Feb & March sarini examined : found grossly inaccurate

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Respected Nirmal Kumar ji,

 

I am no longer interested in wasting my time on this Sarini.

 

Through so many exercises by me, Miglani ji and Chadra Prakash it has

been proved beyond doubt that the Sarini is inaccurate.

 

Let Kalsi ji go ahead with his own exercises if he so wants.

 

With regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, NKB <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Dear Varun Ji,

> You excercise is good and elaborative. But, Let us stick to the

task given

> to individual by Mr. Kalsi. Yours is

> . For Varun Trivedi Ji

> Person Name - B, DOB 15.02.1976, place Toronto,Canada, Time 15.43

> Kalsi Ji has give on date for all for differnt places.

> We will submitt the details for that only

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> On 10/29/07, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> > Respected Kalsi ji,

> >

> > ooops made a few typos. Corrections:

> >

> > [ a ] Example 1

> >

> > The difference between the lagna derived through software and

> > manually is 1d3'; had typed less than a degree.

> >

> > [ b ] Example 3

> >

> > The difference is some 11 degrees or some 44 minutes; had typed 55

> > minutes.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > Varun Trivedi

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > { Let anyone cross

> > check }

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected kalsi ji,

> > >

> > > I have randomly selected different dates, different ascendants

> > and different years to verify the sarini February and March pages.

> > >

> > > I have tried to verify it through the soft ware and through

> > manual procedure with the help of Table of Ascendants by Lahiri.

> > >

> > > While using the table of Ascendants of Lahiri to calculate the

ST

> > of Epoch I have left out minor corrections of table iv [ of a few

> > seconds only ]. The entire exercise is to find an approximate

lagna

> > through the help of the ephemeris.

> > >

> > > Example -1

> > > February 4, 1952

> > > At 1:19 pm

> > > Madras [ 80E15;13N4 ]

> > >

> > > In the Sarini Taurus is shown to end at 1:18 pm. Therefore at

> > 1:19 pm the Lagna should show Gemini rising.

> > >

> > > Here are the results of verification :

> > >

> > > Using a software :

> > >

> > > The Lagna works out to 14 Ta 47

> > > From Table of ascendants :

> > >

> > > ST at noon on Feb 4, 1952 at madras

> > > [ 20-55-51 + 0-1-36 + 0-0-1 ]

> > >

> > > = 20-57-28

> > > Therefore the ST of Epoch = [ 20 �57-28 + 1-10-0]

> > >

> > > = 22-7-28

> > > Lagna at ST 22-8 in Madras is shown as = 1-16-2

> > >

> > > [ 1- 16 �2 ] � [0-0-12 ayanansh]

> > >

> > > = 1 �15 � 50

> > >

> > > The Lagna derived through the Lahiri Table of Ascendant is

> > >

> > > 15 Ta 50

> > >

> > > The difference of the lagna derived with the soft ware and

> > manually derived from the Table of Ascendant is less than one

degree.

> > >

> > > Therefore The Sarini is off by almost 15 degrees or about ONE

> > HOUR. The Sarini is grossly inaccurate.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Example � 2

> > > Date : February 21, 1962

> > > Time ; 7:9 pm

> > > Place : Madras

> > >

> > > The Sarini says that Leo will set at 7:9 pm and the Virgo will

> > rise.

> > >

> > > The Lagna acquired with a software is :

> > >

> > > 22 Le 50

> > >

> > > The Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants

> > >

> > > ST at noon on Feb 21, 1962 at Madras is : 22-2-50 [ corrections

> > done]

> > >

> > > ST of the epoch is = [ 22-2-50 ] + [ 7-0-0 LMT]

> > >

> > > = 5 � 2 � 50

> > >

> > > The lagna acquired through the Table of ascendants

> > >

> > > = [ 4 � 22-55] � [ 0-0-20 ayanansh corr]

> > >

> > > = Lagna 22 Le 35

> > >

> > > The difference between the soft ware and the manually calculated

> > Lagna is 15� which is within limits.

> > >

> > > The Lagna sarini is off by more than 7 degrees or some 28

> > minutes. Once again grossly inaccurate.

> > >

> > >

> > > Example 3

> > >

> > >

> > > Date : March 5 , 1972

> > > Time : 3:59 pm

> > > Place Madras

> > >

> > > The Sarini shows that Cancer will set at 3:59 pm and Leo will

> > rise.

> > >

> > > The Lagna works out : 18 Ca 55 through a software

> > > Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants of

> > Lahiri :

> > >

> > > ST at noon on March 5,1972 at Madras :

> > >

> > > [ 22-50-12 ] - [ 0-1-4] + [ 0-0-1]

> > >

> > > = 22 � 49 � 9

> > >

> > > ST at the epoch :

> > >

> > > [ 22-49-9] + [ 3-50]

> > >

> > > = 2-39-9

> > >

> > > The Lagna at ST 2-40 shown in the sarini for Madras is 3-18-41

> > > [3-18-41] � [ 0-0-28 ayanansh corr]

> > >

> > > = Lagna 18 Ca 13

> > >

> > > The difference between the lagna acquired manually and through

> > the software is just 42�

> > >

> > > Here again the Sarini is off by some 11 degrees or some 55

> > minutes.

> > >

> > >

> > > Example 4 ;

> > >

> > > Date : March 18, 1982

> > > Time : 12:49 pm

> > > Place : Madras

> > >

> > > The Sarini shows that at 12:49 pm Gemini ends and the Cancer

> > rises.

> > >

> > > The soft ware derived Lagna is = 16 Ge 41

> > > Lagna derived manually through Table of ascendants by lahiri :

> > >

> > > ST at noon on March 18, 1982 at Madras is

> > >

> > > [ 23-41-27] + [ 0-0-33 ] + [ 0-0-1]

> > >

> > > = 23-42-1

> > >

> > > The ST of the epoch is :

> > >

> > > [ 23-42-1] + [ 0-40-0]

> > >

> > > = 0 � 22 �1

> > >

> > > The Lagna shown in the Table at ST 0-22-1 is : 2-17-18

> > >

> > > [ 2-17-18 ] � [ 0-0- 37 ayanansh corr]

> > >

> > > = Lagna 16 Ge 41

> > >

> > > The Lagna acquired through the software and manually are the

same.

> > >

> > > The sarini is off by some 13 degrees or some 52 minutes. Grossly

> > inaccurate.

> > >

> > > I think we have done enough exercises to verify the Sarini and

> > every time it has been found that the Sarini is grossly

inaccurate.

> > >

> > > I think I need not waste any more of my time on the sarini which

> > has been found to be inaccurate many times over.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Varun bhai ji

What further proof does anybody need?

if someone is obssessed with it as some people have fancy for

antique things we cannot help it. he is welcome to use and preserve

it we are not in favour of hurting anybody's sentiments.

but it is like a person having a fancy for his grandfather's bicycle

in an age when many better modes of transport are available.

our object was to forewarn those people who were being exploited and

that has been achieved fully.

more exercises are not worth ur time u may reply only when someone

comes with a proof that the sarani is infalliable. untill then the

matter should be rested.

ur time is preciuos and many other important topics need that.

no good will be served by discussing this issue further at least for

now . it will only amount to a circus to show mathimatical skills.

lets move forward to lalkitab.

kulbirbains

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Nirmal Kumar ji,

>

> I am no longer interested in wasting my time on this Sarini.

>

> Through so many exercises by me, Miglani ji and Chadra Prakash it

has

> been proved beyond doubt that the Sarini is inaccurate.

>

> Let Kalsi ji go ahead with his own exercises if he so wants.

>

> With regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun Ji,

> > You excercise is good and elaborative. But, Let us stick to the

> task given

> > to individual by Mr. Kalsi. Yours is

> > . For Varun Trivedi Ji

> > Person Name - B, DOB 15.02.1976, place Toronto,Canada, Time 15.43

> > Kalsi Ji has give on date for all for differnt places.

> > We will submitt the details for that only

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> > On 10/29/07, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Kalsi ji,

> > >

> > > ooops made a few typos. Corrections:

> > >

> > > [ a ] Example 1

> > >

> > > The difference between the lagna derived through software and

> > > manually is 1d3'; had typed less than a degree.

> > >

> > > [ b ] Example 3

> > >

> > > The difference is some 11 degrees or some 44 minutes; had

typed 55

> > > minutes.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>,

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > { Let anyone cross

> > > check }

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected kalsi ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have randomly selected different dates, different

ascendants

> > > and different years to verify the sarini February and March

pages.

> > > >

> > > > I have tried to verify it through the soft ware and through

> > > manual procedure with the help of Table of Ascendants by

Lahiri.

> > > >

> > > > While using the table of Ascendants of Lahiri to calculate

the

> ST

> > > of Epoch I have left out minor corrections of table iv [ of a

few

> > > seconds only ]. The entire exercise is to find an approximate

> lagna

> > > through the help of the ephemeris.

> > > >

> > > > Example -1

> > > > February 4, 1952

> > > > At 1:19 pm

> > > > Madras [ 80E15;13N4 ]

> > > >

> > > > In the Sarini Taurus is shown to end at 1:18 pm. Therefore at

> > > 1:19 pm the Lagna should show Gemini rising.

> > > >

> > > > Here are the results of verification :

> > > >

> > > > Using a software :

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna works out to 14 Ta 47

> > > > From Table of ascendants :

> > > >

> > > > ST at noon on Feb 4, 1952 at madras

> > > > [ 20-55-51 + 0-1-36 + 0-0-1 ]

> > > >

> > > > = 20-57-28

> > > > Therefore the ST of Epoch = [ 20 �57-28 + 1-10-0]

> > > >

> > > > = 22-7-28

> > > > Lagna at ST 22-8 in Madras is shown as = 1-16-2

> > > >

> > > > [ 1- 16 �2 ] � [0-0-12 ayanansh]

> > > >

> > > > = 1 �15 � 50

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna derived through the Lahiri Table of Ascendant is

> > > >

> > > > 15 Ta 50

> > > >

> > > > The difference of the lagna derived with the soft ware and

> > > manually derived from the Table of Ascendant is less than one

> degree.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore The Sarini is off by almost 15 degrees or about ONE

> > > HOUR. The Sarini is grossly inaccurate.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Example � 2

> > > > Date : February 21, 1962

> > > > Time ; 7:9 pm

> > > > Place : Madras

> > > >

> > > > The Sarini says that Leo will set at 7:9 pm and the Virgo

will

> > > rise.

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna acquired with a software is :

> > > >

> > > > 22 Le 50

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of

ascendants

> > > >

> > > > ST at noon on Feb 21, 1962 at Madras is : 22-2-50 [

corrections

> > > done]

> > > >

> > > > ST of the epoch is = [ 22-2-50 ] + [ 7-0-0 LMT]

> > > >

> > > > = 5 � 2 � 50

> > > >

> > > > The lagna acquired through the Table of ascendants

> > > >

> > > > = [ 4 � 22-55] � [ 0-0-20 ayanansh corr]

> > > >

> > > > = Lagna 22 Le 35

> > > >

> > > > The difference between the soft ware and the manually

calculated

> > > Lagna is 15� which is within limits.

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna sarini is off by more than 7 degrees or some 28

> > > minutes. Once again grossly inaccurate.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Example 3

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Date : March 5 , 1972

> > > > Time : 3:59 pm

> > > > Place Madras

> > > >

> > > > The Sarini shows that Cancer will set at 3:59 pm and Leo will

> > > rise.

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna works out : 18 Ca 55 through a software

> > > > Lagna acquired manually with the help of Table of ascendants

of

> > > Lahiri :

> > > >

> > > > ST at noon on March 5,1972 at Madras :

> > > >

> > > > [ 22-50-12 ] - [ 0-1-4] + [ 0-0-1]

> > > >

> > > > = 22 � 49 � 9

> > > >

> > > > ST at the epoch :

> > > >

> > > > [ 22-49-9] + [ 3-50]

> > > >

> > > > = 2-39-9

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna at ST 2-40 shown in the sarini for Madras is 3-18-

41

> > > > [3-18-41] � [ 0-0-28 ayanansh corr]

> > > >

> > > > = Lagna 18 Ca 13

> > > >

> > > > The difference between the lagna acquired manually and

through

> > > the software is just 42�

> > > >

> > > > Here again the Sarini is off by some 11 degrees or some 55

> > > minutes.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Example 4 ;

> > > >

> > > > Date : March 18, 1982

> > > > Time : 12:49 pm

> > > > Place : Madras

> > > >

> > > > The Sarini shows that at 12:49 pm Gemini ends and the Cancer

> > > rises.

> > > >

> > > > The soft ware derived Lagna is = 16 Ge 41

> > > > Lagna derived manually through Table of ascendants by

lahiri :

> > > >

> > > > ST at noon on March 18, 1982 at Madras is

> > > >

> > > > [ 23-41-27] + [ 0-0-33 ] + [ 0-0-1]

> > > >

> > > > = 23-42-1

> > > >

> > > > The ST of the epoch is :

> > > >

> > > > [ 23-42-1] + [ 0-40-0]

> > > >

> > > > = 0 � 22 �1

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna shown in the Table at ST 0-22-1 is : 2-17-18

> > > >

> > > > [ 2-17-18 ] � [ 0-0- 37 ayanansh corr]

> > > >

> > > > = Lagna 16 Ge 41

> > > >

> > > > The Lagna acquired through the software and manually are the

> same.

> > > >

> > > > The sarini is off by some 13 degrees or some 52 minutes.

Grossly

> > > inaccurate.

> > > >

> > > > I think we have done enough exercises to verify the Sarini

and

> > > every time it has been found that the Sarini is grossly

> inaccurate.

> > > >

> > > > I think I need not waste any more of my time on the sarini

which

> > > has been found to be inaccurate many times over.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>