Lal Kitab Discussion Group Feb & March sarini examined : found grossly inaccurat

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Dear Varun Ji,Though I am nobody to suggest and assign any task to others,but it was done for a noble cause. You have done the all sorts of calculation for many dates but not for the assigned task. It was better for you to say 'No' straight forwardly.This analysis would be a boon form many new aspirants. Even the astrologers having several years of experience with them donot know how to use sarnis. Few of us are also part of that group. It is understood that Mr. Miglani, CP Tyagi, Varun Trivedi have backed out of this cause. Let us see what the other say. YoursShiv Dev KalsiOn 10/29/07, Varun Trivedi <varun_trvd wrote:

 

{ Let anyone cross check }

Respected kalsi ji,

I have randomly selected different dates, different ascendants and different years to verify the sarini February and March pages.

I have tried to verify it through the soft ware and through manual procedure with the help of Table of Ascendants by Lahiri.

While using the table of Ascendants of Lahiri to calculate the ST of Epoch I have left out minor corrections of table iv [ of a few seconds only ]. The entire exercise is to find an approximate lagna through the help of the ephemeris.

Example -1

February 4, 1952At 1:19 pmMadras [ 80E15;13N4 ]

In the Sarini Taurus is shown to end at 1:18 pm. Therefore at 1:19 pm the Lagna should show Gemini rising.

Here are the results of verification :

Using a software : The Lagna works out to

14 Ta 47 From Table of ascendants :

ST at noon on Feb 4, 1952 at madras[ 20-55-51 + 0-1-36 + 0-0-1 ] = 20-57-28Therefore the ST of Epoch = [ 20 –57-28 + 1-10-0]

= 22-7-28Lagna at ST 22-8 in Madras is shown as =

1-16-2 [ 1- 16 –2 ] – [0-0-12 ayanansh] = 1 –15 – 50

The Lagna derived through the Lahiri Table of Ascendant is

15 Ta 50 The difference of the lagna derived with the soft ware and manually derived from the Table of Ascendant is less than one degree.

Therefore The Sarini is off by almost 15 degrees or about ONE HOUR. The Sarini is grossly inaccurate.

Example – 2

Date : February 21, 1962Time ; 7:9 pmPlace : Madras

The Sarini says that Leo will set at 7:9 pm and the Virgo will rise.

The Lagna acquired with a software is :

22 Le 50 The Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants

ST at noon on Feb 21, 1962 at Madras is : 22-2-50 [ corrections done]

ST of the epoch is = [ 22-2-50 ] + [ 7-0-0 LMT]

= 5 – 2 – 50 The lagna acquired through the Table of ascendants = [ 4 – 22-55] – [ 0-0-20 ayanansh corr]

= Lagna 22 Le 35

The difference between the soft ware and the manually calculated Lagna is 15' which is within limits.

The Lagna sarini is off by more than 7 degrees or some 28 minutes. Once again grossly inaccurate.

Example 3 Date : March 5 , 1972Time : 3:59 pm

Place Madras The Sarini shows that Cancer will set at 3:59 pm and Leo will rise.

The Lagna works out : 18 Ca 55 through a software

Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants of Lahiri :

ST at noon on March 5,1972 at Madras : [ 22-50-12 ] - [ 0-1-4] + [ 0-0-1] = 22 – 49 – 9

ST at the epoch : [ 22-49-9] + [ 3-50]

= 2-39-9

The Lagna at ST 2-40 shown in the sarini for Madras is 3-18-41[3-18-41] – [ 0-0-28 ayanansh corr]

= Lagna 18 Ca 13

The difference between the lagna acquired manually and through the software is just 42'

Here again the Sarini is off by some 11 degrees or some 55 minutes.

Example 4 ; Date : March 18, 1982

Time : 12:49 pmPlace : Madras

The Sarini shows that at 12:49 pm Gemini ends and the Cancer rises.

The soft ware derived Lagna is = 16 Ge 41 Lagna derived manually through Table of ascendants by lahiri :

ST at noon on March 18, 1982 at Madras is

[ 23-41-27] + [ 0-0-33 ] + [ 0-0-1] = 23-42-1

The ST of the epoch is : [ 23-42-1] + [ 0-40-0]

= 0 – 22 –1 The Lagna shown in the Table at ST 0-22-1 is : 2-17-18

[ 2-17-18 ] – [ 0-0- 37 ayanansh corr]

= Lagna 16 Ge 41 The Lagna acquired through the software and manually are the same.

The sarini is off by some 13 degrees or some 52 minutes. Grossly inaccurate.

I think we have done enough exercises to verify the Sarini and every time it has been found that the Sarini is grossly inaccurate. I think I need not waste any more of my time on the sarini which has been found to be inaccurate many times over.

Regards, Varun Trivedi

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Dear Varun Ji,

Though I am nobody to suggest and assign any task to others,but it was done

for a noble cause. You have done the all sorts of

calculation for many dates but not for the assigned task. It was better for

you to say 'No' straight forwardly.This analysis would be a

boon form many new aspirants. Even the astrologers having several

years of experience with them donot know how to use sarnis. Few of us

are also part of that group.

It is understood that Mr. Miglani, CP Tyagi, Varun Trivedi have backed

out of this cause. Let us see what the other say.

 

Yours

Shiv Dev Kalsi

On 10/29/07, Varun Trivedi <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> { Let anyone cross check }

>

>

> Respected kalsi ji,

>

> I have randomly selected different dates, different ascendants and

> different years to verify the sarini February and March pages.

>

> I have tried to verify it through the soft ware and through manual

> procedure with the help of Table of Ascendants by Lahiri.

>

> While using the table of Ascendants of Lahiri to calculate the ST of Epoch

> I have left out minor corrections of table iv [ of a few seconds only ]. The

> entire exercise is to find an approximate lagna through the help of the

> ephemeris.

>

> Example -1

> February 4, 1952

> At 1:19 pm

> Madras [ 80E15;13N4 ]

>

> In the Sarini Taurus is shown to end at 1:18 pm. Therefore at 1:19 pm the

> Lagna should show Gemini rising.

>

> Here are the results of verification :

>

> Using a software :

>

> The Lagna works out to 14 Ta 47

> From Table of ascendants :

>

> ST at noon on Feb 4, 1952 at madras

> [ 20-55-51 + 0-1-36 + 0-0-1 ]

>

> = 20-57-28

> Therefore the ST of Epoch = [ 20 –57-28 + 1-10-0]

>

> = 22-7-28

> Lagna at ST 22-8 in Madras is shown as = 1-16-2

>

> [ 1- 16 –2 ] – [0-0-12 ayanansh]

>

> = 1 –15 – 50

>

> *The Lagna derived through the Lahiri Table of Ascendant is*

> * *

> *15 Ta 50*

>

> The difference of the lagna derived with the soft ware and manually

> derived from the Table of Ascendant is less than one degree.

>

> *Therefore The Sarini is off by almost 15 degrees or about ONE HOUR. The

> Sarini is grossly inaccurate.*

>

>

>

>

> Example – 2

> Date : February 21, 1962

> Time ; 7:9 pm

> Place : Madras

>

> The Sarini says that Leo will set at 7:9 pm and the Virgo will rise.

>

> *The Lagna acquired with a software is :*

> * *

> *22 Le 50*

>

> The Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants

>

> ST at noon on Feb 21, 1962 at Madras is : 22-2-50 [ corrections done]

>

> ST of the epoch is = [ 22-2-50 ] + [ 7-0-0 LMT]

>

> = 5 – 2 – 50

>

> The lagna acquired through the Table of ascendants

>

> = [ 4 – 22-55] – [ 0-0-20 ayanansh corr]

>

> = *Lagna 22 Le 35 *

> * *

> The difference between the soft ware and the manually calculated Lagna is

> 15' which is within limits.

>

> *The Lagna sarini is off by more than 7 degrees or some 28 minutes. Once

> again grossly inaccurate.*

>

>

> *Example 3*

> * *

>

> Date : March 5 , 1972

> Time : 3:59 pm

> Place Madras

>

> The Sarini shows that Cancer will set at 3:59 pm and Leo will rise.

>

> The Lagna works out : 18 Ca 55 through a software

> Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants of Lahiri :

>

> ST at noon on March 5,1972 at Madras :

>

> [ 22-50-12 ] - [ 0-1-4] + [ 0-0-1]

>

> = 22 – 49 – 9

>

> ST at the epoch :

>

> [ 22-49-9] + [ 3-50]

>

> = 2-39-9

>

> The Lagna at ST 2-40 shown in the sarini for Madras is 3-18-41

> [3-18-41] – [ 0-0-28 ayanansh corr]

>

> = *Lagna 18 Ca 13*

>

> The difference between the lagna acquired manually and through the

> software is just 42'

>

> *Here again the Sarini is off by some 11 degrees or some 55 minutes.*

>

>

> *Example 4 ;*

>

> Date : March 18, 1982

> Time : 12:49 pm

> Place : Madras

>

> The Sarini shows that at 12:49 pm Gemini ends and the Cancer rises.

>

> The soft ware derived Lagna is = 16 Ge 41

> Lagna derived manually through Table of ascendants by lahiri :

>

> ST at noon on March 18, 1982 at Madras is

>

> [ 23-41-27] + [ 0-0-33 ] + [ 0-0-1]

>

> = 23-42-1

>

> The ST of the epoch is :

>

> [ 23-42-1] + [ 0-40-0]

>

> = 0 – 22 –1

>

> The Lagna shown in the Table at ST 0-22-1 is : 2-17-18

>

> [ 2-17-18 ] – [ 0-0- 37 ayanansh corr]

>

> = *Lagna 16 Ge 41*

>

> The Lagna acquired through the software and manually are the same.

>

> *The sarini is off by some 13 degrees or some 52 minutes. Grossly

> inaccurate.*

>

> I think we have done enough exercises to verify the Sarini and every time

> it has been found that the Sarini is grossly inaccurate.

>

> I think I need not waste any more of my time on the sarini which has been

> found to be inaccurate many times over.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

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