Feb & March sarini examined : found grossly inaccurate

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Respected Kalsi ji,

 

I do not find any thing 'noble' about wasting time and energy on some

thing which has been proved inaccurate time and again. No body has so

far proved my, miglani ji's or Chandra Prakash ji's calculations as wrong.

 

If you are keen on doing the 'noble' job, you could do it on your

own.

 

Yes you are right our group is out of it.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Varun Ji,

> Though I am nobody to suggest and assign any task to others,but it

was done

> for a noble cause. You have done the all sorts of

> calculation for many dates but not for the assigned task. It was

better for

> you to say 'No' straight forwardly.This analysis would be a

> boon form many new aspirants. Even the astrologers having several

> years of experience with them donot know how to use sarnis. Few of

us

> are also part of that group.

> It is understood that Mr. Miglani, CP Tyagi, Varun Trivedi have

backed

> out of this cause. Let us see what the other say.

>

> Yours

> Shiv Dev Kalsi

> On 10/29/07, Varun Trivedi <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> >

> > { Let anyone cross check }

> >

> >

> > Respected kalsi ji,

> >

> > I have randomly selected different dates, different ascendants and

> > different years to verify the sarini February and March pages.

> >

> > I have tried to verify it through the soft ware and through manual

> > procedure with the help of Table of Ascendants by Lahiri.

> >

> > While using the table of Ascendants of Lahiri to calculate the ST

of Epoch

> > I have left out minor corrections of table iv [ of a few seconds

only ]. The

> > entire exercise is to find an approximate lagna through the help

of the

> > ephemeris.

> >

> > Example -1

> > February 4, 1952

> > At 1:19 pm

> > Madras [ 80E15;13N4 ]

> >

> > In the Sarini Taurus is shown to end at 1:18 pm. Therefore at

1:19 pm the

> > Lagna should show Gemini rising.

> >

> > Here are the results of verification :

> >

> > Using a software :

> >

> > The Lagna works out to 14 Ta 47

> > From Table of ascendants :

> >

> > ST at noon on Feb 4, 1952 at madras

> > [ 20-55-51 + 0-1-36 + 0-0-1 ]

> >

> > = 20-57-28

> > Therefore the ST of Epoch = [ 20 �� " 57-28 + 1-10-0]

> >

> > = 22-7-28

> > Lagna at ST 22-8 in Madras is shown as = 1-16-2

> >

> > [ 1- 16 �� " 2 ] �� " [0-0-12 ayanansh]

> >

> > = 1 �� " 15 �� " 50

> >

> > *The Lagna derived through the Lahiri Table of Ascendant is*

> > * *

> > *15 Ta 50*

> >

> > The difference of the lagna derived with the soft ware and

manually

> > derived from the Table of Ascendant is less than one degree.

> >

> > *Therefore The Sarini is off by almost 15 degrees or about ONE

HOUR. The

> > Sarini is grossly inaccurate.*

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Example �� " 2

> > Date : February 21, 1962

> > Time ; 7:9 pm

> > Place : Madras

> >

> > The Sarini says that Leo will set at 7:9 pm and the Virgo will

rise.

> >

> > *The Lagna acquired with a software is :*

> > * *

> > *22 Le 50*

> >

> > The Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants

> >

> > ST at noon on Feb 21, 1962 at Madras is : 22-2-50 [ corrections

done]

> >

> > ST of the epoch is = [ 22-2-50 ] + [ 7-0-0 LMT]

> >

> > = 5 �� " 2 �� " 50

> >

> > The lagna acquired through the Table of ascendants

> >

> > = [ 4 �� " 22-55] �� " [ 0-0-20 ayanansh corr]

> >

> > = *Lagna 22 Le 35 *

> > * *

> > The difference between the soft ware and the manually calculated

Lagna is

> > 15' which is within limits.

> >

> > *The Lagna sarini is off by more than 7 degrees or some 28

minutes. Once

> > again grossly inaccurate.*

> >

> >

> > *Example 3*

> > * *

> >

> > Date : March 5 , 1972

> > Time : 3:59 pm

> > Place Madras

> >

> > The Sarini shows that Cancer will set at 3:59 pm and Leo will

rise.

> >

> > The Lagna works out : 18 Ca 55 through a software

> > Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants of

Lahiri :

> >

> > ST at noon on March 5,1972 at Madras :

> >

> > [ 22-50-12 ] - [ 0-1-4] + [ 0-0-1]

> >

> > = 22 �� " 49 �� " 9

> >

> > ST at the epoch :

> >

> > [ 22-49-9] + [ 3-50]

> >

> > = 2-39-9

> >

> > The Lagna at ST 2-40 shown in the sarini for Madras is 3-18-41

> > [3-18-41] �� " [ 0-0-28 ayanansh corr]

> >

> > = *Lagna 18 Ca 13*

> >

> > The difference between the lagna acquired manually and through the

> > software is just 42'

> >

> > *Here again the Sarini is off by some 11 degrees or some 55

minutes.*

> >

> >

> > *Example 4 ;*

> >

> > Date : March 18, 1982

> > Time : 12:49 pm

> > Place : Madras

> >

> > The Sarini shows that at 12:49 pm Gemini ends and the Cancer

rises.

> >

> > The soft ware derived Lagna is = 16 Ge 41

> > Lagna derived manually through Table of ascendants by lahiri :

> >

> > ST at noon on March 18, 1982 at Madras is

> >

> > [ 23-41-27] + [ 0-0-33 ] + [ 0-0-1]

> >

> > = 23-42-1

> >

> > The ST of the epoch is :

> >

> > [ 23-42-1] + [ 0-40-0]

> >

> > = 0 �� " 22 �� " 1

> >

> > The Lagna shown in the Table at ST 0-22-1 is : 2-17-18

> >

> > [ 2-17-18 ] �� " [ 0-0- 37 ayanansh corr]

> >

> > = *Lagna 16 Ge 41*

> >

> > The Lagna acquired through the software and manually are the same.

> >

> > *The sarini is off by some 13 degrees or some 52 minutes. Grossly

> > inaccurate.*

> >

> > I think we have done enough exercises to verify the Sarini and

every time

> > it has been found that the Sarini is grossly inaccurate.

> >

> > I think I need not waste any more of my time on the sarini which

has been

> > found to be inaccurate many times over.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

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> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kalsi ji,

 

( A ) Could you please explain as to what was or is so NOBLE about

working out the Ascendant degrees of a foreign birth through a Sarini

which has been proved to be grossly inaccurate even for Indian births.

( B ) What made me irritated was your attitude like a head master

giving a home work to his students. The best way to go about it would

have been that you should have worked out a few cases of foreign

births and then requested others to verify by working out foreign

births based on birth data of their own choice.

( C ) For a person like me it will not take more than 5 minutes to

work out the ascendant degrees of a foreign birth through the Sarini.

Working out three or four foreign births would mean just half an

hour. But I will not take dictates from any one.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " Shivdev Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi

wrote:

>

> Dear Varun Ji,

> Though I am nobody to suggest and assign any task to others,but it

was done

> for a noble cause. You have done the all sorts of

> calculation for many dates but not for the assigned task. It was

better for

> you to say 'No' straight forwardly.This analysis would be a

> boon form many new aspirants. Even the astrologers having several

> years of experience with them donot know how to use sarnis. Few of

us

> are also part of that group.

> It is understood that Mr. Miglani, CP Tyagi, Varun Trivedi have

backed

> out of this cause. Let us see what the other say.

>

> Yours

> Shiv Dev Kalsi

> On 10/29/07, Varun Trivedi <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> >

> > { Let anyone cross check }

> >

> >

> > Respected kalsi ji,

> >

> > I have randomly selected different dates, different ascendants and

> > different years to verify the sarini February and March pages.

> >

> > I have tried to verify it through the soft ware and through manual

> > procedure with the help of Table of Ascendants by Lahiri.

> >

> > While using the table of Ascendants of Lahiri to calculate the ST

of Epoch

> > I have left out minor corrections of table iv [ of a few seconds

only ]. The

> > entire exercise is to find an approximate lagna through the help

of the

> > ephemeris.

> >

> > Example -1

> > February 4, 1952

> > At 1:19 pm

> > Madras [ 80E15;13N4 ]

> >

> > In the Sarini Taurus is shown to end at 1:18 pm. Therefore at

1:19 pm the

> > Lagna should show Gemini rising.

> >

> > Here are the results of verification :

> >

> > Using a software :

> >

> > The Lagna works out to 14 Ta 47

> > From Table of ascendants :

> >

> > ST at noon on Feb 4, 1952 at madras

> > [ 20-55-51 + 0-1-36 + 0-0-1 ]

> >

> > = 20-57-28

> > Therefore the ST of Epoch = [ 20 †" 57-28 + 1-10-0]

> >

> > = 22-7-28

> > Lagna at ST 22-8 in Madras is shown as = 1-16-2

> >

> > [ 1- 16 †" 2 ] †" [0-0-12 ayanansh]

> >

> > = 1 †" 15 †" 50

> >

> > *The Lagna derived through the Lahiri Table of Ascendant is*

> > * *

> > *15 Ta 50*

> >

> > The difference of the lagna derived with the soft ware and

manually

> > derived from the Table of Ascendant is less than one degree.

> >

> > *Therefore The Sarini is off by almost 15 degrees or about ONE

HOUR. The

> > Sarini is grossly inaccurate.*

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Example †" 2

> > Date : February 21, 1962

> > Time ; 7:9 pm

> > Place : Madras

> >

> > The Sarini says that Leo will set at 7:9 pm and the Virgo will

rise.

> >

> > *The Lagna acquired with a software is :*

> > * *

> > *22 Le 50*

> >

> > The Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants

> >

> > ST at noon on Feb 21, 1962 at Madras is : 22-2-50 [ corrections

done]

> >

> > ST of the epoch is = [ 22-2-50 ] + [ 7-0-0 LMT]

> >

> > = 5 †" 2 †" 50

> >

> > The lagna acquired through the Table of ascendants

> >

> > = [ 4 †" 22-55] †" [ 0-0-20 ayanansh corr]

> >

> > = *Lagna 22 Le 35 *

> > * *

> > The difference between the soft ware and the manually calculated

Lagna is

> > 15' which is within limits.

> >

> > *The Lagna sarini is off by more than 7 degrees or some 28

minutes. Once

> > again grossly inaccurate.*

> >

> >

> > *Example 3*

> > * *

> >

> > Date : March 5 , 1972

> > Time : 3:59 pm

> > Place Madras

> >

> > The Sarini shows that Cancer will set at 3:59 pm and Leo will

rise.

> >

> > The Lagna works out : 18 Ca 55 through a software

> > Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants of

Lahiri :

> >

> > ST at noon on March 5,1972 at Madras :

> >

> > [ 22-50-12 ] - [ 0-1-4] + [ 0-0-1]

> >

> > = 22 †" 49 †" 9

> >

> > ST at the epoch :

> >

> > [ 22-49-9] + [ 3-50]

> >

> > = 2-39-9

> >

> > The Lagna at ST 2-40 shown in the sarini for Madras is 3-18-41

> > [3-18-41] †" [ 0-0-28 ayanansh corr]

> >

> > = *Lagna 18 Ca 13*

> >

> > The difference between the lagna acquired manually and through the

> > software is just 42'

> >

> > *Here again the Sarini is off by some 11 degrees or some 55

minutes.*

> >

> >

> > *Example 4 ;*

> >

> > Date : March 18, 1982

> > Time : 12:49 pm

> > Place : Madras

> >

> > The Sarini shows that at 12:49 pm Gemini ends and the Cancer

rises.

> >

> > The soft ware derived Lagna is = 16 Ge 41

> > Lagna derived manually through Table of ascendants by lahiri :

> >

> > ST at noon on March 18, 1982 at Madras is

> >

> > [ 23-41-27] + [ 0-0-33 ] + [ 0-0-1]

> >

> > = 23-42-1

> >

> > The ST of the epoch is :

> >

> > [ 23-42-1] + [ 0-40-0]

> >

> > = 0 †" 22 †" 1

> >

> > The Lagna shown in the Table at ST 0-22-1 is : 2-17-18

> >

> > [ 2-17-18 ] †" [ 0-0- 37 ayanansh corr]

> >

> > = *Lagna 16 Ge 41*

> >

> > The Lagna acquired through the software and manually are the same.

> >

> > *The sarini is off by some 13 degrees or some 52 minutes. Grossly

> > inaccurate.*

> >

> > I think we have done enough exercises to verify the Sarini and

every time

> > it has been found that the Sarini is grossly inaccurate.

> >

> > I think I need not waste any more of my time on the sarini which

has been

> > found to be inaccurate many times over.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

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> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

>

>