Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Respected Yograj ji, Yes you are right that there can be confusion between 'dal' and 'wow'. I also had this confusion when I first read the word. Since the word did not read 'wahaan', there was no 'h' in the word and the line is written with dash marks [ - ] which act like a comma as: " Deewar kachchi , matti kachchi , tah hi kachchi , gar vaan / gardaan ho " If the word is read as 'gar vaan' and the word 'vaan' to mean 'vahaan' then there will be only three conditions and any one of these three will make venus act benefic. If the word is read as 'gardaan'[ of mitti & gard] as I intend to read, then there will be four conditions and any one of those four will do. I still feel that the word should be read as 'gardaan' With lots of respect Varun Trivedi , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Vipin Bhai > > I thank you very much for your concern and the faith you have shown in me. I will rectify every possible mistakes from the book and will upload a Darustee-namaa as soon as possible. I request every mate including you to point out such errors. > > Kulbir Bhai, I confess and confirm that the correct word in question is " Taiy " not " Na " I agree with you that this particular mistake has changed (rather spoiled) the whole meanings. I will not give any silly excuse for this. For me this is a criminal mistake, and mistake is a mistake. I never had any doubt whatsoever in my mind regarding your sincerity, you were, you are, and hopefully will remain my well wisher in the truest sense and continue to guide me in future. > > Varun jee, the word you mentioned as " Garda (n) " is incorrect. The correct word is " Gar Vaan " . " Gar " means " If " and " Vaan " means " There " . Perhaps you mistook the Urdu alphabet " Vayo " as " Daal " in this instance. I too committed a similar mistake and misjudged " Taiy " as " Na " as one " Nukta " was missing from " Taiy " in the Urdu page. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Bhai Yograj Ji > > I also confirmed from original text ,it is as legible as quoted by > Mr.Varun.This is not only a misprint, this is an error of reading or > transliteration. It has been read wrong by u or ur helping hand . So > I think -It is urgent to make correct all phrases by reading u or in > ur presence.If u feel any difficulty of legibility in 1941 book ,u > can take help of 1942 book or other versions also.U have all the > material & capability .Bcoz some of us are reading orginal books but > other innocent readers are seeking hindi books & we recommend ur > book as REAL BOOK. Bcoz only u are the Urdu expert or > transliterater ,who is concerned with the transliterated lalkitab, > specially with a team of knowing URDU. I know it was a challenging > work for a single person ,but now this book is an effort of the > group of same linguists.So u shud publish a " correction list of > misprints & errors " as soon as possible. I know it is a hard job but > for the sake of lalkitab u shud publish. Otherwise saying " DALDA > BOOKS " for other hindi Lalkitabs, will be a childish activity of > some reputed personalities. > With Regards > Pt.Lalkitabee > V.Shukla > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Respected Yograj Bhai I think Varun ji is right.Bcoz i was reading at line no.11 at same page of shukkar 10. In the writting of word " DEGA " ,I saw Daal is identical to WRITTEN IN " GARDAAN " . With Regards Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Yograj ji, > > Yes you are right that there can be confusion between 'dal' > and 'wow'. I also had this confusion when I first read the word. > Since the word did not read 'wahaan', there was no 'h' in the word > and the line is written with dash marks [ - ] which act like a comma > as: > > " Deewar kachchi , matti kachchi , tah hi kachchi , gar vaan / > gardaan ho " > > If the word is read as 'gar vaan' and the word 'vaan' to > mean 'vahaan' then there will be only three conditions and any one > of these three will make venus act benefic. > > If the word is read as 'gardaan'[ of mitti & gard] as I intend to > read, then there will be four conditions and any one of those four > will do. > > I still feel that the word should be read as 'gardaan' > > With lots of respect > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vipin Bhai > > > > I thank you very much for your concern and the faith you have > shown in me. I will rectify every possible mistakes from the book > and will upload a Darustee-namaa as soon as possible. I request > every mate including you to point out such errors. > > > > Kulbir Bhai, I confess and confirm that the correct word in > question is " Taiy " not " Na " I agree with you that this particular > mistake has changed (rather spoiled) the whole meanings. I will not > give any silly excuse for this. For me this is a criminal mistake, > and mistake is a mistake. I never had any doubt whatsoever in my > mind regarding your sincerity, you were, you are, and hopefully > will remain my well wisher in the truest sense and continue to guide > me in future. > > > > Varun jee, the word you mentioned as " Garda (n) " is incorrect. The > correct word is " Gar Vaan " . " Gar " means " If " and " Vaan " > means " There " . Perhaps you mistook the Urdu alphabet " Vayo " > as " Daal " in this instance. I too committed a similar mistake and > misjudged " Taiy " as " Na " as one " Nukta " was missing from " Taiy " in > the Urdu page. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote: > Bhai Yograj Ji > > > > I also confirmed from original text ,it is as legible as quoted > by > > Mr.Varun.This is not only a misprint, this is an error of reading > or > > transliteration. It has been read wrong by u or ur helping hand . > So > > I think -It is urgent to make correct all phrases by reading u or > in > > ur presence.If u feel any difficulty of legibility in 1941 > book ,u > > can take help of 1942 book or other versions also.U have all the > > material & capability .Bcoz some of us are reading orginal books > but > > other innocent readers are seeking hindi books & we recommend ur > > book as REAL BOOK. Bcoz only u are the Urdu expert or > > transliterater ,who is concerned with the transliterated > lalkitab, > > specially with a team of knowing URDU. I know it was a > challenging > > work for a single person ,but now this book is an effort of the > > group of same linguists.So u shud publish a " correction list of > > misprints & errors " as soon as possible. I know it is a hard job > but > > for the sake of lalkitab u shud publish. Otherwise saying " DALDA > > BOOKS " for other hindi Lalkitabs, will be a childish activity of > > some reputed personalities. > > With Regards > > Pt.Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Sir, aap kis chakar mein ulajh gaye kyon urdu ke liye sirkhapai kar rahe ho? abb agar hindi mein dekhen to kyon nahi ye keh sakte ki ghar vaan ( jaise puttar-vaan ) matlab ki agar ghar ke west deewar kachi ho to ghar-vaan zyada ghar ( makan ) honge. kyonki makan ko hum aaj bhee ghar boltey hain. mahajan--- In , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Vipin Bhai > > I thank you very much for your concern and the faith you have shown in me. I will rectify every possible mistakes from the book and will upload a Darustee-namaa as soon as possible. I request every mate including you to point out such errors. > > Kulbir Bhai, I confess and confirm that the correct word in question is " Taiy " not " Na " I agree with you that this particular mistake has changed (rather spoiled) the whole meanings. I will not give any silly excuse for this. For me this is a criminal mistake, and mistake is a mistake. I never had any doubt whatsoever in my mind regarding your sincerity, you were, you are, and hopefully will remain my well wisher in the truest sense and continue to guide me in future. > > Varun jee, the word you mentioned as " Garda (n) " is incorrect. The correct word is " Gar Vaan " . " Gar " means " If " and " Vaan " means " There " . Perhaps you mistook the Urdu alphabet " Vayo " as " Daal " in this instance. I too committed a similar mistake and misjudged " Taiy " as " Na " as one " Nukta " was missing from " Taiy " in the Urdu page. > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Bhai Yograj Ji > > I also confirmed from original text ,it is as legible as quoted by > Mr.Varun.This is not only a misprint, this is an error of reading or > transliteration. It has been read wrong by u or ur helping hand . So > I think -It is urgent to make correct all phrases by reading u or in > ur presence.If u feel any difficulty of legibility in 1941 book ,u > can take help of 1942 book or other versions also.U have all the > material & capability .Bcoz some of us are reading orginal books but > other innocent readers are seeking hindi books & we recommend ur > book as REAL BOOK. Bcoz only u are the Urdu expert or > transliterater ,who is concerned with the transliterated lalkitab, > specially with a team of knowing URDU. I know it was a challenging > work for a single person ,but now this book is an effort of the > group of same linguists.So u shud publish a " correction list of > misprints & errors " as soon as possible. I know it is a hard job but > for the sake of lalkitab u shud publish. Otherwise saying " DALDA > BOOKS " for other hindi Lalkitabs, will be a childish activity of > some reputed personalities. > With Regards > Pt.Lalkitabee > V.Shukla > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 adarneeya Mahajan ji, jo shabd likha hai woh 'gar' likha hai. agar 'ghar' likha hota to shayad ap ki baat theek hoti. ap ka sujhav dene ke liye dhanyavad, sadar, Varun Trivedi , " mts3434 " <mts3434 wrote: > > Sir, > > > aap kis chakar mein ulajh gaye kyon urdu ke liye sirkhapai kar rahe > ho? abb agar hindi mein dekhen to kyon nahi ye keh sakte ki ghar vaan ( jaise puttar-vaan ) matlab ki agar ghar ke west deewar kachi ho to ghar-vaan zyada ghar ( makan ) honge. kyonki makan ko hum aaj bhee ghar boltey hain. > > mahajan--- > > > > > In , Yograj Prabhakar > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vipin Bhai > > > > I thank you very much for your concern and the faith you have shown > in me. I will rectify every possible mistakes from the book and will > upload a Darustee-namaa as soon as possible. I request every mate > including you to point out such errors. > > > > Kulbir Bhai, I confess and confirm that the correct word in > question is " Taiy " not " Na " I agree with you that this particular > mistake has changed (rather spoiled) the whole meanings. I will not > give any silly excuse for this. For me this is a criminal mistake, > and mistake is a mistake. I never had any doubt whatsoever in my > mind regarding your sincerity, you were, you are, and hopefully will > remain my well wisher in the truest sense and continue to guide me in > future. > > > > Varun jee, the word you mentioned as " Garda (n) " is incorrect. The > correct word is " Gar Vaan " . " Gar " means " If " and " Vaan " > means " There " . Perhaps you mistook the Urdu alphabet " Vayo " > as " Daal " in this instance. I too committed a similar mistake and > misjudged " Taiy " as " Na " as one " Nukta " was missing from " Taiy " in > the Urdu page. > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote: > Bhai Yograj Ji > > > > I also confirmed from original text ,it is as legible as quoted by > > Mr.Varun.This is not only a misprint, this is an error of reading > or > > transliteration. It has been read wrong by u or ur helping hand . > So > > I think -It is urgent to make correct all phrases by reading u or > in > > ur presence.If u feel any difficulty of legibility in 1941 book ,u > > can take help of 1942 book or other versions also.U have all the > > material & capability .Bcoz some of us are reading orginal books > but > > other innocent readers are seeking hindi books & we recommend ur > > book as REAL BOOK. Bcoz only u are the Urdu expert or > > transliterater ,who is concerned with the transliterated lalkitab, > > specially with a team of knowing URDU. I know it was a > challenging > > work for a single person ,but now this book is an effort of the > > group of same linguists.So u shud publish a " correction list of > > misprints & errors " as soon as possible. I know it is a hard job > but > > for the sake of lalkitab u shud publish. Otherwise saying " DALDA > > BOOKS " for other hindi Lalkitabs, will be a childish activity of > > some reputed personalities. > > With Regards > > Pt.Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Dear Kulbir bhai, If you mean that the 4th option of 'gardaan ho' be read as 'gharvaan ho', then I would say NO. As for the 'bagh bagheeche, umda kothe , aish karega vo sada'is perfectly understandable. Even otherwise 'gharvaan' does not necessarily mean a person owning a palatial house with beautiful rooms and garden and lawns. A person owning a house of 100sq yds too will be known as a 'gharvaan' Have a nice day Varun , " kulbir bance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, Mahajan ji of Ludhiana is what we can call an expert > practitioner/follower of lalkitab. In fact he was the one who adised me to > amend a pakki deewar to a kachi deewar in west for shukr-10 by laying > additional layer of mud bricks or plastering it with pure mud which I > confirmed from ur gudself. > > Varun ji it might be coincidence but what do u say about ghar vaan as > following lines in gutka say BAAGH BAGICHE, UMDA KOTHE. Umda kothe > undoubtedly means to splendid buildings. > > kulbirbance > > On 3/12/08, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > > > Mahajan ji, there is no doubt on the issue that gar means agar IF and ghar > > means rahaish House. at various places pakka ghar and ghar as such been > > mentioned to denote residence. GaR VAn can only mean * " If existing at > > that place. " * we cannot take VAn at par with vaan as meaning > > beholder/possessor like putarvaan, rathvaan, bhagyavaan, balvaan etc. > > kulbirbance > > > > > > On 3/11/08, mts3434 <mts3434 wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > aap kis chakar mein ulajh gaye kyon urdu ke liye sirkhapai kar rahe > > > ho? abb agar hindi mein dekhen to kyon nahi ye keh sakte ki ghar vaan ( > > > jaise puttar-vaan ) matlab ki agar ghar ke west deewar kachi ho to ghar-vaan > > > zyada ghar ( makan ) honge. kyonki makan ko hum aaj bhee ghar boltey hain. > > > > > > mahajan--- > > > > > > In <% 40>, > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vipin Bhai > > > > > > > > I thank you very much for your concern and the faith you have shown > > > in me. I will rectify every possible mistakes from the book and will > > > upload a Darustee-namaa as soon as possible. I request every mate > > > including you to point out such errors. > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bhai, I confess and confirm that the correct word in > > > question is " Taiy " not " Na " I agree with you that this particular > > > mistake has changed (rather spoiled) the whole meanings. I will not > > > give any silly excuse for this. For me this is a criminal mistake, > > > and mistake is a mistake. I never had any doubt whatsoever in my > > > mind regarding your sincerity, you were, you are, and hopefully will > > > remain my well wisher in the truest sense and continue to guide me in > > > future. > > > > > > > > Varun jee, the word you mentioned as " Garda (n) " is incorrect. The > > > correct word is " Gar Vaan " . " Gar " means " If " and " Vaan " > > > means " There " . Perhaps you mistook the Urdu alphabet " Vayo " > > > as " Daal " in this instance. I too committed a similar mistake and > > > misjudged " Taiy " as " Na " as one " Nukta " was missing from " Taiy " in > > > the Urdu page. > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > Bhai Yograj Ji > > > > > > > > I also confirmed from original text ,it is as legible as quoted by > > > > Mr.Varun.This is not only a misprint, this is an error of reading > > > or > > > > transliteration. It has been read wrong by u or ur helping hand . > > > So > > > > I think -It is urgent to make correct all phrases by reading u or > > > in > > > > ur presence.If u feel any difficulty of legibility in 1941 book ,u > > > > can take help of 1942 book or other versions also.U have all the > > > > material & capability .Bcoz some of us are reading orginal books > > > but > > > > other innocent readers are seeking hindi books & we recommend ur > > > > book as REAL BOOK. Bcoz only u are the Urdu expert or > > > > transliterater ,who is concerned with the transliterated lalkitab, > > > > specially with a team of knowing URDU. I know it was a > > > challenging > > > > work for a single person ,but now this book is an effort of the > > > > group of same linguists.So u shud publish a " correction list of > > > > misprints & errors " as soon as possible. I know it is a hard job > > > but > > > > for the sake of lalkitab u shud publish. Otherwise saying " DALDA > > > > BOOKS " for other hindi Lalkitabs, will be a childish activity of > > > > some reputed personalities. > > > > With Regards > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee > > > > V.Shukla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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