pichhali andheri kothari/ shani no.3 / Kalsi ji

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Respected Kalsi ji,

 

In the first place we as a group do not consider Lal Kitab as a

separate system in itself. We consider it as a part of the Vedic

tradition. If you care to read, it has been openly declared in the

preamble of the group. Therefore there is no mixing of the systems.

 

Secondly we believe that the Lal Kitab uses the same rules of aspect

as does the Vedic system. The treatment of the aspects might be

different but the basics are the same. I have said the same in my

footnote.

 

Thirdly if one confines himself to any one line of thought, which

you seem to suggest, then there can never be new grounds broken,

knowledge can never be enriched, horizons can never be broadened.

Let us reach out to all and every one, let all windows be open and

let the breeze come from all sides. We as a group do not believe in

compartmentalisation of knowledge.

 

With regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Varun Ji,

> My opinion is different in this regard. We must use the rules of

the same

> system which we are studying. Using rules of other systems to

justify a

> principle is not a welcome step. This shows the lack of knowledge

of all of

> us in the subject. Let us try jointly to solve this tangle by

principles of

> Lakitab only. it may take time but we should not be disheartened.

> Regards

> Shiv Dev Kalsi

>

> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:15 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

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> >

> > Respected Thakur saheb & Raheja ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > This is just an effort [ and not a verdict ] to explain the

lines:

> >

> > shani khana 9 ko 3 se dushman grah dekhtaa ho aur udhar makan ki

andhere

> > ki pichhali deewar tod kar roshni ho jave - to khulne ke pahale

saal

> > pichhali tarf ke makan mein se naye nikale darwaje ya taki ki

taraf se

> > teesara makan barbad aur tabah hoga

> >

> > phir teesare saal naye darwaje nikaalne wala ghar be-aabad hoga.

> >

> > *Analysis step one : given facts*

> >

> > [ 1 ] Thakur saheb has very rightly said that any opening for

the sun

> > light into a dark kothari will bring the Sun and the Saturn into

conflict.

> >

> > [ 2 ] I have already said that the rear house/ kothari will be

khana# 6

> >

> > *Analysis step two : inference*

> >

> > [ a ] A saturn which is already under duress through the aspect

of an

> > enemy planet from the 3rd could get billegerent after the

intrusion of the

> > Sun into it's domain [ andheri kothari]. The Saturn could get

hostile.

> >

> > [ b ] Since the khana #6 is already under the aspect of the

Saturn from

> > the 9th, the effect of the Saturn turned hostile would get

carried to this

> > house also.*

> >

> > *Analysis step three : examining the statements*

> >

> > [ A ] to khulne ke pahale saal pichhali tarf ke makan mein se

naye nikale

> > darwaje ya taki ki taraf se teesara makan barbad aur tabah hoga.

> >

> > If the door / window is opened towards khana # 7 then the third

house will

> > be khana # 9. This third house will get 'tabah aur barbad'

because the

> > Saturn itself is placed there.

> >

> > If the door/window is opened towards khana # 5 then the third

house will

> > be khana # 3 which is already occupied by an enemy of Saturn and

is also

> > under the aspect of the Saturn. The house once again will

get 'tabaah aur

> > barbad'.*

> >

> > [ B ] phir teesare saal naye darwaje nikaalne wala ghar be-aabad

hoga.

> >

> > Since the influence of Saturn lasts in a sign for two and a

half year.

> > Therefore it would take two and a half year for the effects of

Saturn to be

> > completed. It appears that Pandit ji rounded it off to three

years. It is

> > within these three years even the house where an opening for the

sun was

> > made would face the impact of the saturn.*

> >

> > *Analysis step four : Unresolved question*

> >

> > Why do the neibhouring third houses get ' barbaad' within the

first year

> > of the opening and why it takes the house where an opening is

made three

> > years to get 'be-aabad'

> >

> > Further enquiry needed to find an answer to the above question.

> >

> > * I have used the Vedic aspect system in the portions marked

with an

> > asterisk [*]. I believe that the Lal Kitab does make use of the

> > traditional vedic aspects also.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

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> >

> > , " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

<

> > thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhai Girish,

> > > Jo mujhey pata thaa vo mainey bata diya. abb aap log bhee

socho main

> > bhee

> > > sochta hoon. Kuchh na kuchh to baba jee kripa karengey.

> > > Aapka

> > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > >

> > > On 3/24/08, girish_raheja girish_raheja@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir ji,

> > > >

> > > > jab aap Bains ji ke sawal ka uttar den to kripa kar ke yah

bhi

> > > > spashtha kar den ki shani 9 ke waqt pichhili deewar mein

roshni

> > > > karne se agal bagal ka teesara makan kyo prabhavit hoga,

sath hi yah

> > > > bhi ki teen sal ke bhitar vah makan jismein roshni ki gayee

hai vah

> > > > bhi barbad ho jayega.sincerely

> > > >

> > > > Girish Raheja

> > > >

> > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > janab;

> > > > > shani no 9 ko no 3 se dushman grah dekhta ho aur udhar

MAKKAN

> > > > > ANDHERE ki pichli diwar tod kar roshani ho jave- to khulne

ke

> > > > pehle

> > > > > 7 saal pichli taraf ke makan me se naye nikle darwaze ya

taki se

> > > > > teesra makan barbad aur tabah hoga, phir teesre saal naye

darwaze

> > > > > nikalane wala ghar beabad hoga. page 160.

> > > > > 1. shani 3 mein shani 9 ke bare kyon likha yeh baat asulan

shani 9

> > > > > mein likhi jani chaiye thi.

> > > > > 2. iske peeche logic kya hai.

> > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > >

> > <%40>,

> > > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> > > > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhayi Varun,

> > > > > > Aapka kehna bilkul darust hai. Chalo hum is ko doosray

tareeqey

> > > > se

> > > > > dekhen

> > > > > > gey

> > > > > > Sabse pehley dekhein

> > > > > > " sooraj na aa baithe 6 ve " - Yaani kee agar shani 12 ho

to agar

> > > > > sooraj 6 ven

> > > > > > ho teve mein " to upaya kee zaroorat padegi

> > > > > > abb dekhen

> > > > > > na pichhali deewar phate

> > > > > > Yaani kee agar shani 12 ho to agar us teve waaley ke

ghar mein

> > > > > koyi andheri

> > > > > > kothri ho to shani qayam mana jayega aur shani 12 kaa

poora phal

> > > > > milega.

> > > > > > aur agar roshni ke liye uski deewar mein khidki yaa koyi

aour

> > > > > tariqa apnaya

> > > > > > jaaye

> > > > > > to is upaya kee zaroorat padegi kyonki ab shani 12 ke

asar ke

> > > > liye

> > > > > yeh

> > > > > > zaroori ho zaayega kee usey 12vein khaaney kee disha mein

> > > > badamon

> > > > > kaa

> > > > > > upaya karvaya jaayega.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > main jo samajhta hoon vo bataaney kee koshish kee hai.

Baaqi aap

> > > > > aagay

> > > > > > charchaa karen

> > > > > > Aapka

> > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On 3/22/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Adarneeya Thakur sahib,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Quoting from the Book :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " sooraj na aa baithe 6 ve, na pichhali deewar phate "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " jab tak sooraj # 6 mein na ho, koi upaya zaroori

nahi "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ab aap hi khud khana 6 ka ?..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " pichhali andheri kothari jo makan mein dakhil hote

waqt

> > > > daanye

> > > > > > > haath ki taraf ki syah pori hoti hai akhir par " [

quoted from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > book]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ??se kaise sambandh banta hai vichar kar dekhen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%

> > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> > > > > > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhai Varun

> > > > > > > > Holi kee Mubarqaq baad ho aap sabhi ko.

> > > > > > > > Aap kee koshish bahut acchhi

> > > > > > > > hai. Mere vichar se lalkitab ke upyon kaa logic

samajhna bada

> > > > > > > mushkil

> > > > > > > > hai. Per dimaag chalta rahe in cheezon per to achha

rehta

> > > > hai.

> > > > > > > > Koyi aur logic bhee hona chaiye Jara sochna padega.

> > > > > > > > Bhayee Agar makaan kee baat karein to khana no 8 aur

6 mein

> > > > do

> > > > > > > dishayoon kaa

> > > > > > > > faraq Dono ek dooje ke ulat hain. Yaani aap ke kahey

mutabaq

> > > > > > > bayaan aur daayan.

> > > > > > > > hai. Kulbir bhayi ne makaan kundli batayee thee

kaheen kisi

> > > > > group

> > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > wo sahi sahi samjha saktey hain.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > mere samajh ke mutabaq logic ban nahin raha.kyon ki

khana no

> > > > 6

> > > > > > > shumali hissa

> > > > > > > > hota hai. aur sooraj mashraq se chadhta hai.abb

shumal kee

> > > > > khidki

> > > > > > > se suuraj

> > > > > > > > kee dhoop ander nahin aa sakti. Haan Dakhan kee

khidki se aa

> > > > > > > sakti. Vo bhee

> > > > > > > > garam tapaaney waali baad dupehar kee.

> > > > > > > > Mere khyaal mein andheri kothdii shaniqayam kee

cheez hai,

> > > > Abb

> > > > > > > Shani Khana

> > > > > > > > no 12 mein hai. Ab jab

> > > > > > > > bhee kayam shani ko suraj chedega to takrav hovega

hee.

> > > > > > > > Baaqi aur mahanubhav bhee hai vo apni raye de is

masley per.

> > > > > > > > Bhayi bura mat manaana aapki baat kaati hai.

> > > > > > > > Aapka

> > > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On 3/21/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Girish ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Every upaya , instruction or suggestion given in

the Lal

> > > > > Kitab

> > > > > > > has an

> > > > > > > > > astrological logic behind it. It is for us the

> > > > practitioners

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab to decipher that reason or logic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This suggestion is invariably given in the context

of

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 12th house. If some one has his Saturn in the 12th

house

> > > > > then he

> > > > > > > > > should not get a window or ventilator opened into

the room

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > is on

> > > > > > > > > the right hand side and at the end of the house as

one

> > > > > enters the

> > > > > > > > > house. Especially the window or the ventilator

should not

> > > > be

> > > > > > > such that

> > > > > > > > > the sun light enters the room directly. The same

> > > > instruction

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > given about the rear wall on the west 'pashchimi

pichhali

> > > > > deewar'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now let us understand the Logic behind this

suggestion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As one enters the house, the right hand rear end

of the

> > > > > house is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > khana # 6 and the left hand rear of the house is

khana #

> > > > 8.

> > > > > You

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > understand it better if you imagine that you are

entering

> > > > the

> > > > > > > Kundali

> > > > > > > > > from lagna [ the main gate of the house]. The

Lagna is

> > > > > considered

> > > > > > > > > East, the 7th house is considered the West.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now if a window or ventilator is opened such that

the

> > > > > sunlight

> > > > > > > enters

> > > > > > > > > directly into the area will mean establishing the

Sun in

> > > > that

> > > > > > > area.

> > > > > > > > > Therefore if the window/ ventilator is in the

kothari on

> > > > the

> > > > > > > right it

> > > > > > > > > will mean that the Sun has been got established in

the 6th

> > > > > > > house, if

> > > > > > > > > it is the kothari on the left then it would mean

> > > > establishing

> > > > > > > the Sun

> > > > > > > > > in the 8th house and if it is the Western wall

then it

> > > > would

> > > > > > > mean the

> > > > > > > > > 7th house.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now what will happen to the Saturn in the 12th ?

How will

> > > > the

> > > > > > > saturn

> > > > > > > > > be affected by this?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It will be under the aspect of the sun from the

6th . Will

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > associated with the Sun of the 8th ; and in

conflict [

> > > > > takrav ]

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > the 7th.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Therefore in order to avoid this uncomfortable

situation

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > suggestion has been made.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > <%

> > > > > 40>

> > > > > > > <%

> > > > > > > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > " girish_raheja "

> > > > > > > > > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab suggests that the last room at the

end of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > should be kept dark; there should be no

ventilator for

> > > > the

> > > > > > > light to

> > > > > > > > > > enter.

> > > > > > > > > > Sir is this just a convention or there is some

logical

> > > > > reason

> > > > > > > behind

> > > > > > > > > > this.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Faithfully,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Girish Raheja

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> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>