Guest guest Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dear Kulbir bhai, Saturn is the karak of nazar, beenayee. Regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > page no 128 of farmans line no 11 says nek mangal = SASURAL V SASURAL KHANDAN , NAZAR BINAYI. the darsusti naama at the end of armaans doesn't has this in the correction list. about SASURAL correction has been given elsewhere but is nazar binayi an item of mangal nek > kubir > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains wrote: > varun ji, i have a slight doubt over samandar coming exclusively > under house no.4. lalkitab when read while taking all 5 editions > together springs some complications or contradictions. > lalkitabee ji has disscussed samandar elaborately to be house no 9 > item while analysing upayas prescribed to shi babu ram gupta on the > page as provided by umesh ji. > in addition to that i would like to add that there is a kundali in > the last part ofthe 1942 edition where pt ji has written for moon- > ketu in house no 9 that the native will go up to the harbour, board > the steps of the ship but will not be able to cross the samandar. > i think sometimes an item can come under purview of two houses as > water of well in house no 4 and 6. house no 4 because water is > coming from a natural source and house no 6 because of being > underground. > is there something like this that brings samandar under purview of > both house no 4 and 9 also. > kulbirbains. > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > > > I would request you not to jump to conclusions. I never quote from > > the Teekas. If I have to quote, I will quote from the original > Urdu > > editions. Although we accept the quotations from Hindi teekas > also, > > and do not consider them as 'dalda' books. Most of us were > introduced > > to the Lal Kitab through those very 'dalda' books and we recognise > > their contribution towards the knowledge of the Lal Kitab. > > > > Now coming back to my quotation : > > > > For house # 4 > > > > " Char taraf ka pani duniya, doodh samandar dariya hai " > > > > Page 23 line 15 of 1942 edition > > > > Page 15 line 2 of 1941 gutaka. > > > > Verify yourself. > > > > As for your considering a well as the 4th house, you might > continue > > believing that. At least I have nothing to say about your belief. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Shivdev Kalsi " > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir Ji & Varun Ji, It is better to cite Original text rather > than > > > " Teeka " done by other person on it. > > > As far as I read the Book , in Armaan at page no 76,' well' is > > given Khana > > > No 4 object of Moon.I could not find reference of Darya or > samunder > > in it. I > > > also cite Ketu No. 4 in Gutka. Both above are refering 4th item > > as 'Well'. > > > You have studied Lalkitab deeply,may judge better. > > > > > > > > > On 10/27/07, kulbir bains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > kalsi ji, below the surafce or underground things are item of > 6th > > house > > > > governed by ketu. water in a well is moon of 6th house > eclipsed > > with water > > > > hence not suitable for this remedy. > > > > your questions help in understanding many concepts please keep > it > > up. i > > > > may be wrong please remind me where i am wrong as lk says. > galti > > batane wala > > > > madadgar dost hoga. > > > > regards > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > > * " shivdev.kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > > > I remember I read that 'Well' is the 4th house object. > > > > Varun Ji Please check up is it correct that for Rahu 11 it is > > said to > > > > wear gold and Use Silver to drink and smoke.In my opinion > lalkitab > > > > Don't suggest this upaya as you said to be given by Pt > Ashant.This > > > > theory does not hold good because Pt. Rup Chand Ji, not > suggested > > this > > > > upaya to be done.If suggested then he must had given warning > in > > the > > > > book.I fear, I could not find any warning given for Rahu 11. > > > > Anyhow I am not much familiar with the whole book but if this > > upaya is > > > > given in the book then why we should not do it in the 'Well " > > which is > > > > the object of 4th house. Bhooshan ji,is my opinion hold good. > > > > Regards > > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > > --- In <% > > 40>, > > > > " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bhai is right. There is nothing new about this > theory. > > Pt. > > > > > Krishna Ashant ji hasn't said some thing new or out of the > blue. > > > > > > > > > > Now what is the upaya done for Rahu in the 11th house ? > > > > > > > > > > The upaya is to immerse in a river the karak objects of > rahu. It > > > > > means that the Rahu is being dumped into the 4th house where > it > > is > > > > > not supposed to do mischief. > > > > > > > > > > With Sun already in the 4th house, Rahu once driven to the > 4th > > house > > > > > might [ I said might] eclipse the sun or at least attempt to > > eclipse > > > > > the sun. Remember that the Sun is always susceptible to being > > > > > harassed by rahu , so much so that rahu placed in the 1st > house > > > > eclipses the Sun where ever the sun is placed. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore Pt. Krishna Ashant ji made a precautionary remark > > that one > > > > > should be careful while suggesting the Rahu in 11th upaya if > > the Sun > > > > > is in the 4th house. > > > > > > > > > > In this case we have to strengthen the moon [ owner of the > 4th ] > > > > > which could save the Sun from a possible harm from rahu by > > immersing > > > > > a little rice grains into the water before immersing the > karaks > > of > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Now there is nothing new about what Pt. Krishna Ashant ji > had > > said. > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <% > > 40>, > > > > " shivdev.kalsi " > > > > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > The theory of pt. krsihan ashant is new. I find difficulty > to > > > > > > undertand it correctly. Please give us a brief detail and > > logic of > > > > > > the remedy. May this help many like me. > > > > > > yours > > > > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > > > > --- In > > <% > > 40> > > > > , > > > > > > " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do the planets in natal chart restrict/govern the upayas > for > > > > > > planatary > > > > > > > position in varshphal. as pt. krishn asahnt has written > > that if a > > > > > > > peson has sun in 4th house and he undertakes the upaya > of > > rahu- > > > > > 11. > > > > > > the > > > > > > > upaya backfires and brings trouble as rahu causes sun > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my question is; if a person has a beneficial planet in > 4th > > house > > > > > in > > > > > > > the natal chart. is he restricted to not to undertake > any > > of the > > > > > > upaya > > > > > > > of enemy planet of this planet i.e the planet n > > 4th,throughout > > > > > his > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > the combinations and planatary positions are to be > > > > > seen/considered > > > > > > > yearwise. when it is writen that every planet will give > > benefic > > > > > or > > > > > > > malefic effects on the basis of its occupation as per the > > > > > varshphal > > > > > > > chart. is their ny execption to this rule. > > > > > > > kulbirbains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Kulbir Bains* > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. 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