not irrelevent. As per you the aspect of traditional astrology also applicable in Lalkitab. Even you emphasized that directions of traditional astrology is also followed in lalkitab. then in this context Mr Vinay querry hold good in my opinion. Though Mr. Vinay had wrong concept about direction as 5th house as per Traditional astrology represent North West Direction not South west.. At south west Sun is more strong and cruel than north west. North west is weak point for Sun as it is at set position at that place and darkness rules at that time at that place. .

Now as per the traditional astrology the aspecting planet give more strong impact on aspected one except in case of mutual aspect. In this case Saturn is aspecting sun. .In this case Saturn shall not be affetced at all. rather sun may give bad result. Now fifth house is considered the Sun House and Progeny. Why Sun in his own house make ketu Manda irrespective of position of ketu,

Therefore as per Traditional astrology rules, this Lalkitab dictum fall flat.It is better to stay on to the Rules of individual system for justifying the event. The mix up will create confusion for every one including you also.

RegardsOn 3/25/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

Respected Vinay ji, Would you kindly tell me which Lal Kitab editions have you read? Which Lal Kitab books you already have with you in your personal library? I am seeking this information because what ever is being discussed

here will be meaningful for only those who have a very good back ground of the Lal Kitab.This group is not meant for long distance learning of the Lal Kitab. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Vinay kumar "

<v4vedic wrote: > > Respacted Varun Ji, > > You are right. 5th house is south western direction where sun is considered > weks because sun sets in west. > But why the Saturn is manda. because sun is not aspecting

> saturn. and why ketu is also manda whereas he is not in the picture at all. > please guide > > Thanks in advance > > Vinay > > > > On 3/25/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> > > > > > > > Respected Iqbal ji, > > > > Saturn placed in the 3rd will have aspect on the 5th house. Thus the > > Saturn is going to adversely affect the Sun and will also get

affected in > > the process. The book says: > > > > *5 ravi se ketu manda, umda shani na hota ho* > > > > " ketu nar santaan aur khud shani ka prabhav manda hoga "

> > > > It will get worse if you live in a house facing east. The adverse effect > > on the Sun, though not mentioned in the book, will also be perceptible > > through the conflict with rajya prashashan [ state authority]

represented by > > the Sun. It will also be perceived through the significations of the house > > the Sun has its lordship on. > > > > The significations of the houses whose lordship is of the Saturn

may not > > be fully realised since it will act manda. > > > > Although not much, but even the significations of Mars could be affected. > > > > Regards, > >

> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , punjabilovebug@

wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > > > How about the Saturn in 3rd with Sun/Mars/Mercury in 5th. How would this > > similar logic play out insofar as Saturn/Sun relationship?

> > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Iqbal > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > > > > > > > > " kulbirbance " kulbirbance@

> > > > > > Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:20:05 > > >

> > > LK discussion group Re: saturn in 12 sun in 6= red flower upaya > > / vinay bhai > > > > > > > > > Vinay ji; > > > > > > bada clear likha hai south esat direction is the place

> > > where this flowers are to be buried. this direction is house no. 12. > > > secondly in case of rahu blue flowrs are recommended. i hope u know > > > colour gets priority in dteremining shay of planet in lalkitab.

> > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > <%

40> > > @, " Vinay kumar "

> > > v4vedic@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Trivedi Ji and Bance Ji, > > > > By using mercury item only, mangal nek can be established.then > > > > Why Pandit ji used Two Mangals. Mangal + Budh is not a good

> > > combination for > > > > spouse of a person. > > > > Is Burying underground means estabilishing in house no 6. > > > > Please guide me > > > > Yours

> > > > Vinay > > > > On 3/24/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that this is the only place where a red

flower > > > is > > > > > suggested as an upaya. I think that by getting red flower [ mars > > > + > > > > > mercury ] buried Pandit ji has finally got this equation

in the > > > 6th > > > > > house: > > > > > > > > > > Sun [ already in the 6th] + mars + mercury > > > > > Sun + mercury = mangal nek

> > > > > Therefore the equation leads to = mangal nek + mangal > > > > > The mangal nek will also turn the other mangal into nek. > > > > > > > > > > Hence the confrontation of the Sun [ 6th house ] and the

Saturn [ > > > > > 12th house ] gets eliminated. The family life gets saved through > > > > > this upaya. > > > > > The mangal nek in the 6th house is considered good.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun > > > > > > > > > > <

> > %40> @ > > <% > > > 40>,

> > > > > " kulbirbance " > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji, > > > > > >

> > > > > > red flowers are advised to be buried for benefic results. > > > > > > what could be the logic further when anar ke phool ka rang is > > > > > mangal

> > > > > > badh. i think it is only one place in lalktab where red > > > flowers are > > > > > > mentioned as upaye. > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)