Lal Kitab Sarini and Foreign Births / Kalsi ji

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Respected Kalsi ji,

 

We a small group at Aligarh with Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji as our leader

had always maintained that a Sarini should be used for births in the

region for which the Sarini has been calculated.

 

Any way, with the most sophisticated softwares available Sarinis are

fast becoming a thing of the past. In the villages and the towns the

local pundits still use the Sarinis given in the Panchang. But then

most of the Panchangs or Jantris carry Sarinis suited to their areas.

 

Therefore the views of Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji, Chandra Prakash, and

mine are :

This Sarini should neither be used for Indian births nor for foreign

births.

 

With Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Miglani Ji,

> Very good work done. Have my compliments. we can declare the

results now but

> let other members post their results.

> I request Nirmal ji,Bhooshan Ji, Trivedi Ji,Tyagi Ji and other

members to

> give there views . this will encourage Miglani Ji and other members

to do

> work in future.

> Yours

> Shiv Dev kalsi

>

> On 11/2/07, krishna pal miglani <kpmiglani wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> > I have crosschecked the Lal Kitab Sarini for foreign births also

and I

> > have found it to be grossly inaccurate. It is not off by mere

degrees, it is

> > off by signs [ rasi ].

> >

> > I have verified the Sarini for two places south of Equator and

two places

> > north of Equator.

> >

> > I am giving the calculations here for every one to verify. At

places I

> > have rounded off the last figures. Although I have been careful,

still

> > there might be a slip or two in the calculations. I would do the

necessary

> > corrections if brought to my notice.

> >

> > Case # 1

> > Date : February 8, 1952

> > Time : 3:17 AM [ - 4hr west, no DST in 1952]

> > Place : Santiago, Chile ; [ 70 W 40 ; 33 S 27 ]

> >

> >

> >

> > Difference between Madras time and Santiago time

> > = [ 70W40] + [ 80E15 ] = 150 d 55' = 10hrs 4minutes

> >

> > Therefore converting 3: 17 AM Santiago time to Madras time =

> >

> > [ 3:17 Am + 10hr 4m ] = 5: 13 pm of February 8th [ date has not

changed ]

> >

> > While doing this step one has to be careful about the date change

> >

> > Therefore the birth time for which the Lagna is to be worked out

is 5 : 13

> > pm Madras.

> >

> > In the Sarini on February 8th the Ascendant Cancer rises at 3:15

pm and

> > sets at 5 : 37pm

> >

> > The duration of the lagna is 2hrs 22minutes. The Lagna moves 30

degrees in

> > 2hrs 22 minutes or 142 minutes. Therefore it moves 1 degree in [

142 /30 ] =

> > 4 minutes 44 secs.

> >

> > Now we have to work out how many degrees would the Lagna move in

[5: 13 †"

> > 3:15] or in 118 minutes.

> >

> > If it takes 142 minutes to move across 30 degrees, how many

degrees would

> > it move in 118 minutes.

> >

> > Through proportional value given above the Ascendant at Madras

comes to :

> > = 24 Ca 56

> >

> > Assuming that the value achieved is at Ayanansh 23 degrees

therefore the

> > correction for the 1952 ayanansh has to be done.

> >

> > [ 24 Ca 56 ] †" [ 0:12 ayanansh corr] = 24 Ca 44

> >

> > Lagna at Madras time = 24 Ca 44

> >

> > The actual Ascendant achieved through a software is 18 Sa 01

> > * *

> > *This is for every one to see, the sarini gives the lagna at

Kark 24 d 44

> > , where as the actual lagna is Dhanu at 18 d 01*

> >

> >

> > Case # 2

> > Date : February 22 , 1962

> > Time : 3 : 10 PM [ + 2 hrs east , no DST ]

> > Place : Cape Town , South Africa [ 18E22 ; 33 S 55 ]

> >

> > Difference between Cape Town and Madras 4hrs 8min

> > Converting 3:10 PM Cape Town time to Madras we get = 7: 18 PM

> > Lagna for 7 : 18 pm on Feb22, through the Sarini comes out at =

2Vi45

> >

> > The procedure to work out the lagna has been explained in the

previous

> > case.

> >

> > Ayanansh correction [ 2 Vi 45 ] †" [ 0 : 20 ]

> >

> > The Lagna at Madras time = 2 Vi 25

> >

> > The actual Lagna through the software comes out at = 28 Ta 29

> >

> > *Once again the sarini gives the lagna at Kanya 2d 25 where as

the actual

> > lagna is at Brishabh 28 d 29*

> >

> > * *

> > *IMPORTANT :* The lagna for all places south of Equator will be

hugely

> > wrong. When the Lagna for places in the south latitudes are

worked out

> > through the Ephemeris than two corrections have to be made, one

of adding 12

> > hours to the ST and the other adding / subtracting 6 signs to the

lagna

> > acquired.

> >

> > Since the Sarinis are calculated for a particular longitude and

latitude

> > the two corrections mentioned above cannot be made. There is no

known method

> > to apply those corrections to a sarini. That is yet another

reason why a

> > Sarini should not be used for places beyond the region it has been

> > calculated for.

> >

> > Case # 3

> > Date : March 12, 1972

> > Time : 10 : 41 PM [ + 1 hr east, no DST ]

> > Place : Oslo , Norway [ 10 E 45 ; 59 N 55 ]

> >

> > Difference between Oslo time and Madras time = 4 hr 38 min

> >

> > Converting 10 : 41 PM Oslo time on March 12th to Madras time we

get:

> >

> > Madras time at 3 : 19 AM March 13th [ the date has changed ]

> >

> > The Ascendant through the sarini works out at =

> >

> > [ 5 Cap 38 ] †" [ 0 : 28 ayanansh corr]

> >

> > Lagna at Madras time = 5 Cap 10

> >

> > The actual Ascendant worked out through a software is : 11 Li 33

> >

> > *The huge difference is for all to see. The sarini gives Makar at

5 d 10

> > where as the actual Lagna is at Tula 11 d 33*

> >

> >

> > Case # 4

> > Date : March 22, 1982

> > Time : 4 : 43 PM [ - 5 hrs west; no DST ]

> > Place : Ottawa , Canada [ 75 W 42 ; 45 N 25 ]

> >

> >

> >

> > Difference between Ottawa time and Madras time is = 10 hr 24 min

> >

> > Converting Ottawa time of 4 : 43 PM to Madras time we get :

> > Madras time 3:7 AM on March 23rd [ date changes ]

> >

> > The ascendant for madras time 3: 7 AM on March 23rd through the

Sarini is

> > ;

> >

> > = [ 13 Cap 14 ] †" [ 0 †" 37 ayanansh corr ]

> >

> > Lagna at Madras rime = 12 Cap 37

> >

> >

> > The actual ascendant through the software comes to : 21 Le 21

> >

> > *Once again notice the huge deviation. The Sarini gives lagna at

Makar 12

> > d 37 where as the actual lagna is Sinh 21 d 21*

> >

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> >

> >

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> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

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