Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Respected members, We had a great discussion on Saturn in general and on the concept of `Nesh se ganesh' in particular. The discussion originally started with Saturn in the 8th house, later it became all pervasive. Now that the discussion has reached its saturation point I am trying to summarize it before the discussion on the topic is closed. [ 1 ] Contrary to general perception and fear of the Saturn, it is established beyond doubt that the Saturn has the ability and the potential to become Ganesh. Therefore most of the apprehensions about the Saturn are misplaced. The Saturn can be a very powerful benefic provided the Jatak leads a moral life. A planet associated with a poisonous sting can turn into `Amrit' in circumstances conducive to it. [ 2 ] Since Ketu [ uchcha ] alone can be associated with Ganesh, therefore in its journey from poisonous sting [ Nesh ] to life giving Ganesh the Saturn has to have a metamorphosis through Venus into an exalted Ketu ultimately transforming itself into Ganesh. [ 3 ] Coming to the Saturn in 8th house, keeping a square piece of silver will act both as an upaya and also as a ` kasauti' to find the nature of Saturn. It is not correct to say that the square piece of silver will act as a `kasauti' alone. [ Chandra Prakash you were wrong there] If the Saturn is malefic it will be indicated through either its own karaks, like an uncle, business of construction, iron & steel etc; or through the karaks of the scapegoats it has. One of the reasons why a square piece of silver is advised for Saturn in the 8th might be that the Mars is not only the owner of the house, it is also a pakka house of the Mars. [ 4 ] Kalsi ji is right in making a reference to the Sun in the context of Saturn. Saturn is said to spare the Sun [ its arch enemy] when the Sun represents the only male progeny. In the presence of the only son and a mother-to-be [a lady in her family way] it is a folk belief that the snake goes blind. Even otherwise the Saturn doesn't harass a male planet and the Sun is a male planet. [ 5 ] The highlight of the debate has been a fantastic write up by Pt. Lalkitabee ji [ message # 1894 ]. His article is some thing which will be cherished for a long time to come. Apart from the intensity of dealing with the concept of Saturn, Venus, Rahu and Ketu and their interdependent relationship, the write up will be long remembered for its Lal Kitab style of language. One gets the same pleasant feeling reading it as one would get reading the Lal Kitab. I take this opportunity to thank Pt. Lalkitabee ji, Kalsi ji, Pt.Yograj ji , Kulbir ji and Chandra Prakash to have devoted their time and energy on the topic. With regards, Varun Trivedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Varun ji, indeed Lalkitabee SHUKLA JI's article explaining uch neech ketu , rahu and venus in respect of nature of saturn is marevellous. i will call it path breaking. chandr prakash ji mentioned that keeping a square piece of silver will act as a catalyst to indicate as told by ur gudself; " through either its own karaks, like an uncle, business of construction, iron & steel etc; or through the karaks of the scapegoats it has. One of the reasons why a square piece of silver is advised for Saturn in the 8th might be that the Mars is not only the owner of the house, it is also a pakka house of the Mars. sincerely kulbir On 3/7/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected members,We had a great discussion on Saturn in general and on the concept of `Nesh se ganesh' in particular. The discussion originally started with Saturn in the 8th house, later it became all pervasive. Now that the discussion has reached its saturation point I am trying to summarize it before the discussion on the topic is closed.[ 1 ] Contrary to general perception and fear of the Saturn, it is established beyond doubt that the Saturn has the ability and the potential to become Ganesh. Therefore most of the apprehensions about the Saturn are misplaced. The Saturn can be a very powerful benefic provided the Jatak leads a moral life. A planet associated with a poisonous sting can turn into `Amrit' in circumstances conducive to it.[ 2 ] Since Ketu [ uchcha ] alone can be associated with Ganesh, therefore in its journey from poisonous sting [ Nesh ] to life giving Ganesh the Saturn has to have a metamorphosis through Venus into an exalted Ketu ultimately transforming itself into Ganesh.[ 3 ] Coming to the Saturn in 8th house, keeping a square piece of silver will act both as an upaya and also as a ` kasauti' to find the nature of Saturn. It is not correct to say that the square piece of silver will act as a `kasauti' alone. [ Chandra Prakash you were wrong there] If the Saturn is malefic it will be indicated through either its own karaks, like an uncle, business of construction, iron & steel etc; or through the karaks of the scapegoats it has. One of the reasons why a square piece of silver is advised for Saturn in the 8th might be that the Mars is not only the owner of the house, it is also a pakka house of the Mars.[ 4 ] Kalsi ji is right in making a reference to the Sun in the context of Saturn. Saturn is said to spare the Sun [ its arch enemy] when the Sun represents the only male progeny. In the presence of the only son and a mother-to-be [a lady in her family way] it is a folk belief that the snake goes blind. Even otherwise the Saturn doesn't harass a male planet and the Sun is a male planet.[ 5 ] The highlight of the debate has been a fantastic write up by Pt. Lalkitabee ji [ message # 1894 ]. His article is some thing which will be cherished for a long time to come. Apart from the intensity of dealing with the concept of Saturn, Venus, Rahu and Ketu and their interdependent relationship, the write up will be long remembered for its Lal Kitab style of language. One gets the same pleasant feeling reading it as one would get reading the Lal Kitab.I take this opportunity to thank Pt. Lalkitabee ji, Kalsi ji, Pt.Yograj ji , Kulbir ji and Chandra Prakash to have devoted their time and energy on the topic.With regards,Varun Trivedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Respected Sirs, The debate had been quite educative. People like me had a lot to learn. The article of Lalkitabee ji was definitely the high point of the debate. We hope to see more of such discussions. Faithfully, H S Gill , " kulbir bance " <kulbirbainz wrote: > > Varun ji, indeed Lalkitabee SHUKLA JI's article explaining uch neech ketu , > rahu and venus in respect of nature of saturn is marevellous. i will call it > path breaking. > chandr prakash ji mentioned that keeping a square piece of > silver will act as a catalyst to indicate as told by ur gudself; " through > either its own karaks, like an uncle, business of construction, > iron & steel etc; or through the karaks of the scapegoats it has. > One of the reasons why a square piece of silver is advised for > Saturn in the 8th might be that the Mars is not only the owner of > the house, it is also a pakka house of the Mars. > > sincerely > > kulbir > > > > > > > > > > On 3/7/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Respected members, > > > > We had a great discussion on Saturn in general and on the concept > > of `Nesh se ganesh' in particular. The discussion originally started > > with Saturn in the 8th house, later it became all pervasive. Now > > that the discussion has reached its saturation point I am trying to > > summarize it before the discussion on the topic is closed. > > > > [ 1 ] Contrary to general perception and fear of the Saturn, it is > > established beyond doubt that the Saturn has the ability and the > > potential to become Ganesh. Therefore most of the apprehensions > > about the Saturn are misplaced. The Saturn can be a very powerful > > benefic provided the Jatak leads a moral life. A planet associated > > with a poisonous sting can turn into `Amrit' in circumstances > > conducive to it. > > > > [ 2 ] Since Ketu [ uchcha ] alone can be associated with Ganesh, > > therefore in its journey from poisonous sting [ Nesh ] to life > > giving Ganesh the Saturn has to have a metamorphosis through Venus > > into an exalted Ketu ultimately transforming itself into Ganesh. > > > > [ 3 ] Coming to the Saturn in 8th house, keeping a square piece of > > silver will act both as an upaya and also as a ` kasauti' to find > > the nature of Saturn. It is not correct to say that the square piece > > of silver will act as a `kasauti' alone. [ Chandra Prakash you were > > wrong there] If the Saturn is malefic it will be indicated through > > either its own karaks, like an uncle, business of construction, > > iron & steel etc; or through the karaks of the scapegoats it has. > > One of the reasons why a square piece of silver is advised for > > Saturn in the 8th might be that the Mars is not only the owner of > > the house, it is also a pakka house of the Mars. > > > > [ 4 ] Kalsi ji is right in making a reference to the Sun in the > > context of Saturn. Saturn is said to spare the Sun [ its arch enemy] > > when the Sun represents the only male progeny. In the presence of > > the only son and a mother-to-be [a lady in her family way] it is a > > folk belief that the snake goes blind. Even otherwise the Saturn > > doesn't harass a male planet and the Sun is a male planet. > > > > [ 5 ] The highlight of the debate has been a fantastic write up by > > Pt. Lalkitabee ji [ message # 1894 ]. His article is some thing > > which will be cherished for a long time to come. Apart from the > > intensity of dealing with the concept of Saturn, Venus, Rahu and > > Ketu and their interdependent relationship, the write up will be > > long remembered for its Lal Kitab style of language. One gets the > > same pleasant feeling reading it as one would get reading the Lal > > Kitab. > > > > I take this opportunity to thank Pt. Lalkitabee ji, Kalsi ji, > > Pt.Yograj ji , Kulbir ji and Chandra Prakash to have devoted their > > time and energy on the topic. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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