Attention Yograj Prabhakar Ji About Shani

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Thanx Yograj Bhai

Aapne bilkul theek kahaa yaani ashubh se shubh ho ,As per ur verdict

NESH SE GANESH HO is a popular Idiom.

 

lekin aise main jabki yah popular IDIOM hai to Pujya Pandit Ji

ne isi IDIOM ka istemaal kartey huye Bracket main DANG = " Sting "

kyon likha? Jabki vah saaf likh saktey they ki bad se nek ho.Main

yah bhi saaf kar dena chahtaa hoon ki NESH ka meaning Urdu aur

Parsian dono main DANG= Sting hee liyaa gaya hai aur Pandit ji ne

usi meaning ko bracket main bhi likha hai.Akhir ek popular Idiom

jiska matalab hee yahi hai ki " manhoos se shubh hove " ko samjhaane ke liye

beech main Pandit ji ne specialy bracket main DANG = Sting kyon likha? Kyonki

popular Idioms ko samajhne ke lihaaz se aisa likhna kuchh ajeeb sa nahi lagtaa

kyaa?

 

Yograj ji & Varun ji & other experts plz note my querry as a

research job & we will reach at a result soon with the help of all

of u.

 

 

Expecting ur reply Yograj ji.

 

With Regards

 

Pt.Lalkitabee

V.Shukla

www.lalkitabee.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Pt. Yograj ji,

>

> Thank you for having explained the line. It has been a great help.

>

> The word 'NESH' means a sting [ dank ]but in the local common

> saying " nesh se ganesh hua' the word 'nesh' also appears to be a

> colloquial form of the Hindi dialect word ' NESHTHA' meaning

ashubh.

> Either way it makes sense.

>

> It is not only in the Lal Kitab but in the Vedic astrology also

the

> Saturn is considered as the most benevolent giver if a jatak leads

a

> life of morality. It is said that " shani jaisa dataa koi aur grah

> nahi hai " , some thing similar to what the Lal Kitab terms

as " qalam

> vidhata "

>

>

> With lots of respect,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, Yograj Prabhakar

> <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Shukla Sahib jee,

> >

> > First of all, The correct word is NESH (Manhoos/Ashubh) not

NEESH.

> > Actually " Nesh sey Ganesh " is a popular idiom. Nesh means

Manhoos

> or Ashubh and Ganesh means Shubh in this context. It loosely means

> Ashubh sey Shubh ho Jana.

> >

> > As far as the the word " Dang " (Sarp-Dansh) is concerned it is

> referred to the Sting or venom or negativity of Shani.

> >

> > Now the question is how come the Nesh (Dang) can becomes Ganesh

> (Shubh)? Firstly, this actually is an eye opener for those who

think

> Shani is only a Paapi or a cruel planet, it can be a life giver

too

> as mentioned in the Lal Kitab.

> >

> > Secondly, I think probably this (Nesh sey Gansh) is an

indication

> towards the nature of Shani in a particular condition/situation

> where even the venom can work as a life saver..

> >

> > Please see Saneechar khana number 4 where it is clearly

mentioned:

> >

> > " Jism Nakaraah honey ke waqt Saneechar kee cheezon se sehat

> hogi... "

> > (LK-1942 Page 210 line no.11)

> >

> > " ...Agar adhrang Vagairah sey nakaraah hokar murdey ki tarah

> zameen par gir jawey toh saanp khud aakar usey DANG maar kar uska

> adhrang hatakar tandrust balki murdey se bhi zinda kar dega. Sirf

> saneechar ki mutaliqa ashiya sey mandee sehat mein Shafaah

> hogi...... "

> > (LK-1952, Page number 606, line No. 4-6)

> >

> > It is very much clear from the above examples ki kayi baar

> Sarpdansh bhi jeevan- dayee ho sakta hai. Shayad isi taraf Pundit

ji

> kaishara hai.Please correct me if I am wrong.

> >

> > Respectfully

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> >

> > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> Respected Bhai Yograj Ji

> >

> > I was looking about saturn in urdu edition at page no.201.There

> is

> > written like ---NEESH (DENG) SE GANESH HOYE.Plz clear it ,Im

> unable to

> > read it,

> >

> > plz tell me what the line reads & what is its meaning ,how

does

> it

> > becomes GANESH.

> >

> > With Regards

> >

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Respected Bhai Yograj ji,

 

 

That is ok ,but as IDIOM that phrase can be used for any planet not

for only Shani. Yah baat to samajh aati hai ki ise IDIOM ki tarah

istemaal kiya gaya hai.Lekin shani ke baarey main hee yah baat kyoon

likhi gayee? Jise Nesh kaha gaya vah ganesh kaise ban saktaa

hai? Iska Lal Kitab system ke mutallik astrological reason kyaa hoga?

Kya yah line sirf ek idiom ki tarah hee likh dee gayee hai ki shani

ek aisa jahar hai jo ki amrit bhi ban sakta hai? Yah baat to sabhi

planets par bhi lagoo ho sakti hai sirf shani par

nahin. ,kyonki sabhi planets Lal Kitab ke mutabik NEK aur BAD ki tafseel main

bandhey huye hain

 

Doosri taraf -Jahar chahey koyee bhi ho ,uske amrit jaisa banne

ke liye koyee to process honaa chahiye, uske bina to kabhi bhi koyee

bhi jahar amrit nahi ban sakta.

 

Therefore:

[ a ] How NESH (DUNG) can get transformed into GANESH?

[ b ] What is the process?

 

If u know share with us plz.

 

With Regards

 

Pt.Lalkitabee

(V.Shukla)

 

, Yograj Prabhakar

<yr_prabhakar wrote:

>

> Respected Pt. Shukla Sahib,

>

> Like " Kaag Sey Hans Ho Jaana " , " Nesh Se Ganesh Hona " too is a

popular idiom – and this certainly is not " my verdict " , it is - as

it is.

>

> Now your question, why Pundit jee used the Word Dung in brackets?

Your goodself has already answered this question by enlightening us

that Nesh means sting. If Nesh means sting in Urdu and Persian, then

the matter is crystal clear, Pundit ji unquestionably place the word

in brackets to make it straightforward for a kam-Aqal reader like me

to understand the contextual meanings of Nesh. Shukla Sahib, this is

not the solitary case where pundit ji used this bracket technique;

you can find scores of such examples in Lal Kitab.

>

> Iqbal bhai also very correctly pointed out that venom can also be

used as antidote. Probably Pundit ji too has indicated towards the

identical feature.

>

> Respectfully

> Yograj Prabhakar

>

> lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

Thanx Yograj Bhai

> Aapne bilkul theek kahaa yaani ashubh se shubh ho ,As per ur

verdict

> NESH SE GANESH HO is a popular Idiom.

>

> lekin aise main jabki yah popular IDIOM hai to Pujya Pandit Ji

> ne isi IDIOM ka istemaal kartey huye Bracket main DANG = " Sting "

> kyon likha? Jabki vah saaf likh saktey they ki bad se nek ho.Main

> yah bhi saaf kar dena chahtaa hoon ki NESH ka meaning Urdu aur

> Parsian dono main DANG= Sting hee liyaa gaya hai aur Pandit ji ne

> usi meaning ko bracket main bhi likha hai.Akhir ek popular Idiom

> jiska matalab hee yahi hai ki " manhoos se shubh hove " ko

samjhaane ke liye beech main Pandit ji ne specialy bracket main

DANG = Sting kyon likha? Kyonki popular Idioms ko samajhne ke lihaaz

se aisa likhna kuchh ajeeb sa nahi lagtaa kyaa?

>

> Yograj ji & Varun ji & other experts plz note my querry as a

> research job & we will reach at a result soon with the help of

all

> of u.

>

> Expecting ur reply Yograj ji.

>

> With Regards

>

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

> www.lalkitabee.com

>

> , " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Pt. Yograj ji,

> >

> > Thank you for having explained the line. It has been a great

help.

> >

> > The word 'NESH' means a sting [ dank ]but in the local common

> > saying " nesh se ganesh hua' the word 'nesh' also appears to be

a

> > colloquial form of the Hindi dialect word ' NESHTHA' meaning

> ashubh.

> > Either way it makes sense.

> >

> > It is not only in the Lal Kitab but in the Vedic astrology also

> the

> > Saturn is considered as the most benevolent giver if a jatak

leads

> a

> > life of morality. It is said that " shani jaisa dataa koi aur

grah

> > nahi hai " , some thing similar to what the Lal Kitab terms

> as " qalam

> > vidhata "

> >

> >

> > With lots of respect,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Yograj Prabhakar

> > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Shukla Sahib jee,

> > >

> > > First of all, The correct word is NESH (Manhoos/Ashubh) not

> NEESH.

> > > Actually " Nesh sey Ganesh " is a popular idiom. Nesh means

> Manhoos

> > or Ashubh and Ganesh means Shubh in this context. It loosely

means

> > Ashubh sey Shubh ho Jana.

> > >

> > > As far as the the word " Dang " (Sarp-Dansh) is concerned it is

> > referred to the Sting or venom or negativity of Shani.

> > >

> > > Now the question is how come the Nesh (Dang) can becomes

Ganesh

> > (Shubh)? Firstly, this actually is an eye opener for those who

> think

> > Shani is only a Paapi or a cruel planet, it can be a life giver

> too

> > as mentioned in the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Secondly, I think probably this (Nesh sey Gansh) is an

> indication

> > towards the nature of Shani in a particular condition/situation

> > where even the venom can work as a life saver..

> > >

> > > Please see Saneechar khana number 4 where it is clearly

> mentioned:

> > >

> > > " Jism Nakaraah honey ke waqt Saneechar kee cheezon se sehat

> > hogi... "

> > > (LK-1942 Page 210 line no.11)

> > >

> > > " ...Agar adhrang Vagairah sey nakaraah hokar murdey ki tarah

> > zameen par gir jawey toh saanp khud aakar usey DANG maar kar

uska

> > adhrang hatakar tandrust balki murdey se bhi zinda kar dega.

Sirf

> > saneechar ki mutaliqa ashiya sey mandee sehat mein Shafaah

> > hogi...... "

> > > (LK-1952, Page number 606, line No. 4-6)

> > >

> > > It is very much clear from the above examples ki kayi baar

> > Sarpdansh bhi jeevan- dayee ho sakta hai. Shayad isi taraf

Pundit

> ji

> > kaishara hai.Please correct me if I am wrong.

> > >

> > > Respectfully

> > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > >

> > >

> > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > Respected Bhai Yograj Ji

> > >

> > > I was looking about saturn in urdu edition at page

no.201.There

> > is

> > > written like ---NEESH (DENG) SE GANESH HOYE.Plz clear it ,Im

> > unable to

> > > read it,

> > >

> > > plz tell me what the line reads & what is its meaning ,how

> does

> > it

> > > becomes GANESH.

> > >

> > > With Regards

> > >

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > V.Shukla

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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