Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Janab Thakur sahib, Kya baal ki khaal nikali hai. Huzoor agar khali chhatta hai jisme na shahad hai aur na hi makkhiyan to ye shani ki hi cheez hogi voh bhi shani 8 ke asar ki [ 1952 urdu ed; page 1135 ; line# 15 ] Agar chhatta abaad hai, yani shahad bhi mauzood hai to phir mangal to vahan hoga hi. Shahad hoga to makkhiyan bhi hongi, to shani umda bhi saath mil jayega. Hamare is khitte mein shahad ki makkhi ko ` dangaar' bolte hai. Gaon mein prachlit kahavat hai: Dangaar ka chhatta bharaa, ghar bar haraa Chhatta khali , ab baith bajao thaali If the hive is in a house and is full, the family will be well off. If empty there will be no food and one can't do any thing but beat empty thaali. In our villages it is considered auspicious if the bees select your house to build their hive in. This is taken as a sign of prosperity both in terms of wealth and progeny. It is taken as a sign of `abaad ghar'. But as soon as the bees leave the hive and fly away for a new site, the hive is demolished because an unoccupied hive is considered inauspicious. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Iqbal Chand Thakur " <thakur.iqbalchand wrote: > > Bhai Kulbir, > > > Abhi baat nahi ban rahi. > Baat chhattey kee ho rahi hai naa kee shehad aur makhi kee. Yaani ki Makhi > ka ghar.Woh bhee aath kona ghar. Aam taur per Ghar ko shani kee ashyian > maantey hai. per is case mein abb kaya maana jaye. is maamlet mein > aur khoj been kee zaroorat hai. Mere khyaal mein yeh shani kee hee > ashyian honi chahyiye. > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > On 3/17/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > > > Gill sahib; bee hives store honey ; honey = mars, house =saturn, > > incidentally bee hives cell has octogaonal shape=8 sides. > > kulbirbance > > > > > > On 3/17/08, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > In one of the replies respected Bhooshan Priya ji has said that a > > > beehive is a karak of Saturn and Mars. Could you please explain this > > > for our general understanding. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Varun bhai jann, makhi ke chatte ke bhare aur khali hone par remove kar dene wali baat ghant bandh lene wali hai. ab zara bhrind wasp jo peele rang ki hoti hai; uske chatte ke bare me bhi kuch bataien. sincerely kulbirbance , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Janab Thakur sahib, > > Kya baal ki khaal nikali hai. > > Huzoor agar khali chhatta hai jisme na shahad hai aur na hi > makkhiyan to ye shani ki hi cheez hogi voh bhi shani 8 ke asar ki [ > 1952 urdu ed; page 1135 ; line# 15 ] > > Agar chhatta abaad hai, yani shahad bhi mauzood hai to phir mangal > to vahan hoga hi. Shahad hoga to makkhiyan bhi hongi, to shani umda > bhi saath mil jayega. > > Hamare is khitte mein shahad ki makkhi ko ` dangaar' bolte hai. Gaon > mein prachlit kahavat hai: > > Dangaar ka chhatta bharaa, ghar bar haraa > Chhatta khali , ab baith bajao thaali > > If the hive is in a house and is full, the family will be well off. > If empty there will be no food and one can't do any thing but beat > empty thaali. > > In our villages it is considered auspicious if the bees select your > house to build their hive in. This is taken as a sign of prosperity > both in terms of wealth and progeny. It is taken as a sign > of `abaad ghar'. But as soon as the bees leave the hive and fly away > for a new site, the hive is demolished because an unoccupied hive is > considered inauspicious. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote: > > > > Bhai Kulbir, > > > > > > Abhi baat nahi ban rahi. > > Baat chhattey kee ho rahi hai naa kee shehad aur makhi kee. Yaani > ki Makhi > > ka ghar.Woh bhee aath kona ghar. Aam taur per Ghar ko shani kee > ashyian > > maantey hai. per is case mein abb kaya maana jaye. is maamlet mein > > aur khoj been kee zaroorat hai. Mere khyaal mein yeh shani kee hee > > ashyian honi chahyiye. > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > > > On 3/17/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Gill sahib; bee hives store honey ; honey = mars, house =saturn, > > > incidentally bee hives cell has octogaonal shape=8 sides. > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/08, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > In one of the replies respected Bhooshan Priya ji has said > that a > > > > beehive is a karak of Saturn and Mars. Could you please > explain this > > > > for our general understanding. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Arre Kulbir ji Bhrind ya tataiyya (Yellow Makkhi) ka chhatta to khalis shani " manda " hogaa jo ki sir par ultaa hee latkaa huaa hogaa, aur to aur ismain sirf shani ke dank hee janam lengey mangal ka to nam - o -nishan bhi nahi hogaa shani ke jehar ko kaaboo karne ke liye ,na hee mangal ki mithhaas hogi.. With Regards Pt.Lalkitabee , " kulbirbance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun bhai jann, > > makhi ke chatte ke bhare aur khali hone par remove > kar dene wali baat ghant bandh lene wali hai. ab zara bhrind wasp jo > peele rang ki hoti hai; uske chatte ke bare me bhi kuch bataien. > > sincerely > > kulbirbance > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Janab Thakur sahib, > > > > Kya baal ki khaal nikali hai. > > > > Huzoor agar khali chhatta hai jisme na shahad hai aur na hi > > makkhiyan to ye shani ki hi cheez hogi voh bhi shani 8 ke asar ki > [ > > 1952 urdu ed; page 1135 ; line# 15 ] > > > > Agar chhatta abaad hai, yani shahad bhi mauzood hai to phir mangal > > to vahan hoga hi. Shahad hoga to makkhiyan bhi hongi, to shani > umda > > bhi saath mil jayega. > > > > Hamare is khitte mein shahad ki makkhi ko ` dangaar' bolte hai. > Gaon > > mein prachlit kahavat hai: > > > > Dangaar ka chhatta bharaa, ghar bar haraa > > Chhatta khali , ab baith bajao thaali > > > > If the hive is in a house and is full, the family will be well > off. > > If empty there will be no food and one can't do any thing but beat > > empty thaali. > > > > In our villages it is considered auspicious if the bees select > your > > house to build their hive in. This is taken as a sign of > prosperity > > both in terms of wealth and progeny. It is taken as a sign > > of `abaad ghar'. But as soon as the bees leave the hive and fly > away > > for a new site, the hive is demolished because an unoccupied hive > is > > considered inauspicious. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhai Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > Abhi baat nahi ban rahi. > > > Baat chhattey kee ho rahi hai naa kee shehad aur makhi kee. > Yaani > > ki Makhi > > > ka ghar.Woh bhee aath kona ghar. Aam taur per Ghar ko shani kee > > ashyian > > > maantey hai. per is case mein abb kaya maana jaye. is maamlet > mein > > > aur khoj been kee zaroorat hai. Mere khyaal mein yeh shani kee > hee > > > ashyian honi chahyiye. > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > > > > > On 3/17/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gill sahib; bee hives store honey ; honey = mars, house > =saturn, > > > > incidentally bee hives cell has octogaonal shape=8 sides. > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/08, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > In one of the replies respected Bhooshan Priya ji has said > > that a > > > > > beehive is a karak of Saturn and Mars. Could you please > > explain this > > > > > for our general understanding. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Wah Varun Bhai, kya detail mein smjhaya hai. Aap kaa dimaag Kabiley taareef hai. lekin ek baat sey main aap se sehmat nahin hoon. vo yeh kee Makhi- Shani umda Bhai ye kaisa umdapan , Ye makhi shehad to kisi ko lejaaney nahin deti. Aap hee khaapee jaati hai. Agar koyi lena chaahey to usey Jaan se bhee maar deti hai kayi baar. khaa peekar ghar chhod kar bhaag jaati hai. Insaan jo shehad(mangal nek) is umda shani(aap ke kehnay ke mutabik)ke chhattey se nikaal leta hai woh bheejor jabardasti sey yaa rahu kee madad sey. Haan hum yeh keh saktey hai Shani ney Mangal nek ko qaid kar rakha hai. Waisay ye makhi kaa chhatta upaye mein kyaa kaam aata hai is per bhee agar kuchh roshni daalen to mere jaisay sabhi ke kaam aayega. Aapkaa bahut shukriya mere liye Waqt nikaalney kaa. Iqbal Chand Thakur. On 3/17/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Janab Thakur sahib, Kya baal ki khaal nikali hai. Huzoor agar khali chhatta hai jisme na shahad hai aur na hi makkhiyan to ye shani ki hi cheez hogi voh bhi shani 8 ke asar ki [ 1952 urdu ed; page 1135 ; line# 15 ] Agar chhatta abaad hai, yani shahad bhi mauzood hai to phir mangal to vahan hoga hi. Shahad hoga to makkhiyan bhi hongi, to shani umda bhi saath mil jayega. Hamare is khitte mein shahad ki makkhi ko ` dangaar' bolte hai. Gaon mein prachlit kahavat hai: Dangaar ka chhatta bharaa, ghar bar haraa Chhatta khali , ab baith bajao thaali If the hive is in a house and is full, the family will be well off. If empty there will be no food and one can't do any thing but beat empty thaali. In our villages it is considered auspicious if the bees select your house to build their hive in. This is taken as a sign of prosperity both in terms of wealth and progeny. It is taken as a sign of `abaad ghar'. But as soon as the bees leave the hive and fly away for a new site, the hive is demolished because an unoccupied hive is considered inauspicious. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Iqbal Chand Thakur " <thakur.iqbalchand wrote: > > Bhai Kulbir, > > > Abhi baat nahi ban rahi. > Baat chhattey kee ho rahi hai naa kee shehad aur makhi kee. Yaani ki Makhi > ka ghar.Woh bhee aath kona ghar. Aam taur per Ghar ko shani kee ashyian > maantey hai. per is case mein abb kaya maana jaye. is maamlet mein > aur khoj been kee zaroorat hai. Mere khyaal mein yeh shani kee hee > ashyian honi chahyiye. > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > On 3/17/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > > > Gill sahib; bee hives store honey ; honey = mars, house =saturn, > > incidentally bee hives cell has octogaonal shape=8 sides. > > kulbirbance > > > > > > On 3/17/08, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > In one of the replies respected Bhooshan Priya ji has said that a > > > beehive is a karak of Saturn and Mars. Could you please explain this > > > for our general understanding. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Janaab Thakur Saheb, Shahad ki makkhi 'umda shani' hai yeh meri banayee huyee baat nahi hai. Yeh Pt Roopchand ji ne kaha hai. aap khud 1941 urdu ed page 51 line # 5 dekh len. Yahi bat Pandit ji ney 1942 urdu ed page 109 line # 9 par duharayee hai. ab agar ap ko Pandit Roopchand ji ki bat par bhi vishwas nahi hai to mein kya kar sakta hoon. Ab rahee bat 'yeh kaisa umdapan?' kee to Thakur saheb ab Pandit ji to jeevit nahi hai varna unse poochh kar aap ko bata deta. Ab prashna bee hive aur kundali ka ? To mangal + shani wala chapter khol kar dekh le swayam hi samajh jayege ki bee hive ghar ke kis kone mein shubh rahega. Kya mangal + shani us kone mein rahane se teve wale ke liye shubh hoga ki nahi. Han ek taqeed zaroor ki hai Pandit ji ne ki voh insaan lal heera na pahane. baa adab, Varun Trivedi , " Iqbal Chand Thakur " <thakur.iqbalchand wrote: > > Wah Varun Bhai, kya detail mein smjhaya hai. Aap kaa dimaag Kabiley taareef > hai. > lekin ek baat sey main aap se sehmat nahin hoon. vo yeh kee > Makhi- Shani umda > Bhai ye kaisa umdapan , Ye makhi shehad to kisi ko lejaaney nahin deti. Aap > hee khaapee jaati hai. Agar koyi lena chaahey to usey Jaan se bhee maar deti > hai kayi baar. khaa peekar ghar chhod kar bhaag jaati hai. > Insaan jo shehad(mangal nek) is umda shani(aap ke kehnay ke mutabik)ke > chhattey se nikaal leta hai woh bheejor jabardasti sey yaa rahu kee madad > sey. > Haan hum yeh keh saktey hai Shani ney Mangal nek ko qaid kar rakha hai. > Waisay ye makhi kaa chhatta upaye mein kyaa kaam aata hai is per bhee agar > kuchh roshni daalen to mere jaisay sabhi ke kaam aayega. > > Aapkaa bahut shukriya mere liye Waqt nikaalney kaa. > Iqbal Chand Thakur. > > > On 3/17/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Janab Thakur sahib, > > > > Kya baal ki khaal nikali hai. > > > > Huzoor agar khali chhatta hai jisme na shahad hai aur na hi > > makkhiyan to ye shani ki hi cheez hogi voh bhi shani 8 ke asar ki [ > > 1952 urdu ed; page 1135 ; line# 15 ] > > > > Agar chhatta abaad hai, yani shahad bhi mauzood hai to phir mangal > > to vahan hoga hi. Shahad hoga to makkhiyan bhi hongi, to shani umda > > bhi saath mil jayega. > > > > Hamare is khitte mein shahad ki makkhi ko ` dangaar' bolte hai. Gaon > > mein prachlit kahavat hai: > > > > Dangaar ka chhatta bharaa, ghar bar haraa > > Chhatta khali , ab baith bajao thaali > > > > If the hive is in a house and is full, the family will be well off. > > If empty there will be no food and one can't do any thing but beat > > empty thaali. > > > > In our villages it is considered auspicious if the bees select your > > house to build their hive in. This is taken as a sign of prosperity > > both in terms of wealth and progeny. It is taken as a sign > > of `abaad ghar'. But as soon as the bees leave the hive and fly away > > for a new site, the hive is demolished because an unoccupied hive is > > considered inauspicious. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > <% 40>, > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote: > > > > > > Bhai Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > Abhi baat nahi ban rahi. > > > Baat chhattey kee ho rahi hai naa kee shehad aur makhi kee. Yaani > > ki Makhi > > > ka ghar.Woh bhee aath kona ghar. Aam taur per Ghar ko shani kee > > ashyian > > > maantey hai. per is case mein abb kaya maana jaye. is maamlet mein > > > aur khoj been kee zaroorat hai. Mere khyaal mein yeh shani kee hee > > > ashyian honi chahyiye. > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > > > > > On 3/17/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gill sahib; bee hives store honey ; honey = mars, house =saturn, > > > > incidentally bee hives cell has octogaonal shape=8 sides. > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/17/08, gill_hs2005 <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > In one of the replies respected Bhooshan Priya ji has said > > that a > > > > > beehive is a karak of Saturn and Mars. Could you please > > explain this > > > > > for our general understanding. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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