Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Respected Singh Saheb, In this context the help of Moon to malefic Mars is not through aspect, it is through association. The moon is acting as a cooling agent for Mars by being placed in the 'jar' root of Mars. The house # 3 and # 8 are the pakka houses of Mars, and if the moon is placed there it will cool Mars which otherwise has the capacity to burn even an ocean. With regards, Varun Trivedi , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710 wrote: > > Sir, > > While at Mars in the 4th, the lal kitab says that > > chauthe mangal mangalik hoga jala deve wo samudra ko > thanda us dam hi woh hoga aath teeje jab chandra ho > > Sir, my question is how can moon placed in the 8th or the 3rd help > the mars placed in the 4th. It will have no aspect on it. > > faithfully, > > RP Singh > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Mishra ji, > > > > You mean Sun + Merc together placed in a horoscope with Mars in the > > 4th? > > > > In that case first the 'nishaniya' indications will decide whether > > the Mars is malefic or benefic. Secondly, whether the mars is > getting > > any help through aspect or association from friendly planets like > > jupiter, moon or sun. > > > > One should not assume that the Mars in the 4th will be benefic > simply > > because the Sun + Merc exist together some where else in the > horoscope. > > > > Even otherwise the sun+merc combination should be interpreted as to > > behave like a benefic mars for the house they are placed in. This > > would be over and above the normal results of the sun and mercury in > > that house. > > > > Existence of sun and merc together has nothing to do with the > > placement of mars. The masnuyee results of this combination will be > > for the house they are placed in. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , pradeep mishra > > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > The confusion is that when in a horoscope > > > Sun+Mars = Masnoi Mangal Nek exists and at the same time > > > say either Mars is in 4th House. > > > Can we understand that Mars is Bud in this scenario. > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words....nothing hurts us. > > > > > > > > > There is no question of Bhoomika or anything,the intention of my > > writing was that > > > 1. I was not sure that the question i was asking was right or > wrong > > > 2. My question should not convey that I disbelieve in LK. > > > I was afraid of it. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > With Regards, > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > Mishra ji, > > > Answer no.1 1942 says " kamdev ki zyada rangat dono ka phal manda > > karegi���. Akela shukkr aur brahspati brabar keg rah hain. > Brahspati > > to kissi se dushmani nahin karta, magr shukkr ki kaani aurat�. > > Brahspat ke zard rang sone ya sher se prarthna karti hai aur insaan > > ke raste me ishq ki rukawat paida kar deti hai. > > > Venus comprises of 2 masnoi rahu and ketu, rahu= bure khayal and > > ketu = kaam. this is the cause of harming jupiter. so its venus that > > proves harmful and enmical to jupiter. > > > for ur information budh is also enemy of jupiter but ur question > > dosen't relates to that. > > > Answer no.2 Rahu is controlled by mangal nek so friendly > alliance, > > mangal bad destroys ketu, where is the confusion. > > > Answer no.3. Every haouse has a list of indications for mangal > nek > > and bad. check which applies to the conditions of the natives life. > > > Bhai sahib seedhe swaal pocho lambi chauri bhoomika na baandha > > karo. discussion group hai, nothing bothers or hurts us. > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > , pradeep mishra > > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected sir, > > > > > > > > I am beginner in Lk and impressed by its approach & remedial > > measures. > > > > I hope you w'nt mind, if my questions are very basic and can be > > stupid > > > > sometimes, because of my inexperience but if something bothers > or > > hurts to someone, > > > > I feel sorry in advance because it is unintentional on my part. > > > > > > > > I understand that It's a group of highly knowledgeable and > > scholar people. > > > > > > > > My question is as follows:- > > > > > > > > All excerpts are from Arun Samhita-Lal Kitab (Hare Krishna > Trust, > > Chandigarh) > > > > > > > > 1. Dushman Party > > > > Shukr ka dushman Jupiter... (Page 7) > > > > 2. ...Tamam duniya yani Lok-Parlok, Gabi Duniya ke tumam Graho > ki > > mushtarqa > > > > taquat ka maalik hai. > > > > ESSI SIFT PER JUPITER KISI SE DUSHMANI NAHI KARTA. (Contradictory > > > > to 1 above) > > > > (Page 8) > > > > > > > > Under what circumstances suhkr ka dushman jupiter hota hai. > > > > > > > > Q2) > > > > > > > > a) Dushman Party > > > > Ketu ka dushman Mangal(Bud) > > > > b) Mitr Party > > > > Mangal(Nek) ka Mitr Rahu. > > > > > > > > Q) If Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a horoscope and at the > > same time > > > > Either Mars is in 4 House i.e Mangal Bud or due to other > > conditions mentioned > > > > in LK for Mangal Bud > > > > Mars is turning into Mangal Bud. > > > > What should be the final outcome when both conditions are > > becoming true > > > > simultaneously. > > > > Can be conclude, that the final result is Mangal Bud. > > > > If yes, then under what circumstances Mars can be treated as > > Mangal Nek > > > > particularly when Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a Horoscope. > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! 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Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Respected Sir, Thank you for explaining the concept so clearly. faithfully, RP Singh , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Singh Saheb, > > In this context the help of Moon to malefic Mars is not through > aspect, it is through association. The moon is acting as a cooling > agent for Mars by being placed in the 'jar' root of Mars. The house # > 3 and # 8 are the pakka houses of Mars, and if the moon is placed > there it will cool Mars which otherwise has the capacity to burn even > an ocean. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > While at Mars in the 4th, the lal kitab says that > > > > chauthe mangal mangalik hoga jala deve wo samudra ko > > thanda us dam hi woh hoga aath teeje jab chandra ho > > > > Sir, my question is how can moon placed in the 8th or the 3rd help > > the mars placed in the 4th. It will have no aspect on it. > > > > faithfully, > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mishra ji, > > > > > > You mean Sun + Merc together placed in a horoscope with Mars in > the > > > 4th? > > > > > > In that case first the 'nishaniya' indications will decide whether > > > the Mars is malefic or benefic. Secondly, whether the mars is > > getting > > > any help through aspect or association from friendly planets like > > > jupiter, moon or sun. > > > > > > One should not assume that the Mars in the 4th will be benefic > > simply > > > because the Sun + Merc exist together some where else in the > > horoscope. > > > > > > Even otherwise the sun+merc combination should be interpreted as > to > > > behave like a benefic mars for the house they are placed in. This > > > would be over and above the normal results of the sun and mercury > in > > > that house. > > > > > > Existence of sun and merc together has nothing to do with the > > > placement of mars. The masnuyee results of this combination will > be > > > for the house they are placed in. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , pradeep mishra > > > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > The confusion is that when in a horoscope > > > > Sun+Mars = Masnoi Mangal Nek exists and at the same time > > > > say either Mars is in 4th House. > > > > Can we understand that Mars is Bud in this scenario. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words....nothing hurts us. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no question of Bhoomika or anything,the intention of my > > > writing was that > > > > 1. I was not sure that the question i was asking was right or > > wrong > > > > 2. My question should not convey that I disbelieve in LK. > > > > I was afraid of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Mishra ji, > > > > Answer no.1 1942 says " kamdev ki zyada rangat dono ka phal > manda > > > karegi���. Akela shukkr aur brahspati brabar keg rah hain. > > Brahspati > > > to kissi se dushmani nahin karta, magr shukkr ki kaani aurat�. > > > Brahspat ke zard rang sone ya sher se prarthna karti hai aur > insaan > > > ke raste me ishq ki rukawat paida kar deti hai. > > > > Venus comprises of 2 masnoi rahu and ketu, rahu= bure khayal > and > > > ketu = kaam. this is the cause of harming jupiter. so its venus > that > > > proves harmful and enmical to jupiter. > > > > for ur information budh is also enemy of jupiter but ur > question > > > dosen't relates to that. > > > > Answer no.2 Rahu is controlled by mangal nek so friendly > > alliance, > > > mangal bad destroys ketu, where is the confusion. > > > > Answer no.3. Every haouse has a list of indications for mangal > > nek > > > and bad. check which applies to the conditions of the natives > life. > > > > Bhai sahib seedhe swaal pocho lambi chauri bhoomika na baandha > > > karo. discussion group hai, nothing bothers or hurts us. > > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > , pradeep mishra > > > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected sir, > > > > > > > > > > I am beginner in Lk and impressed by its approach & remedial > > > measures. > > > > > I hope you w'nt mind, if my questions are very basic and can > be > > > stupid > > > > > sometimes, because of my inexperience but if something > bothers > > or > > > hurts to someone, > > > > > I feel sorry in advance because it is unintentional on my > part. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that It's a group of highly knowledgeable and > > > scholar people. > > > > > > > > > > My question is as follows:- > > > > > > > > > > All excerpts are from Arun Samhita-Lal Kitab (Hare Krishna > > Trust, > > > Chandigarh) > > > > > > > > > > 1. Dushman Party > > > > > Shukr ka dushman Jupiter... (Page 7) > > > > > 2. ...Tamam duniya yani Lok-Parlok, Gabi Duniya ke tumam > Graho > > ki > > > mushtarqa > > > > > taquat ka maalik hai. > > > > > ESSI SIFT PER JUPITER KISI SE DUSHMANI NAHI KARTA. > (Contradictory > > > > > to 1 above) > > > > > (Page 8) > > > > > > > > > > Under what circumstances suhkr ka dushman jupiter hota hai. > > > > > > > > > > Q2) > > > > > > > > > > a) Dushman Party > > > > > Ketu ka dushman Mangal(Bud) > > > > > b) Mitr Party > > > > > Mangal(Nek) ka Mitr Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Q) If Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a horoscope and at the > > > same time > > > > > Either Mars is in 4 House i.e Mangal Bud or due to other > > > conditions mentioned > > > > > in LK for Mangal Bud > > > > > Mars is turning into Mangal Bud. > > > > > What should be the final outcome when both conditions are > > > becoming true > > > > > simultaneously. > > > > > Can be conclude, that the final result is Mangal Bud. > > > > > If yes, then under what circumstances Mars can be treated as > > > Mangal Nek > > > > > particularly when Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a > Horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with > > > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside > Mail. > > > See how. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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