lalkitabremedies is dangerous ? / Yashdev ji

March 15, 2008

Dear varun/bhushan ji

Aap mera question nahi samjhe . neele thothe ko jameen

mein dabvana , mitti ke kuje mein shahad bhar kar mitti mein garna ,

shamshan ghat mein piche mud kar badam fekna , shamshan ghat ke nal

ke paani se nahana etc . ye kuch upay lalkitab ke establish

astrologers ne recommand kiye hai . kya ye tantra ki shryeni mein

nahi aatey .

meri hamesha jigyasa rehti hai lalkitab ke upayo ko lekar isi ko

lekar maine kuch logo se jinhe lalkitab ke establish astrologers ne

upay bataye they unke experiences puche .

inme se kuch vyakti uppari badha se grast they , unhone ne bataya

ki unke andar jo rooh hai vah lalkitab ke upay karne per kalpati

hai , upay jaise neele thothe ko zammen mein garna , sikke ko raat

bhar jala kar morning river mein daalna etc etc ..

Aisa kyu hota hai we cant understand . kuch dharmik uch koti

ke sant mahapurush bhi aise upay karne se mana karte hai . kya

lalkitab ke upay tantra ki shryeni mein nahi aatey . kripya is per

praksha daale .

mein asha karte hoon is lalkitab ki yatra mein aapko aise shakhs

jaroor mile jo aise experience share kare .

sincerely

Yashdev singh

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Yashdev ji,

>

> 'Oopar ki vyadha' etc does not come under the purview of the Lal

> Kitab. Things like that fall under the domain of Tantra and occult.

>

> Lal Kitab is NOT a book of tantra or occult. It is a pristine

> astrology book in the great tradition of Indian vedic astrology.

>

> If any astrologer is suggesting upaya for such `oopar ki vyadha'

and

> claiming that the remedies are from the Lal Kitab, then he is

telling

> a lie. He might be advising tantrik remedies and in order to make

them

> sound respectable he would be using the name of the Lal Kitab.

>

> Those who advise not to do Lal Kitab remedies may have their own

> reasons for it. In most cases it is because of the fact that not

many

> people know about the Lal Kitab.

>

> If you go through the archives of this group and read for yourself

> what we have been discussing you would yourself realize that the

Lal

> Kitab is just astrology and nothing else.

>

> The remedies prescribed through the Lal Kitab are based on the age

old

> traditional remedies which have been a part of the Indian ethos for

> centuries. They are all tested and tried harmless, least expensive

> remedies.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " singhyashdev "

> <singhyashdev@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear lalkitab Astrologers

> > Mein aapse kuch different question puchne jaa raha

> hoon .

> > ki jo vyakti kisi uppari badha se grast hote hai or agar vo

lalkitab

> > remedies karte hai then unke andar jo roohey ya uppari badha kahe

> > KALPATI ( pareshan ) kyu hoti hai .

> > Kuch sant mahapursh bhi lalkitab ki remedies ko karne ke liye

> mana

> > karte hay . aisa kyu kripya is vishay per roshni daale .

> > sincerely

> > Yashdev singh

> >

>

March 15, 2008

Dear yashdev ji,

The first major difference between the Lal Kitab upaya and the

tantrik rituals is that the Lal Kitab upaya are based on the

planetary positions in the horoscope, be it Janma kundali or the

Varsh Phal kundali. The tantrik rituals have nothing to do with a

horoscope and are suggested by tantriks on the basis of their own

learning and system.

Tantrism is more related to rituals mostly done by the tantrik

himself. Lal Kitab is entirely devoted to remedies to be done by the

jatak and not by the astrologer.

The upaya you have mentioned are related to planets depending on

their placement in the horoscope. They are not Tantrik.

A Lal Kitab expert might suggest remedies for evil eye or evil spell

depending on the planetary placement in the horoscope. The remedies

will be for the planets and not for the 'spirit' causing the

problem. In the tantrik system the rituals will be aimed at

the 'spirit'instead.

We as group have never come across any such experience where a 'rooh

kalapatee hai' etc.

Sincerely,

Chandra Prakash

, " singhyashdev "

<singhyashdev wrote:

>

> Dear varun/bhushan ji

>

> Aap mera question nahi samjhe . neele thothe ko

jameen

> mein dabvana , mitti ke kuje mein shahad bhar kar mitti mein

garna ,

> shamshan ghat mein piche mud kar badam fekna , shamshan ghat ke nal

> ke paani se nahana etc . ye kuch upay lalkitab ke establish

> astrologers ne recommand kiye hai . kya ye tantra ki shryeni mein

> nahi aatey .

> meri hamesha jigyasa rehti hai lalkitab ke upayo ko lekar isi ko

> lekar maine kuch logo se jinhe lalkitab ke establish astrologers ne

> upay bataye they unke experiences puche .

> inme se kuch vyakti uppari badha se grast they , unhone ne

bataya

> ki unke andar jo rooh hai vah lalkitab ke upay karne per kalpati

> hai , upay jaise neele thothe ko zammen mein garna , sikke ko raat

> bhar jala kar morning river mein daalna etc etc ..

> Aisa kyu hota hai we cant understand . kuch dharmik uch koti

> ke sant mahapurush bhi aise upay karne se mana karte hai . kya

> lalkitab ke upay tantra ki shryeni mein nahi aatey . kripya is per

> praksha daale .

> mein asha karte hoon is lalkitab ki yatra mein aapko aise

shakhs

> jaroor mile jo aise experience share kare .

>

> sincerely

>

> Yashdev singh

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Yashdev ji,

> >

> > 'Oopar ki vyadha' etc does not come under the purview of the Lal

> > Kitab. Things like that fall under the domain of Tantra and

occult.

> >

> > Lal Kitab is NOT a book of tantra or occult. It is a pristine

> > astrology book in the great tradition of Indian vedic astrology.

> >

> > If any astrologer is suggesting upaya for such `oopar ki vyadha'

> and

> > claiming that the remedies are from the Lal Kitab, then he is

> telling

> > a lie. He might be advising tantrik remedies and in order to make

> them

> > sound respectable he would be using the name of the Lal Kitab.

> >

> > Those who advise not to do Lal Kitab remedies may have their own

> > reasons for it. In most cases it is because of the fact that not

> many

> > people know about the Lal Kitab.

> >

> > If you go through the archives of this group and read for

yourself

> > what we have been discussing you would yourself realize that the

> Lal

> > Kitab is just astrology and nothing else.

> >

> > The remedies prescribed through the Lal Kitab are based on the

age

> old

> > traditional remedies which have been a part of the Indian ethos

for

> > centuries. They are all tested and tried harmless, least

expensive

> > remedies.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " singhyashdev "

> > <singhyashdev@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear lalkitab Astrologers

> > > Mein aapse kuch different question puchne jaa

raha

> > hoon .

> > > ki jo vyakti kisi uppari badha se grast hote hai or agar vo

> lalkitab

> > > remedies karte hai then unke andar jo roohey ya uppari badha

kahe

> > > KALPATI ( pareshan ) kyu hoti hai .

> > > Kuch sant mahapursh bhi lalkitab ki remedies ko karne ke

liye

> > mana

> > > karte hay . aisa kyu kripya is vishay per roshni daale .

> > > sincerely

> > > Yashdev singh

> > >

> >

>

March 15, 2008

Yash ji; aap Pt. bhooshan priya ji ke group lalkitba_remedies me files section me check kar lijiye aapko sabhi sawalon ke jawab mil jayende. aap is group me lalkitbaee shukla ji ke mesage padh lijiye jahan par chamgadadho ki bishta wala upaya hai.

yeh upaye in vidwano ne lalkitab ki kasauti samne rakh kar likhe hain.

aapke question basically tatwa gyan se relaed hai. har tatwa ki, grah ki, item ka ek energy field hota hai. usko unukool ya pratikool banane ko upaye etc bolte hain.

tantra trango energy ya electromagnetic field ki energy ki bare to hi hai.

baat ik hi hai bas vyakhaan ka tarika alag hai.

lalkitab ke upayon ko tantra particular ke upayon se nahin jod aja sakta. tantra ke vidhi vidhan lag hain.

jaise varun ji ne samjhaya hai. lalkitab ke upaye karne se koi rooh wagarah nahin kalpati; apni nalayki chupano ko bahnae gadh rakhe hain. aap lalkitab ka koi upaye poochein. yeh forum aapko uske logic ki poori jankari dega. aapke man me jin upaoun ko lekar shanka hai ; ik ik kar poonche. main aapko yakin dilata hoon ki sab galat fahmiyan ya bhrantiyan jo logon ne adhpake ljnan se faila rakhin hain door hongi.

lalkitab poorva jano/pitron ke dush karmo/parinamo ko ya native ke pichle janam ke dushkarmo ko rin pitri kahti hai, aapke shabdon upari badha ko lalkitab me hawai badh ka naam diya gaya hai.

aap apni shanka ik ik kar poonche aur phir dekhein ki uska yahan par nivaran hota hai ya nahin.

kulbirbance

On 3/15/08, singhyashdev <singhyashdev wrote:

Dear varun/bhushan ji Aap mera question nahi samjhe . neele thothe ko jameen mein dabvana , mitti ke kuje mein shahad bhar kar mitti mein garna , shamshan ghat mein piche mud kar badam fekna , shamshan ghat ke nal

ke paani se nahana etc . ye kuch upay lalkitab ke establish astrologers ne recommand kiye hai . kya ye tantra ki shryeni mein nahi aatey . meri hamesha jigyasa rehti hai lalkitab ke upayo ko lekar isi ko lekar maine kuch logo se jinhe lalkitab ke establish astrologers ne

upay bataye they unke experiences puche . inme se kuch vyakti uppari badha se grast they , unhone ne bataya ki unke andar jo rooh hai vah lalkitab ke upay karne per kalpati hai , upay jaise neele thothe ko zammen mein garna , sikke ko raat

bhar jala kar morning river mein daalna etc etc .. Aisa kyu hota hai we cant understand . kuch dharmik uch koti ke sant mahapurush bhi aise upay karne se mana karte hai . kya lalkitab ke upay tantra ki shryeni mein nahi aatey . kripya is per

praksha daale . mein asha karte hoon is lalkitab ki yatra mein aapko aise shakhs jaroor mile jo aise experience share kare . sincerely Yashdev singh , " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Yashdev ji,> > 'Oopar ki vyadha' etc does not come under the purview of the Lal > Kitab. Things like that fall under the domain of Tantra and occult.

> > Lal Kitab is NOT a book of tantra or occult. It is a pristine > astrology book in the great tradition of Indian vedic astrology.> > If any astrologer is suggesting upaya for such `oopar ki vyadha'

and > claiming that the remedies are from the Lal Kitab, then he is telling > a lie. He might be advising tantrik remedies and in order to make them > sound respectable he would be using the name of the Lal Kitab.

> > Those who advise not to do Lal Kitab remedies may have their own > reasons for it. In most cases it is because of the fact that not many > people know about the Lal Kitab.> > If you go through the archives of this group and read for yourself

> what we have been discussing you would yourself realize that the Lal > Kitab is just astrology and nothing else. > > The remedies prescribed through the Lal Kitab are based on the age old

> traditional remedies which have been a part of the Indian ethos for > centuries. They are all tested and tried harmless, least expensive > remedies.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " singhyashdev "

> <singhyashdev@> wrote:> >> > Dear lalkitab Astrologers > > Mein aapse kuch different question puchne jaa raha > hoon .> > ki jo vyakti kisi uppari badha se grast hote hai or agar vo

lalkitab > > remedies karte hai then unke andar jo roohey ya uppari badha kahe > > KALPATI ( pareshan ) kyu hoti hai . > > Kuch sant mahapursh bhi lalkitab ki remedies ko karne ke liye > mana

> > karte hay . aisa kyu kripya is vishay per roshni daale . > > sincerely > > Yashdev singh> >>