Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Respected Manoj ji, There is no such specific Rin as 'Nirdaya Rin'. The word Nirdaya or Nirdayata is a common term denoting cruelity. If you are 'Nirdaya' towards your Father, elders, family priest you will have the Rin denoted by Jupiter; if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your mother, or elderly ladies, it will be a Rin of the Moon. The Rin of the Saturn arises if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your servants, subordinates, snakes, or blinds. If you have ever been 'Nirdaya' towards any of these then only there will be a 'Nirdaya rin' of the Saturn. The best Upaya in that case is to be nice and polite to them. Never under pay your servants. Now and then give them food [ not money in liu of food] so that they are contended and give you blessings. If you happen to find a snake in captivity, pay to get him released in a jungle. Regards, Varun Trivedi , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: > > Respected Varunji & all learned members,Namaskar. > > 1.What is the meaning of Nirdaya rina ? Is it due to the deblited saturn ? > > 2.How we can appease Moon ? > > regards > Manoj Kar > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Respected Manoj ji, The upaya of feeding fish of 100 [ not 1000] different places, on the same day is done for " Pitri Rin' arising of the Saturn. This is done as a 'prayashchit' - repentence , and is done on behalf of the entire extended family. It might sound difficult but it is very easy to do. Go to a river and along the bank at 100 different places feed the fish. It is very easily done in a day. There is no mention in the Book of feeding even 100 labourers. Although feeding the labourers could also be one of the upaya. Pitri Rin is not a common Yog in a kundali. A Pitri Rin can be declared only after three conditions laid down for it are fulfilled. The Pitri Rin of saturn will be indicated through the house. It might have incidents of fire, or has to be sold suddenly, or collapses. It can also be indicated if the hair on the eye brow or the eye lids start falling off without any reason. One can not retain the servants, that could also indicate the Rin. I do not think that the problem in one's job or job place could indicate the Pitri Rin of Saturn. Regards, Varun Trivedi , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: > > Respected Varunji,Namaskar. > > Actually i have heard several times in a TV programme of lalkitab that,When saturn is weak in a kundli,the person will suffer from " Nirdaya Rina " . & he will suffer from his career devlpoment (karma will hamper).In that case we have to feed goli made from wheat ( ata ka goli ) to fish of thousand place in the same day or we have to feed thousand labours to get rid of nirdaya rin.What does it means ? > > Pl also advise how to appease moon ? > > regards > Manoj kar > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Respected Manoj ji, > > There is no such specific Rin as 'Nirdaya Rin'. The word Nirdaya or > Nirdayata is a common term denoting cruelity. If you are 'Nirdaya' > towards your Father, elders, family priest you will have the Rin > denoted by Jupiter; if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your mother, or > elderly ladies, it will be a Rin of the Moon. The Rin of the Saturn > arises if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your servants, subordinates, > snakes, or blinds. > > If you have ever been 'Nirdaya' towards any of these then only there > will be a 'Nirdaya rin' of the Saturn. > > The best Upaya in that case is to be nice and polite to them. Never > under pay your servants. Now and then give them food [ not money in > liu of food] so that they are contended and give you blessings. If > you happen to find a snake in captivity, pay to get him released in a > jungle. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , MANOJ KAR > <manoj_kar7@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varunji & all learned members,Namaskar. > > > > 1.What is the meaning of Nirdaya rina ? Is it due to the deblited > saturn ? > > > > 2.How we can appease Moon ? > > > > regards > > Manoj Kar > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to know how. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Respected Manoj ji, The upaya is never multipied ten times, what ever the conditions. The upaya remains the same whether some body pays or not, i.e. feeding the fish from 100 different places remains the same 100 places. While collecting the money if some one refuses to contribute, you have to contribute from your pocket on his behalf. The amount contributed on behalf of those who do not pay can be the same which is contributed by others. It doesn't have to be ten times of the normal contribution. The Problem with the Lal Kitab practitioners is that they love mystifying the book and come up with such silly forms of upaya. Regards, Varun Trivedi , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: > > Respected Varunji,Namaskar. > > Thank you for ur kind reply to my query.Actually if we cannot collect money form all our family members,then we have to multliply it with 10,means thousand different places.Is it so ? Can this upaya be perform by every body ? > > > regards > Manoj kar > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Respected Manoj ji, > > The upaya of feeding fish of 100 [ not 1000] different places, on the > same day is done for " Pitri Rin' arising of the Saturn. This is done > as a 'prayashchit' - repentence , and is done on behalf of the entire > extended family. It might sound difficult but it is very easy to do. > Go to a river and along the bank at 100 different places feed the > fish. It is very easily done in a day. There is no mention in the > Book of feeding even 100 labourers. Although feeding the labourers > could also be one of the upaya. > > Pitri Rin is not a common Yog in a kundali. A Pitri Rin can be > declared only after three conditions laid down for it are fulfilled. > > The Pitri Rin of saturn will be indicated through the house. It might > have incidents of fire, or has to be sold suddenly, or collapses. It > can also be indicated if the hair on the eye brow or the eye lids > start falling off without any reason. One can not retain the > servants, that could also indicate the Rin. > > I do not think that the problem in one's job or job place could > indicate the Pitri Rin of Saturn. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , MANOJ KAR > <manoj_kar7@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varunji,Namaskar. > > > > Actually i have heard several times in a TV programme of lalkitab > that,When saturn is weak in a kundli,the person will suffer > from " Nirdaya Rina " . & he will suffer from his career devlpoment > (karma will hamper).In that case we have to feed goli made from wheat > ( ata ka goli ) to fish of thousand place in the same day or we have > to feed thousand labours to get rid of nirdaya rin.What does it > means ? > > > > Pl also advise how to appease moon ? > > > > regards > > Manoj kar > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > Respected Manoj ji, > > > > There is no such specific Rin as 'Nirdaya Rin'. The word Nirdaya or > > Nirdayata is a common term denoting cruelity. If you are 'Nirdaya' > > towards your Father, elders, family priest you will have the Rin > > denoted by Jupiter; if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your mother, or > > elderly ladies, it will be a Rin of the Moon. The Rin of the Saturn > > arises if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your servants, subordinates, > > snakes, or blinds. > > > > If you have ever been 'Nirdaya' towards any of these then only > there > > will be a 'Nirdaya rin' of the Saturn. > > > > The best Upaya in that case is to be nice and polite to them. Never > > under pay your servants. Now and then give them food [ not money in > > liu of food] so that they are contended and give you blessings. If > > you happen to find a snake in captivity, pay to get him released in > a > > jungle. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , MANOJ KAR > > <manoj_kar7@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varunji & all learned members,Namaskar. > > > > > > 1.What is the meaning of Nirdaya rina ? Is it due to the deblited > > saturn ? > > > > > > 2.How we can appease Moon ? > > > > > > regards > > > Manoj Kar > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > know how. > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Respected Varunji,Namaskar. Thanking u for the clearification of my doubt all about nirdaya rin.So if ones career not growing at all inspite of every effort & experience than what does it means,is it due to any other rina in his kundli forms due to by the karma of his forefather or by his past karma ? regards Manoj kar varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Manoj ji,The upaya is never multipied ten times, what ever the conditions. The upaya remains the same whether some body pays or not, i.e. feeding the fish from 100 different places remains the same 100 places.While collecting the money if some one refuses to contribute, you have to contribute from your pocket on his behalf. The amount contributed on behalf of those who do not pay can be the same which is contributed by others. It doesn't have to be ten times of the normal contribution.The Problem with the Lal Kitab practitioners is that they love mystifying the book and come up with such silly forms of upaya.Regards,Varun Trivedi , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote:>> Respected Varunji,Namaskar.> > Thank you for ur kind reply to my query.Actually if we cannot collect money form all our family members,then we have to multliply it with 10,means thousand different places.Is it so ? Can this upaya be perform by every body ? > > > regards> Manoj kar> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:> Respected Manoj ji,> > The upaya of feeding fish of 100 [ not 1000] different places, on the > same day is done for "Pitri Rin' arising of the Saturn. This is done > as a 'prayashchit' - repentence , and is done on behalf of the entire > extended family. It might sound difficult but it is very easy to do. > Go to a river and along the bank at 100 different places feed the > fish. It is very easily done in a day. There is no mention in the > Book of feeding even 100 labourers. Although feeding the labourers > could also be one of the upaya.> > Pitri Rin is not a common Yog in a kundali. A Pitri Rin can be > declared only after three conditions laid down for it are fulfilled.> > The Pitri Rin of saturn will be indicated through the house. It might > have incidents of fire, or has to be sold suddenly, or collapses. It > can also be indicated if the hair on the eye brow or the eye lids > start falling off without any reason. One can not retain the > servants, that could also indicate the Rin.> > I do not think that the problem in one's job or job place could > indicate the Pitri Rin of Saturn.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , MANOJ KAR > <manoj_kar7@> wrote:> >> > Respected Varunji,Namaskar.> > > > Actually i have heard several times in a TV programme of lalkitab > that,When saturn is weak in a kundli,the person will suffer > from "Nirdaya Rina". & he will suffer from his career devlpoment > (karma will hamper).In that case we have to feed goli made from wheat > ( ata ka goli ) to fish of thousand place in the same day or we have > to feed thousand labours to get rid of nirdaya rin.What does it > means ? > > > > Pl also advise how to appease moon ?> > > > regards> > Manoj kar > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > Respected Manoj ji,> > > > There is no such specific Rin as 'Nirdaya Rin'. The word Nirdaya or > > Nirdayata is a common term denoting cruelity. If you are 'Nirdaya' > > towards your Father, elders, family priest you will have the Rin > > denoted by Jupiter; if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your mother, or > > elderly ladies, it will be a Rin of the Moon. The Rin of the Saturn > > arises if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your servants, subordinates, > > snakes, or blinds.> > > > If you have ever been 'Nirdaya' towards any of these then only > there > > will be a 'Nirdaya rin' of the Saturn.> > > > The best Upaya in that case is to be nice and polite to them. Never > > under pay your servants. Now and then give them food [ not money in > > liu of food] so that they are contended and give you blessings. If > > you happen to find a snake in captivity, pay to get him released in > a > > jungle. > > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > , MANOJ KAR > > <manoj_kar7@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varunji & all learned members,Namaskar.> > > > > > 1.What is the meaning of Nirdaya rina ? Is it due to the deblited > > saturn ?> > > > > > 2.How we can appease Moon ? > > > > > > regards> > > Manoj Kar> > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > know how.> >> > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. Click here.> Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Respected Manoj ji, Not doing well professionally could be because of so many reasons,it could be because of the non-conducive dasha, inconvenient transits, bad placement of planets in the annual chart; it could be because of our own actions, or it might be part of your own past Karma. An astrologer can at best evaluate your kundali and study the influences of the planets, in the natal chart, annual chart or the transits. He can't say much about your own actions or the past karma. Only a devine soul can look into your actions or the past karma. Any way you might have to post your birth data in some other group to find out the astrological reasons for not doing so well professionally. Regards, Varun Trivedi , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote: > > Respected Varunji,Namaskar. > > Thanking u for the clearification of my doubt all about nirdaya rin.So if ones career not growing at all inspite of every effort & experience than what does it means,is it due to any other rina in his kundli forms due to by the karma of his forefather or by his past karma ? > > regards > Manoj kar > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Respected Manoj ji, > > The upaya is never multipied ten times, what ever the conditions. The > upaya remains the same whether some body pays or not, i.e. feeding > the fish from 100 different places remains the same 100 places. > > While collecting the money if some one refuses to contribute, you > have to contribute from your pocket on his behalf. The amount > contributed on behalf of those who do not pay can be the same which > is contributed by others. It doesn't have to be ten times of the > normal contribution. > > The Problem with the Lal Kitab practitioners is that they love > mystifying the book and come up with such silly forms of upaya. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , MANOJ KAR > <manoj_kar7@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varunji,Namaskar. > > > > Thank you for ur kind reply to my query.Actually if we cannot > collect money form all our family members,then we have to multliply > it with 10,means thousand different places.Is it so ? Can this upaya > be perform by every body ? > > > > > > regards > > Manoj kar > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > Respected Manoj ji, > > > > The upaya of feeding fish of 100 [ not 1000] different places, on > the > > same day is done for " Pitri Rin' arising of the Saturn. This is > done > > as a 'prayashchit' - repentence , and is done on behalf of the > entire > > extended family. It might sound difficult but it is very easy to > do. > > Go to a river and along the bank at 100 different places feed the > > fish. It is very easily done in a day. There is no mention in the > > Book of feeding even 100 labourers. Although feeding the labourers > > could also be one of the upaya. > > > > Pitri Rin is not a common Yog in a kundali. A Pitri Rin can be > > declared only after three conditions laid down for it are fulfilled. > > > > The Pitri Rin of saturn will be indicated through the house. It > might > > have incidents of fire, or has to be sold suddenly, or collapses. > It > > can also be indicated if the hair on the eye brow or the eye lids > > start falling off without any reason. One can not retain the > > servants, that could also indicate the Rin. > > > > I do not think that the problem in one's job or job place could > > indicate the Pitri Rin of Saturn. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , MANOJ KAR > > <manoj_kar7@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varunji,Namaskar. > > > > > > Actually i have heard several times in a TV programme of lalkitab > > that,When saturn is weak in a kundli,the person will suffer > > from " Nirdaya Rina " . & he will suffer from his career devlpoment > > (karma will hamper).In that case we have to feed goli made from > wheat > > ( ata ka goli ) to fish of thousand place in the same day or we > have > > to feed thousand labours to get rid of nirdaya rin.What does it > > means ? > > > > > > Pl also advise how to appease moon ? > > > > > > regards > > > Manoj kar > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > Respected Manoj ji, > > > > > > There is no such specific Rin as 'Nirdaya Rin'. The word Nirdaya > or > > > Nirdayata is a common term denoting cruelity. If you > are 'Nirdaya' > > > towards your Father, elders, family priest you will have the Rin > > > denoted by Jupiter; if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your mother, or > > > elderly ladies, it will be a Rin of the Moon. The Rin of the > Saturn > > > arises if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your servants, subordinates, > > > snakes, or blinds. > > > > > > If you have ever been 'Nirdaya' towards any of these then only > > there > > > will be a 'Nirdaya rin' of the Saturn. > > > > > > The best Upaya in that case is to be nice and polite to them. > Never > > > under pay your servants. Now and then give them food [ not money > in > > > liu of food] so that they are contended and give you blessings. > If > > > you happen to find a snake in captivity, pay to get him released > in > > a > > > jungle. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , MANOJ KAR > > > <manoj_kar7@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji & all learned members,Namaskar. > > > > > > > > 1.What is the meaning of Nirdaya rina ? Is it due to the > deblited > > > saturn ? > > > > > > > > 2.How we can appease Moon ? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Manoj Kar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > > know how. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. 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Guest guest Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Respected Varunji, Thanks for all ur valuable & quick reply. regards Manoj karvarun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Manoj ji,Not doing well professionally could be because of so many reasons,it could be because of the non-conducive dasha, inconvenient transits, bad placement of planets in the annual chart; it could be because of our own actions, or it might be part of your own past Karma. An astrologer can at best evaluate your kundali and study the influences of the planets, in the natal chart, annual chart or the transits. He can't say much about your own actions or the past karma. Only a devine soul can look into your actions or the past karma.Any way you might have to post your birth data in some other group to find out the astrological reasons for not doing so well professionally.Regards,Varun Trivedi , MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7 wrote:>> Respected Varunji,Namaskar.> > Thanking u for the clearification of my doubt all about nirdaya rin.So if ones career not growing at all inspite of every effort & experience than what does it means,is it due to any other rina in his kundli forms due to by the karma of his forefather or by his past karma ?> > regards> Manoj kar > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:> Respected Manoj ji,> > The upaya is never multipied ten times, what ever the conditions. The > upaya remains the same whether some body pays or not, i.e. feeding > the fish from 100 different places remains the same 100 places.> > While collecting the money if some one refuses to contribute, you > have to contribute from your pocket on his behalf. The amount > contributed on behalf of those who do not pay can be the same which > is contributed by others. It doesn't have to be ten times of the > normal contribution.> > The Problem with the Lal Kitab practitioners is that they love > mystifying the book and come up with such silly forms of upaya.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , MANOJ KAR > <manoj_kar7@> wrote:> >> > Respected Varunji,Namaskar.> > > > Thank you for ur kind reply to my query.Actually if we cannot > collect money form all our family members,then we have to multliply > it with 10,means thousand different places.Is it so ? Can this upaya > be perform by every body ? > > > > > > regards> > Manoj kar> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > Respected Manoj ji,> > > > The upaya of feeding fish of 100 [ not 1000] different places, on > the > > same day is done for "Pitri Rin' arising of the Saturn. This is > done > > as a 'prayashchit' - repentence , and is done on behalf of the > entire > > extended family. It might sound difficult but it is very easy to > do. > > Go to a river and along the bank at 100 different places feed the > > fish. It is very easily done in a day. There is no mention in the > > Book of feeding even 100 labourers. Although feeding the labourers > > could also be one of the upaya.> > > > Pitri Rin is not a common Yog in a kundali. A Pitri Rin can be > > declared only after three conditions laid down for it are fulfilled.> > > > The Pitri Rin of saturn will be indicated through the house. It > might > > have incidents of fire, or has to be sold suddenly, or collapses. > It > > can also be indicated if the hair on the eye brow or the eye lids > > start falling off without any reason. One can not retain the > > servants, that could also indicate the Rin.> > > > I do not think that the problem in one's job or job place could > > indicate the Pitri Rin of Saturn.> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > , MANOJ KAR > > <manoj_kar7@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varunji,Namaskar.> > > > > > Actually i have heard several times in a TV programme of lalkitab > > that,When saturn is weak in a kundli,the person will suffer > > from "Nirdaya Rina". & he will suffer from his career devlpoment > > (karma will hamper).In that case we have to feed goli made from > wheat > > ( ata ka goli ) to fish of thousand place in the same day or we > have > > to feed thousand labours to get rid of nirdaya rin.What does it > > means ? > > > > > > Pl also advise how to appease moon ?> > > > > > regards> > > Manoj kar > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > Respected Manoj ji,> > > > > > There is no such specific Rin as 'Nirdaya Rin'. The word Nirdaya > or > > > Nirdayata is a common term denoting cruelity. If you > are 'Nirdaya' > > > towards your Father, elders, family priest you will have the Rin > > > denoted by Jupiter; if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your mother, or > > > elderly ladies, it will be a Rin of the Moon. The Rin of the > Saturn > > > arises if you are 'Nirdaya' towards your servants, subordinates, > > > snakes, or blinds.> > > > > > If you have ever been 'Nirdaya' towards any of these then only > > there > > > will be a 'Nirdaya rin' of the Saturn.> > > > > > The best Upaya in that case is to be nice and polite to them. > Never > > > under pay your servants. Now and then give them food [ not money > in > > > liu of food] so that they are contended and give you blessings. > If > > > you happen to find a snake in captivity, pay to get him released > in > > a > > > jungle. > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > , MANOJ KAR > > > <manoj_kar7@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varunji & all learned members,Namaskar.> > > > > > > > 1.What is the meaning of Nirdaya rina ? Is it due to the > deblited > > > saturn ?> > > > > > > > 2.How we can appease Moon ? > > > > > > > > regards> > > > Manoj Kar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the freedom to save as many mails as you wish. Click here to > > know how.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > >> > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now.> Forgot the famous last words? 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