# Lal Kitab Discussion Group Shamshan ka pani / Iqbal ji

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Most Respected Kulbir jeeThere are two more books penned by Amrita Pritam worth reading; one is Prashan Kundlee and another is Saat Musafir. I read borrowed these books from Sardar Raghbir Singh jee of Delhi for reading last year as these are perhaps out of print stuff.These books clearly shows the deep knowledge of her regarding Astrology. There is a separate Chapter regarding Pt. Roop Chand joshi ji in Saat Musafir and many "Logic" are also discussed in that book.RespectfullyYograj Prabhakarvarun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Iqbal ji, I am placed in Aligarh where this book is not available. You might have to contact some one from Delhi or another big city. Regards, Varun Trivedi , punjabilovebug wrote: > > Bhais, > > Where can I procure a copy of this book? Would you be willing to post it to me? > > Best Regards, > Iqbal > USA > > Sent via Blackberry > > > "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd > > Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:12:24 > > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Shamshan ka pani / Kalsi ji > > > Dear Kulbir

Bhai, > > Yes, I agree with you. I too have found the book as the best for > planets in the 6th,8th and 12th houses. > > With regards, > > Varun trivedi > > <% 40> @, "kulbirbains" > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > guruji . trik bhavno ki gatha is written by amrita pritam based > upon > > her experiences with acharaya shri Krishyan ashant. ashant ji also > > co-aothoured it but credit goes to amrita pritam for explaing in a > > lucid, simple and griping manner.it is indeed a marvellous book > > published by shilalekh delhi. it is as good as poetry of amrita > > pritam. i have not come across any book on lalkitab or astrology > > which can be compared with this

book. > > this book surpasses pt. ashant's own book on 12 houses. > > kulbirbains > > > > <% 40> @, "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > > > > > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home > > the > > > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when > > apparently > > > there is no moon involved. > > > > > > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. > > > > > > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets > > in > > > the 8th house. > > > > > > Mars in the 8th is assumed

as ashubh hence = Surya + shani > > > Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + > > Venus > > > > > > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > > > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > > > > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > > > > > = moon and Ketu uchcha > > > > > > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the > > fire > > > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore > > Pandit > > > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at > home > > > > > > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > > > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki > > gatha > > > by Pt. Krishna Ashant. > > > > > > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will > be > > > very happy to answer them for you. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <% 40> @, "shivdev.kalsi" > > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > > > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > > > chander in

8th. He explained that > > > > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > > > > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > > > also > > > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > > > > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I > > request > > > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the > > equation > > > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, > > ketu > > > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does > > not > > > > require any remedy there.

> > > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great > > concept > > > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > > > trouble for the typing work. > > > > Your > > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > > <% 40> @, > > > > "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon > > which > > > is > > > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the > > first > > > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in

the > > case > > > > of > > > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee > > break > > > up > > > > > of these two planets. > > > > > > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring > > home > > > a > > > > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%

40> @, "kulbirbains" > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > > > varun > > > > > ji or > > > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this > > concept. > > > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of > shamshan > > ka > > > > > pani > > > > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > > > > > <%40> @, "sharma.rohit80" > > > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani > > if > > > > > some > > > > > > one > > > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the > > moon > > > is > > > > > being > > > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars

and > > > Saturn > > > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I got this laal kitab and I cant understand what does it mean by 'shamshan ka pani'. can somebody plz explain I need to do this remedy

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Water from the cremation ground.

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