LK discussion group Kalsi Ji Attention - Yograj Prabhakar Ji About Shani - KALSI

March 3, 2008

Respected Shukla Ji & Tyagi Ji,thanks for for answering my queries.My qerries are in Bold, Tyagi ji Views & yours Endorsement in normal text and only yours View in Italic Blue. " I try to put my point view in these factors: Mine is in red

Sh.Tyagi's ViewI have tried to answer your questions in the same order you had posed them.I am carrying the debate forward, and if Pt. Lalkitabee ji so wishes he can also join in later, may be to add to what I have said.

Here are the answers to your queries :1. In Khana No. 4 it is written that if native has Faaliz or having disease the items of saturn will help him.[ 1 ] Yes, only if the Saturn is Nek.Does not matter in case of Saturn in House no 4, Please refer page 210 line 7 of 1942.

2. Saturn is also described here as Khooni mallah. which destroy mamoo khandaan and Jaddi jaydaad.[ 2 ] No. This is not the result of the Saturn in the 4th per se,this will be the result only if the moon is also in the 10th.

Yes, it is due to saturn presence in 4th and also due to moon effect for being in 10th. 3. Shani Kisi bhee halat mein tevay waalay kaa bura nahin karega in my view this is the house where saturn has the quality where he help the native in distress/disease even his bite can help the faliz patient to stand and run. Let us apply the rules in saturn 4 illustrated in your reply. Saturn being in 4th is having the realtionship with Moon. as per the above lines in red it become Neech Masnoyi ketu. Saturn has the deep enimity with Sun and ketu halves the sun . Now the point came in mind

[ 3 ] Yes, only if the Saturn is Nek. Therefore to say that ` shani kisi bhi halat mein bura nahi karega ` is wrong.Please read my answer to point 1or refer page 210 line 7 of 1942.

I hope you understand the difference of being with or in the companionship of as against being related through a placement. Simply because the Saturn is in the 4th house, it can not be taken

to mean that it is WITH the Moon. A masnuyee exalted Ketu can not be formed unless the Saturn and the Moon are physically together. Masnuyee planet is not formed merely by a planet being placed in a house.

As per the properties of houses the effect of owner always be there in his pakka house..4. How Neech ketu or saturn help his deep enemy Sun in distress .

[ 4 ] The masnuyee debilitated ketu is not formed, therefore the premise you have made is in fructuous.I think each & every part is crystal clear with the efforts of Mr. Tyagi . Have u included Sun incidently in point no. 3 & 4 in ur mail ? Plz correct my understanding.

your views to my querry (How saturn help his deep enemy Sun in distress ) are left inadvertantly.. No I have not included Sun incidentaly in my mail. 5. Saturn & Moon is not a good combination. Sat+Moon in 4 ( it may be wrong) may cause Purdard Maut. is it not conflicting with the above.

[ 5 ] This could be true only if the natal Moon is also placed along with the Saturn in the 4th house.yes, you repeated what i have written. 6. Venus is no where realted to the khana 4 hence making of good shani or uccha ketu is ruled out. Is the theory of involvement of venus here is right.

[ 6 ] Pt. Lalkitabee ji never said that Venus is associated with 4th house. And also never forget that Saturn can be Nek as such without the help of any other planet. Therefore your presumption that Saturn

will act beneficially only if it is helped by venus is misplaced. It is not my point of view, it is the view of one of our friend in earlier mails and Shukla ji also refered towards it. .

Saturn could be Nek in any house of the kundali if a person leads a moral life, doesn't drink, doesn't eat meat, respects the servants and is a good paymasterâ€¦ and so on. Similarly it can be very malefic

even if it is placed in the 10th house [ his own] or the 7th house [ of exlatation], if the Jatak turn it malefic through his own actions.this is not a generic rule. Some times Saturn malefic activities are fruitful to native. as in case of Saturn in House 4. The wine may help the native to cure his disease.

Secondly, a masnuyee planet is not formed by mere association [ in the sense you have used]. For a masnuyee planet to get formed, there have to be two natal planets. If and when a Venus is in the company of a Saturn, it will also result in a masnuyee exalted Ketu.

Therefore while delineating the results one will have to study Venus, Saturn and also the two together in the form of masnuyee exalted Ketu. Therefore one will have to examine not two planets but will have to keep in mind a third planet also formed as a result of

them two together. yes You are right.7. Regarding saturn 8 remedy of square silver piece.it is also used for Rahu 8. Your point that it is the Moon relation with saturn in 8th give clue is somthing conflicting. I feel that there may be some other reasons for using sqaure silver piece. if moon involvement is there in Khana

[ 7 ] Yes, the square piece of silver is also advised to find out the nature of rahu. But the indications one would be looking for will be different than when finding out the nature of Saturn with a square piece of silver. In the case of the rahu it is the Mahout [

elephant driver] which will speak. The same analogy does not hold good for Saturn in the 8th.U asked in point 7:- " if moon involvement is there in Khana 8 then there will be no need of square piece only Silver shall be sufficient. " I think u didnt read my mail carefuly. See my assert according to my previous mail in RED:--

Ooper likhe gaye example main maine abhi sirf chandi ko madde-nazar kartey huve spasht kiya hai.Lekin " CHANDI KA CHAUKOR " apne aap main ek alag hee nazariya hai .Ise fir kabhi spasht karne ki koshish

karoongaa .It is remedy given in the book. . Saturn in 8th if single, will not give bad results. Pandit Ji Said that " Chander ka upaya Karney se Shani Apne Head quarter se bahar ...... " as per your views moons association with saturn form Ketu Neech.then why we associate moon there to form a neech ketu. Why square why not round.

8 then there will be no need of square piece only Silver shall be sufficient.[ 8 ] Pandit ji has advised to keep a square piece of silver to assess the nature of Saturn. He doesn't explain it any further. It

is left to the reader to make out for himself. Suppose you have to find out the nature of Saturn through a square piece of silver :How would you go about it?How would you determine the nature of the Saturn?

How will the square piece of silver indicate the nature of the Saturn? What indications would you be looking for before declaring Saturn malefic or benefic?I assume what Pt Lalkitabee ji implies is that with Saturn in the

8th if the Jatak is given a square piece of silver to keep with him, and if the jatak experiences problem with his joints, spine, feet, ears or his son [ nishaniyan of neech Ketu ] then it can be assumed that the Saturn is malefic. If none of these indications are found

then the Saturn can be declared as nek.Planet shows it melefic or benefic nature through its articles/live things. It is a generic rule. If Saturn is melefic then the saturn related ashiyaan give bad results. If one has no problem regarding Saturn then why this remedy is required.If saturn gives melefic result then this remedy of no use. in my views There might be some hidden message in this remedy. Tyagi Ji 's above queries need to be answered by experts.

Now i will love to hear from u about this square piece of silver 1st of all. So plz explain ur criteria bcoz u do not seem novice scholar of lalkitabThanks for the compliments. I am still a novice in this field. I do not find myself to be a fit case to prescribe remedies to other. I expect the experts who prescribe these medicine to others may have correct answer.

Yours.-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)