Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Dear Kulbir Bhai, The 1952 ed on page 1150 gives an entire list of planets and the diseases associated with that planet. For mercury it says: " chechak,dimaghi dhanche ki beemariyan,khushbu badbu ka pata na lagana, naadiyon,zubaan ya danton ki beemariyan " You can see for yourself that Pandit ji has placed the diseases of the head [ dimaghi danchaa ] and the nerves [ naadiyon ] under the karakatwa of mercury. I believe a similar list exists in the 1942 ed. Regards, Varun , " kulbirbance " <kulbirbainz wrote: > > Varun ji; > i beg to disagree > > 1. in rahu khanna no.1 a disease malikhuuliya has been mentioned, > which is a resultant of nervous disorder. > 2. rahu in 10 with moon in 4 leads to dimaag fate ya sar fat jaye. > > sincerely > > kulbir > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhupinder ji, > > > > Just expanding what Kulbir bhai has said: > > > > Yes you are right that the nerves and the system of nerves falls > > under the karakatwa of Mercury. When the rahu component of mercury > > gets poisonous it affects the nerves, specially of the brain. > > Disorder of the nerves can be one of the malefic affects of the > > Mercury.Maleficity of Mercury could be reflected in other ways > also. > > > > It is for this reason that the nose piercing is advised whenever > the > > mercury gets malefic so that the poison gets drained out. This > could > > be because of the Rahu as one of the Masnuyee components. > > > > In the context of a snake bite curing 'adhrang', it is the poison > > killing the poison; the poison of Rahu gets cured through the > poison > > of the snake; so I think. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > bhupinder ji; > > > > > > in 1942 edition under introductory part of Rahu, it is > > > written that JISM KE HISSON ME DIMAG KI NAKAL O HARKAT MAANA HAI. > > > > > > > > > KULBIR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , " kulbir bance " > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhupinder, > > > > > > > > Budh = brahspat + RAHU. isn't it. > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/6/08, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it that nervous system is controlled by Budh? > > > > > > > > > > Pls confirm. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > Bhupinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kulbirbance <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thakur ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adhrang paralysis of body is resultanat of nervous > > > > > > disorder or > > > > > > failure of nervous control, thus coming under rahu > > > > > > (dimaagi bimari). > > > > > > rahu can be controled by moon or mars. here by > > > > > > stinging of snake the > > > > > > effect of moon is strengthened 3 fold, which helps > > > > > > in restoration of > > > > > > nervous disorder. this is how nesh (dank) turns into > > > > > > Gnaesh (ketu) > > > > > > i.e. a new life of the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > klulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " kulbirbance " > > > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under Moon Saturn combination " jahan shani ka > > > > > > prabhav > > > > > > > acha hoga usme 1/3 hissa chandra ka bura shamil > > > > > > hoga aur jahan > > > > > > > chandr ka prabhav acha hoga wayan shani ka 3 guna > > > > > > bura prabhav > > > > > > > shamil hoga. " (neech ketu)ab kissi ik grah ke acha > > > > > > ya bura karne se > > > > > > > totality me insaan par kya prabhav padhta hai, yeh > > > > > > zaroori hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > > > > > > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Kitabee Ji, > > > > > > > > wallah, > > > > > > > > Kya lalkitaab mein likha hai ki Jis grah ko bura > > > > > > kar liya jaaye > > > > > > Weh > > > > > > > > achha nateeza de gaa. Aapka Baar baar kahana ke > > > > > > Agar Shani nek ho > > > > > > > > tabhi achha nateeza dega kuchh azeeb saa laga. > > > > > > Kaya koyi aisa > > > > > > grah > > > > > > > > bhee hai jis ko kharaab karliya jaaye aur veh > > > > > > achha nateezaa > > > > > > dega. > > > > > > > > Bhai lalkitab mein jahan kahin bhee yeh likha > > > > > > hai kee falaan grah > > > > > > > > achha yaa falaan grah nek nateeza dega us kaa > > > > > > matlab hee yehi > > > > > > hota > > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > kee voh grah jab tak nek rakha jaavay tabhi taq. > > > > > > > > Bhai Ghar kee chhat tabhi taak leak nahin karegi > > > > > > jab taq us ko > > > > > > > theek > > > > > > > > aur darust rakha jaaye, Agar us mein keel thok > > > > > > kar chhed karogay > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > paani to chovega hee > > > > > > > > chaahe kitna pakka lenter ho. > > > > > > > > Baaqi jo Yeh itni badi discussion huyi hai " Nesh > > > > > > se Ganesh Ki " > > > > > > aap > > > > > > > > sabhi ke liye main us ko neechay likh raha > > > > > > hoon:- > > > > > > > > " Sanichar syah rang kaa saanp,Maut ka yam Khud > > > > > > Uday -doosron kop > > > > > > > udaavey. > > > > > > > > Ichhiyadhaari > > > > > > > > to sabh ko taarey-kaala rang sab per chadhay, > > > > > > magar > > > > > > > > kaalay rang per koyi naa chadhey,nesh (Dang) se > > > > > > ganesh hovey, > > > > > > > machhli > > > > > > > > ke anday, magar machh kaa pet, qabeela badhey. > > > > > > > > Ulat > > > > > > > > To marey. " > > > > > > > > Abb aagey aap wali baat hai > > > > > > > > Nek ho to Ichhiyadhari aur ulat ho to sabh kucch > > > > > > ujaadey. > > > > > > > > Charcha jaari rakhen. Nateeza jaroor niklega > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aapka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Respected Kalsi Ji* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *U r adopting the style ,by which only lines > > > > > > of lalkitab r > > > > > > > aquiring web > > > > > > > > > space till present. Though I wil try to make > > > > > > my vision to > > > > > > > graspable within > > > > > > > > > lalkitab. My views r with the heading of > > > > > > Lalkitabee Uvaach :- > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > highlited portion of combined mail of Tyagi Ji > > > > > > & u. Plz read as > > > > > > > below:-* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Regards* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla * > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- -- > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- -- > - > > > > > > > > > Dear kalsi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have answered your comments on my > > > > > > observations within > > > > > > brackets > > > > > > > in bold > > > > > > > > > blue letters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope Pt. lalkitabee ji will also answer your > > > > > > comments on his > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cahndra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Shukla Ji & Tyagi Ji, > > > > > > > > > thanks for for answering my queries. > > > > > > > > > My qerries are in Bold, Tyagi ji Views & > > > > > > yours Endorsement in > > > > > > > normal text > > > > > > > > > and only yours View in Italic Blue. " > > > > > > > > > I try to put my point view in these factors: > > > > > > Mine is in red > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Tyagi's View > > > > > > > > > I have tried to answer your questions in the > > > > > > same order you had > > > > > > > > > posed them. > > > > > > > > > I am carrying the debate forward, and if Pt. > > > > > > Lalkitabee ji so > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > he can also join in later, may be to add to > > > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the answers to your queries > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1. In Khana No. 4 it is written that if > > > > > > native has Faaliz or > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > disease the items of saturn will help him.* > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Yes, only if the Saturn is Nek. > > > > > > > > > *Does not matter in case of Saturn in House no > > > > > > 4, Please refer > > > > > > > page 210 > > > > > > > > > line 7 of 1942.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ It is not said in line # 7. It is said in > > > > > > line #10-11 " > > > > > > uska > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > > _______________ > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Varun ji, Doesn't naddian means veins or arteries, dhanchi ki bimari and dhanche me mimari have different aspects. sincerely kulbir On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Dear Kulbir Bhai,The 1952 ed on page 1150 gives an entire list of planets and the diseases associated with that planet.For mercury it says: " chechak,dimaghi dhanche ki beemariyan,khushbu badbu ka pata na lagana, naadiyon,zubaan ya danton ki beemariyan " You can see for yourself that Pandit ji has placed the diseases of the head [ dimaghi danchaa ] and the nerves [ naadiyon ] under the karakatwa of mercury. I believe a similar list exists in the 1942 ed.Regards,Varun , " kulbirbance " <kulbirbainz wrote:>> Varun ji;> i beg to disagree> > 1. in rahu khanna no.1 a disease malikhuuliya has been mentioned,> which is a resultant of nervous disorder.> 2. rahu in 10 with moon in 4 leads to dimaag fate ya sar fat jaye. > > sincerely> > kulbir> > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> >> > Respected Bhupinder ji,> >> > Just expanding what Kulbir bhai has said:> >> > Yes you are right that the nerves and the system of nerves falls > > under the karakatwa of Mercury. When the rahu component of mercury> > gets poisonous it affects the nerves, specially of the brain.> > Disorder of the nerves can be one of the malefic affects of the > > Mercury.Maleficity of Mercury could be reflected in other ways> also.> >> > It is for this reason that the nose piercing is advised whenever> the> > mercury gets malefic so that the poison gets drained out. This > could> > be because of the Rahu as one of the Masnuyee components.> >> > In the context of a snake bite curing 'adhrang', it is the poison> > killing the poison; the poison of Rahu gets cured through the > poison> > of the snake; so I think.> >> > Regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > , " kulbirbance " > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > >> > > bhupinder ji;> > >> > > in 1942 edition under introductory part of Rahu, it is> > > written that JISM KE HISSON ME DIMAG KI NAKAL O HARKAT MAANA HAI.> > >> > >> > > KULBIR> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > -- In , " kulbir bance " > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhupinder,> > > >> > > > Budh = brahspat + RAHU. isn't it.> > > >> > > > sincerely > > > >> > > > kulbir> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > On 3/6/08, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp@> wrote:> > > > > Respected Kulbirji,> > > > >> > > > > Isn't it that nervous system is controlled by Budh? > > > > >> > > > > Pls confirm.> > > > >> > > > > Cheers> > > > >> > > > > Bhupinder> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- kulbirbance <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Thakur ji,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Adhrang paralysis of body is resultanat of nervous > > > > > > disorder or> > > > > > failure of nervous control, thus coming under rahu> > > > > > (dimaagi bimari).> > > > > > rahu can be controled by moon or mars. here by > > > > > > stinging of snake the> > > > > > effect of moon is strengthened 3 fold, which helps> > > > > > in restoration of> > > > > > nervous disorder. this is how nesh (dank) turns into > > > > > > Gnaesh (ketu)> > > > > > i.e. a new life of the native.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > > klulbir> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , > > > > > > " kulbirbance " > > > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thakur ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > under Moon Saturn combination " jahan shani ka> > > > > > prabhav> > > > > > > acha hoga usme 1/3 hissa chandra ka bura shamil> > > > > > hoga aur jahan > > > > > > > chandr ka prabhav acha hoga wayan shani ka 3 guna> > > > > > bura prabhav> > > > > > > shamil hoga. " (neech ketu)ab kissi ik grah ke acha > > > > > > ya bura karne se> > > > > > > totality me insaan par kya prabhav padhta hai, yeh> > > > > > zaroori hai.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > > > > > > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhai Kitabee Ji,> > > > > > > > wallah, > > > > > > > > Kya lalkitaab mein likha hai ki Jis grah ko bura> > > > > > kar liya jaaye> > > > > > Weh> > > > > > > > achha nateeza de gaa. Aapka Baar baar kahana ke > > > > > > Agar Shani nek ho> > > > > > > > tabhi achha nateeza dega kuchh azeeb saa laga.> > > > > > Kaya koyi aisa> > > > > > grah > > > > > > > > bhee hai jis ko kharaab karliya jaaye aur veh> > > > > > achha nateezaa> > > > > > dega.> > > > > > > > Bhai lalkitab mein jahan kahin bhee yeh likha > > > > > > hai kee falaan grah> > > > > > > > achha yaa falaan grah nek nateeza dega us kaa> > > > > > matlab hee yehi> > > > > > hota > > > > > > > hai> > > > > > > > kee voh grah jab tak nek rakha jaavay tabhi taq.> > > > > > > > Bhai Ghar kee chhat tabhi taak leak nahin karegi > > > > > > jab taq us ko> > > > > > > theek> > > > > > > > aur darust rakha jaaye, Agar us mein keel thok> > > > > > kar chhed karogay > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > paani to chovega hee> > > > > > > > chaahe kitna pakka lenter ho.> > > > > > > > Baaqi jo Yeh itni badi discussion huyi hai " Nesh > > > > > > se Ganesh Ki " > > > > > > aap> > > > > > > > sabhi ke liye main us ko neechay likh raha> > > > > > hoon:-> > > > > > > > " Sanichar syah rang kaa saanp,Maut ka yam Khud > > > > > > Uday -doosron kop> > > > > > > udaavey.> > > > > > > > Ichhiyadhaari> > > > > > > > to sabh ko taarey-kaala rang sab per chadhay, > > > > > > magar> > > > > > > > kaalay rang per koyi naa chadhey,nesh (Dang) se> > > > > > ganesh hovey,> > > > > > > machhli > > > > > > > > ke anday, magar machh kaa pet, qabeela badhey.> > > > > > > > Ulat> > > > > > > > To marey. " > > > > > > > > Abb aagey aap wali baat hai > > > > > > > > Nek ho to Ichhiyadhari aur ulat ho to sabh kucch> > > > > > ujaadey.> > > > > > > > Charcha jaari rakhen. Nateeza jaroor niklega > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > aapka> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *Respected Kalsi Ji*> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *U r adopting the style ,by which only lines> > > > > > of lalkitab r> > > > > > > aquiring web> > > > > > > > > space till present. Though I wil try to make > > > > > > my vision to> > > > > > > graspable within> > > > > > > > > lalkitab. My views r with the heading of> > > > > > Lalkitabee Uvaach :- > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > highlited portion of combined mail of Tyagi Ji> > > > > > & u. Plz read as> > > > > > > below:-* > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *With Regards*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla * > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------- > --> > > > > > --> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ---------------------------> -- > > --> > > --> > > > > > --> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------- --> -> > > > > > > > > Dear kalsi ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have answered your comments on my> > > > > > observations within > > > > > > brackets> > > > > > > in bold> > > > > > > > > blue letters.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I hope Pt. lalkitabee ji will also answer your > > > > > > comments on his> > > > > > > > > observations.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cahndra Prakash> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Shukla Ji & Tyagi Ji,> > > > > > > > > thanks for for answering my queries. > > > > > > > > > My qerries are in Bold, Tyagi ji Views & > > > > > > yours Endorsement in> > > > > > > normal text> > > > > > > > > and only yours View in Italic Blue. " > > > > > > > > > I try to put my point view in these factors:> > > > > > Mine is in red> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sh.Tyagi's View > > > > > > > > > I have tried to answer your questions in the> > > > > > same order you had> > > > > > > > > posed them.> > > > > > > > > I am carrying the debate forward, and if Pt. > > > > > > Lalkitabee ji so> > > > > > > wishes> > > > > > > > > he can also join in later, may be to add to> > > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here are the answers to your queries> > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1. In Khana No. 4 it is written that if> > > > > > native has Faaliz or> > > > > > > having> > > > > > > > > disease the items of saturn will help him.* > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Yes, only if the Saturn is Nek.> > > > > > > > > *Does not matter in case of Saturn in House no> > > > > > 4, Please refer > > > > > > > page 210> > > > > > > > > line 7 of 1942.*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *[ It is not said in line # 7. It is said in > > > > > > line #10-11 " > > > > > > uska> > > > > >> > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> >> ________> > > _______________> > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > > > > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Dear Kulbir bhai, yes naadiyan means veins, arteries and nerves. Nadiyan is a general term used for shira, dhamni etc. I think for a common man dhanche ki beemari and dhanche mein beemari would mean the same. Regards, Varun , " kulbir bance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > > Doesn't naddian means veins or arteries, dhanchi ki bimari and dhanche me > mimari have different aspects. > > sincerely > > kulbir > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > The 1952 ed on page 1150 gives an entire list of planets and the > > diseases associated with that planet. > > > > For mercury it says: > > > > " chechak,dimaghi dhanche ki beemariyan,khushbu badbu ka pata na > > lagana, naadiyon,zubaan ya danton ki beemariyan " > > > > You can see for yourself that Pandit ji has placed the diseases of > > the head [ dimaghi danchaa ] and the nerves [ naadiyon ] under the > > karakatwa of mercury. > > > > I believe a similar list exists in the 1942 ed. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun > > > > <% 40>, > > " kulbirbance " > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > i beg to disagree > > > > > > 1. in rahu khanna no.1 a disease malikhuuliya has been mentioned, > > > which is a resultant of nervous disorder. > > > 2. rahu in 10 with moon in 4 leads to dimaag fate ya sar fat jaye. > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40>, > > " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhupinder ji, > > > > > > > > Just expanding what Kulbir bhai has said: > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that the nerves and the system of nerves falls > > > > under the karakatwa of Mercury. When the rahu component of > > mercury > > > > gets poisonous it affects the nerves, specially of the brain. > > > > Disorder of the nerves can be one of the malefic affects of the > > > > Mercury.Maleficity of Mercury could be reflected in other ways > > > also. > > > > > > > > It is for this reason that the nose piercing is advised whenever > > > the > > > > mercury gets malefic so that the poison gets drained out. This > > > could > > > > be because of the Rahu as one of the Masnuyee components. > > > > > > > > In the context of a snake bite curing 'adhrang', it is the poison > > > > killing the poison; the poison of Rahu gets cured through the > > > poison > > > > of the snake; so I think. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40>, > > " kulbirbance " > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > bhupinder ji; > > > > > > > > > > in 1942 edition under introductory part of Rahu, it is > > > > > written that JISM KE HISSON ME DIMAG KI NAKAL O HARKAT MAANA > > HAI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KULBIR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In <% 40>, > > " kulbir bance " > > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhupinder, > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh = brahspat + RAHU. isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/6/08, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp@> wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it that nervous system is controlled by Budh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls confirm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhupinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kulbirbance <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thakur ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adhrang paralysis of body is resultanat of nervous > > > > > > > > disorder or > > > > > > > > failure of nervous control, thus coming under rahu > > > > > > > > (dimaagi bimari). > > > > > > > > rahu can be controled by moon or mars. here by > > > > > > > > stinging of snake the > > > > > > > > effect of moon is strengthened 3 fold, which helps > > > > > > > > in restoration of > > > > > > > > nervous disorder. this is how nesh (dank) turns into > > > > > > > > Gnaesh (ketu) > > > > > > > > i.e. a new life of the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > klulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40> > > , > > > > > > > > " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under Moon Saturn combination " jahan shani ka > > > > > > > > prabhav > > > > > > > > > acha hoga usme 1/3 hissa chandra ka bura shamil > > > > > > > > hoga aur jahan > > > > > > > > > chandr ka prabhav acha hoga wayan shani ka 3 guna > > > > > > > > bura prabhav > > > > > > > > > shamil hoga. " (neech ketu)ab kissi ik grah ke acha > > > > > > > > ya bura karne se > > > > > > > > > totality me insaan par kya prabhav padhta hai, yeh > > > > > > > > zaroori hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40> > > , > > > > > > > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > > > > > > > > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Kitabee Ji, > > > > > > > > > > wallah, > > > > > > > > > > Kya lalkitaab mein likha hai ki Jis grah ko bura > > > > > > > > kar liya jaaye > > > > > > > > Weh > > > > > > > > > > achha nateeza de gaa. Aapka Baar baar kahana ke > > > > > > > > Agar Shani nek ho > > > > > > > > > > tabhi achha nateeza dega kuchh azeeb saa laga. > > > > > > > > Kaya koyi aisa > > > > > > > > grah > > > > > > > > > > bhee hai jis ko kharaab karliya jaaye aur veh > > > > > > > > achha nateezaa > > > > > > > > dega. > > > > > > > > > > Bhai lalkitab mein jahan kahin bhee yeh likha > > > > > > > > hai kee falaan grah > > > > > > > > > > achha yaa falaan grah nek nateeza dega us kaa > > > > > > > > matlab hee yehi > > > > > > > > hota > > > > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > > > kee voh grah jab tak nek rakha jaavay tabhi taq. > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Ghar kee chhat tabhi taak leak nahin karegi > > > > > > > > jab taq us ko > > > > > > > > > theek > > > > > > > > > > aur darust rakha jaaye, Agar us mein keel thok > > > > > > > > kar chhed karogay > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > paani to chovega hee > > > > > > > > > > chaahe kitna pakka lenter ho. > > > > > > > > > > Baaqi jo Yeh itni badi discussion huyi hai " Nesh > > > > > > > > se Ganesh Ki " > > > > > > > > aap > > > > > > > > > > sabhi ke liye main us ko neechay likh raha > > > > > > > > hoon:- > > > > > > > > > > " Sanichar syah rang kaa saanp,Maut ka yam Khud > > > > > > > > Uday -doosron kop > > > > > > > > > udaavey. > > > > > > > > > > Ichhiyadhaari > > > > > > > > > > to sabh ko taarey-kaala rang sab per chadhay, > > > > > > > > magar > > > > > > > > > > kaalay rang per koyi naa chadhey,nesh (Dang) se > > > > > > > > ganesh hovey, > > > > > > > > > machhli > > > > > > > > > > ke anday, magar machh kaa pet, qabeela badhey. > > > > > > > > > > Ulat > > > > > > > > > > To marey. " > > > > > > > > > > Abb aagey aap wali baat hai > > > > > > > > > > Nek ho to Ichhiyadhari aur ulat ho to sabh kucch > > > > > > > > ujaadey. > > > > > > > > > > Charcha jaari rakhen. Nateeza jaroor niklega > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aapka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Respected Kalsi Ji* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *U r adopting the style ,by which only lines > > > > > > > > of lalkitab r > > > > > > > > > aquiring web > > > > > > > > > > > space till present. Though I wil try to make > > > > > > > > my vision to > > > > > > > > > graspable within > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab. My views r with the heading of > > > > > > > > Lalkitabee Uvaach :- > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > highlited portion of combined mail of Tyagi Ji > > > > > > > > & u. Plz read as > > > > > > > > > below:-* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Regards* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla * > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- --- > > -- > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- --- > > -- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------- --- > > -- > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kalsi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have answered your comments on my > > > > > > > > observations within > > > > > > > > brackets > > > > > > > > > in bold > > > > > > > > > > > blue letters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope Pt. lalkitabee ji will also answer your > > > > > > > > comments on his > > > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cahndra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Shukla Ji & Tyagi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for for answering my queries. > > > > > > > > > > > My qerries are in Bold, Tyagi ji Views & > > > > > > > > yours Endorsement in > > > > > > > > > normal text > > > > > > > > > > > and only yours View in Italic Blue. " > > > > > > > > > > > I try to put my point view in these factors: > > > > > > > > Mine is in red > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Tyagi's View > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to answer your questions in the > > > > > > > > same order you had > > > > > > > > > > > posed them. > > > > > > > > > > > I am carrying the debate forward, and if Pt. > > > > > > > > Lalkitabee ji so > > > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > he can also join in later, may be to add to > > > > > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the answers to your queries > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1. In Khana No. 4 it is written that if > > > > > > > > native has Faaliz or > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > disease the items of saturn will help him.* > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Yes, only if the Saturn is Nek. > > > > > > > > > > > *Does not matter in case of Saturn in House no > > > > > > > > 4, Please refer > > > > > > > > > page 210 > > > > > > > > > > > line 7 of 1942.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ It is not said in line # 7. It is said in > > > > > > > > line #10-11 " > > > > > > > > uska > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > > > > know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Varun ji; i think nervous system is related to NASSEIEN (NERVES) kulbir , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > yes naadiyan means veins, arteries and nerves. Nadiyan is a general > term used for shira, dhamni etc. > I think for a common man dhanche ki beemari and dhanche mein beemari > would mean the same. > > Regards, > > Varun , " kulbir bance " > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > Varun ji, > > > > Doesn't naddian means veins or arteries, dhanchi ki bimari and > dhanche me > > mimari have different aspects. > > > > sincerely > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:41 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > The 1952 ed on page 1150 gives an entire list of planets and the > > > diseases associated with that planet. > > > > > > For mercury it says: > > > > > > " chechak,dimaghi dhanche ki beemariyan,khushbu badbu ka pata na > > > lagana, naadiyon,zubaan ya danton ki beemariyan " > > > > > > You can see for yourself that Pandit ji has placed the diseases > of > > > the head [ dimaghi danchaa ] and the nerves [ naadiyon ] under > the > > > karakatwa of mercury. > > > > > > I believe a similar list exists in the 1942 ed. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun > > > > > > <% > 40>, > > > " kulbirbance " > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > > i beg to disagree > > > > > > > > 1. in rahu khanna no.1 a disease malikhuuliya has been > mentioned, > > > > which is a resultant of nervous disorder. > > > > 2. rahu in 10 with moon in 4 leads to dimaag fate ya sar fat > jaye. > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <% > 40>, > > > " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhupinder ji, > > > > > > > > > > Just expanding what Kulbir bhai has said: > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right that the nerves and the system of nerves > falls > > > > > under the karakatwa of Mercury. When the rahu component of > > > mercury > > > > > gets poisonous it affects the nerves, specially of the brain. > > > > > Disorder of the nerves can be one of the malefic affects of > the > > > > > Mercury.Maleficity of Mercury could be reflected in other > ways > > > > also. > > > > > > > > > > It is for this reason that the nose piercing is advised > whenever > > > > the > > > > > mercury gets malefic so that the poison gets drained out. > This > > > > could > > > > > be because of the Rahu as one of the Masnuyee components. > > > > > > > > > > In the context of a snake bite curing 'adhrang', it is the > poison > > > > > killing the poison; the poison of Rahu gets cured through the > > > > poison > > > > > of the snake; so I think. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <% > 40>, > > > " kulbirbance " > > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > bhupinder ji; > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1942 edition under introductory part of Rahu, it is > > > > > > written that JISM KE HISSON ME DIMAG KI NAKAL O HARKAT > MAANA > > > HAI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KULBIR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In > <% > 40>, > > > " kulbir bance " > > > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhupinder, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Budh = brahspat + RAHU. isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/6/08, bhupinder johar <bsjoharsnp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbirji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it that nervous system is controlled by Budh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls confirm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhupinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kulbirbance <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Thakur ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adhrang paralysis of body is resultanat of nervous > > > > > > > > > disorder or > > > > > > > > > failure of nervous control, thus coming under rahu > > > > > > > > > (dimaagi bimari). > > > > > > > > > rahu can be controled by moon or mars. here by > > > > > > > > > stinging of snake the > > > > > > > > > effect of moon is strengthened 3 fold, which helps > > > > > > > > > in restoration of > > > > > > > > > nervous disorder. this is how nesh (dank) turns into > > > > > > > > > Gnaesh (ketu) > > > > > > > > > i.e. a new life of the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > klulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <% > 40> > > > , > > > > > > > > > " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbainz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under Moon Saturn combination " jahan shani ka > > > > > > > > > prabhav > > > > > > > > > > acha hoga usme 1/3 hissa chandra ka bura shamil > > > > > > > > > hoga aur jahan > > > > > > > > > > chandr ka prabhav acha hoga wayan shani ka 3 guna > > > > > > > > > bura prabhav > > > > > > > > > > shamil hoga. " (neech ketu)ab kissi ik grah ke acha > > > > > > > > > ya bura karne se > > > > > > > > > > totality me insaan par kya prabhav padhta hai, yeh > > > > > > > > > zaroori hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <% > 40> > > > , > > > > > > > > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > > > > > > > > > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Kitabee Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > wallah, > > > > > > > > > > > Kya lalkitaab mein likha hai ki Jis grah ko bura > > > > > > > > > kar liya jaaye > > > > > > > > > Weh > > > > > > > > > > > achha nateeza de gaa. Aapka Baar baar kahana ke > > > > > > > > > Agar Shani nek ho > > > > > > > > > > > tabhi achha nateeza dega kuchh azeeb saa laga. > > > > > > > > > Kaya koyi aisa > > > > > > > > > grah > > > > > > > > > > > bhee hai jis ko kharaab karliya jaaye aur veh > > > > > > > > > achha nateezaa > > > > > > > > > dega. > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai lalkitab mein jahan kahin bhee yeh likha > > > > > > > > > hai kee falaan grah > > > > > > > > > > > achha yaa falaan grah nek nateeza dega us kaa > > > > > > > > > matlab hee yehi > > > > > > > > > hota > > > > > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > > > > kee voh grah jab tak nek rakha jaavay tabhi taq. > > > > > > > > > > > Bhai Ghar kee chhat tabhi taak leak nahin karegi > > > > > > > > > jab taq us ko > > > > > > > > > > theek > > > > > > > > > > > aur darust rakha jaaye, Agar us mein keel thok > > > > > > > > > kar chhed karogay > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > paani to chovega hee > > > > > > > > > > > chaahe kitna pakka lenter ho. > > > > > > > > > > > Baaqi jo Yeh itni badi discussion huyi hai " Nesh > > > > > > > > > se Ganesh Ki " > > > > > > > > > aap > > > > > > > > > > > sabhi ke liye main us ko neechay likh raha > > > > > > > > > hoon:- > > > > > > > > > > > " Sanichar syah rang kaa saanp,Maut ka yam Khud > > > > > > > > > Uday -doosron kop > > > > > > > > > > udaavey. > > > > > > > > > > > Ichhiyadhaari > > > > > > > > > > > to sabh ko taarey-kaala rang sab per chadhay, > > > > > > > > > magar > > > > > > > > > > > kaalay rang per koyi naa chadhey,nesh (Dang) se > > > > > > > > > ganesh hovey, > > > > > > > > > > machhli > > > > > > > > > > > ke anday, magar machh kaa pet, qabeela badhey. > > > > > > > > > > > Ulat > > > > > > > > > > > To marey. " > > > > > > > > > > > Abb aagey aap wali baat hai > > > > > > > > > > > Nek ho to Ichhiyadhari aur ulat ho to sabh kucch > > > > > > > > > ujaadey. > > > > > > > > > > > Charcha jaari rakhen. Nateeza jaroor niklega > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aapka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/4/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Respected Kalsi Ji* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *U r adopting the style ,by which only lines > > > > > > > > > of lalkitab r > > > > > > > > > > aquiring web > > > > > > > > > > > > space till present. Though I wil try to make > > > > > > > > > my vision to > > > > > > > > > > graspable within > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab. My views r with the heading of > > > > > > > > > Lalkitabee Uvaach :- > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > highlited portion of combined mail of Tyagi Ji > > > > > > > > > & u. Plz read as > > > > > > > > > > below:-* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *With Regards* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Pt.Lalkitabee V.Shukla * > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- -- > --- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- -- > --- > > > -- > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- -- > --- > > > -- > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear kalsi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have answered your comments on my > > > > > > > > > observations within > > > > > > > > > brackets > > > > > > > > > > in bold > > > > > > > > > > > > blue letters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope Pt. lalkitabee ji will also answer your > > > > > > > > > comments on his > > > > > > > > > > > > observations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cahndra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Shukla Ji & Tyagi Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for for answering my queries. > > > > > > > > > > > > My qerries are in Bold, Tyagi ji Views & > > > > > > > > > yours Endorsement in > > > > > > > > > > normal text > > > > > > > > > > > > and only yours View in Italic Blue. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I try to put my point view in these factors: > > > > > > > > > Mine is in red > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sh.Tyagi's View > > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried to answer your questions in the > > > > > > > > > same order you had > > > > > > > > > > > > posed them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am carrying the debate forward, and if Pt. > > > > > > > > > Lalkitabee ji so > > > > > > > > > > wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > he can also join in later, may be to add to > > > > > > > > > what I have said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the answers to your queries > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *1. In Khana No. 4 it is written that if > > > > > > > > > native has Faaliz or > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > disease the items of saturn will help him.* > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] Yes, only if the Saturn is Nek. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Does not matter in case of Saturn in House no > > > > > > > > > 4, Please refer > > > > > > > > > > page 210 > > > > > > > > > > > > line 7 of 1942.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ It is not said in line # 7. It is said in > > > > > > > > > line #10-11 " > > > > > > > > > uska > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > _______________ > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > > > > > > > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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