Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Respected Yograj ji, Such informations help us understand the milieu of the Lal Kitab. We hope to have more of such small informations. Thank you for sharing with us. With great regards, Varun Trivedi , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected Dr. Sahib > Sa'adar Namaskar > > Sir, Sutras are neither Enuchs nor " Na-mard " , actually these are the followers of Baba (Pir) Suthrey Shah. They are nomadic people, begging is the main source of their livelihood. they usually wear a special attire while going to beg alms. They wear large steel bangles (Kada) in their arms and also keep small sticks in their hand. The beat the bangles with their sticks to announce their arrival in the area. They are not the common beggars, and dont just approach anyone for the alms, they rather approach only those who have an " agreement " with them. > They are said to be very carefree and irresponsible people. A few Suthras can still be found in the Sangrur and Bhatinda Districts of Punjab. There are lot of idioms/phrases regarding their carefree nature in Punjabi: > > Khadha Peeta Laah, > Suthrey Dumm da kee Vasaah, > > or > > Koyi marey koyi jeewey, > Suthra ghol Patasey peewey. > > Although numerous other refrences can be found regarding Suthras in Punjabi culture and literature. But I would like to mention the following lines from Encyclopedia of Sikh Literature, Guru Shabad Ratnakar, Mahaan Kosh page no.788 by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha (a very prominent Sikh scholar/historian). I am reproducing the paragraph as it is in Punjabi to give you the most authentic and historic information regarding these unique community. > > " Sammat 1672 vich Baramuley paas Barampur pind niwasee Nandey Khatri de ghar ikk balak > > dandaan samet jammya, jis nu jotshiyan de kahey vighankaari jaankey bahar sitt ditta see, Shri Guru Hargobind Sahib - jo Kashmir ton vapis aa rahey sann unhan dee nazar eh balak peya. Satguru ney daya kar ke balak uthwa leya atey vaddey yatan naal palya aur naon Suthra rakhya. Eh Gurdwarey da vadda premi hoya hai arr Guru Har rai sahib dee sewa vich vee hazir reha. Suthrey Shah bada Vilaasi hoya hai, is dee hasya-ras poorit anek kahaniyan jagat prasidh hann. Dilli de hakman ton is ney paisa hattee ugrahan da hukam prapat keeta. Is de panth da naon Suthreyshahi hai. Hunn eh bahut Suthrey Sikh dharam dey niyman nu bhula baithey hann. Dandey bajaa ke hattiyan ton mangdey hann.... " > > In simple english: > > In samvat 1672 a boy having teeth was born in the house of one Mr. Nanda Khatri (Kshatriya) in the village Baraampur near Baramula. He was thrown away since declared ominous by the astrologers. Guru Hargobind Singh ji who was returning back from Kashmir, picked up the baby and adopted him. Guru Sahib raised that baby and named him Suthrey Shah. He (Suthrey Shah) also remained in the service of Guru Har Rai ji. He was fond of all worldly pleasures. His humorous stories are famous world over. He acquired the authorization to collect one paisa each from every shop from the federal rulers. His cult is known as SuthreyShahi. Most of these Suthras are no longer believes in the principles of the Sikh traditions. Now the use to beg alms from shops by beating their sticks....... > > (Hope moderators will forgive me for wasting so much of precious space of the forum). > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > dear Yograjji, > could suthra mean 'enunch' or 'namard' as afeem is sometimes also taken as a sex tonic in Malwa. > Of course, the word is suthra as there is no 'a' maatra with 's' or 'th'. > with best wishes; > sincerely, > kiranjeet > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 dear yograjji, Thanks a lot. It is really amazing to see how well read u all r. with best wishes; sincerely, kiranjeet Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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