Lal Kitab Discussion Group Varshphal and Lagan / Kalsi ji

October 27, 2007

kalsi ji, below the surafce or underground things are item of 6th house governed by ketu. water in a well is moon of 6th house eclipsed with water hence not suitable for this remedy. your questions help in understanding many concepts please keep it up. i may be wrong please remind me where i am wrong as lk says. galti batane wala madadgar dost hoga. regards kulbir"shivdev.kalsi" <shivdev.kalsi wrote: Dear Bhooshan Ji,I remember I read that 'Well' is the 4th house object. Varun Ji Please

check up is it correct that for Rahu 11 it is said towear gold and Use Silver to drink and smoke.In my opinion lalkitabDon't suggest this upaya as you said to be given by Pt Ashant.Thistheory does not hold good because Pt. Rup Chand Ji, not suggested thisupaya to be done.If suggested then he must had given warning in thebook.I fear, I could not find any warning given for Rahu 11.Anyhow I am not much familiar with the whole book but if this upaya isgiven in the book then why we should not do it in the 'Well" which isthe object of 4th house. Bhooshan ji,is my opinion hold good. RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi , "varun_trvd"<varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Kalsi ji,> > Kulbir Bhai is right. There is nothing new about this theory. Pt.> Krishna Ashant ji hasn't said some thing new or

out of the blue.> > Now what is the upaya done for Rahu in the 11th house ?> > The upaya is to immerse in a river the karak objects of rahu. It> means that the Rahu is being dumped into the 4th house where it is> not supposed to do mischief.> > With Sun already in the 4th house, Rahu once driven to the 4th house> might [ I said might] eclipse the sun or at least attempt to eclipse> the sun. Remember that the Sun is always susceptible to being> harassed by rahu , so much so that rahu placed in the 1st houseeclipses the Sun where ever the sun is placed.> > Therefore Pt. Krishna Ashant ji made a precautionary remark that one> should be careful while suggesting the Rahu in 11th upaya if the Sun> is in the 4th house.> > In this case we have to strengthen the moon [ owner of the 4th ]> which could save the Sun from a possible harm from rahu by

immersing> a little rice grains into the water before immersing the karaks of> rahu.> > Now there is nothing new about what Pt. Krishna Ashant ji had said.> > With regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > , "shivdev.kalsi"> <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir Ji,> > The theory of pt. krsihan ashant is new. I find difficulty to> > undertand it correctly. Please give us a brief detail and logic of> > the remedy. May this help many like me.> > yours> > Shiv Dev Kalsi> > ,> > "kulbirbains"

<kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Do the planets in natal chart restrict/govern the upayas for> > planatary> > > position in varshphal. as pt. krishn asahnt has written that if a> > > peson has sun in 4th house and he undertakes the upaya of rahu-> 11.> > the> > > upaya backfires and brings trouble as rahu causes sun eclipse.> > >> > > my question is; if a person has a beneficial planet in 4th house> in> > > the natal chart. is he restricted to not to undertake any of the> > upaya> > > of enemy planet of this planet i.e the planet n 4th,throughout> his> > > life.> > > or> > > the combinations and planatary positions are to be> seen/considered> > > yearwise. when it is writen that every planet will give benefic> or> > >

malefic effects on the basis of its occupation as per the> varshphal> > > chart. is their ny execption to this rule.> > > kulbirbains> > >> >>Kulbir Bains

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October 27, 2007

Kulbir Ji & Varun Ji, It is better to cite Original text rather than " Teeka " done by other person on it.As far as I read the Book , in Armaan at page no 76,' well' is given Khana No 4 object of Moon.I

could not find reference of Darya or samunder in it. I also cite Ketu No. 4 in Gutka. Both above are refering 4th item as 'Well'.You have studied Lalkitab deeply,may judge better.

On 10/27/07, kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote:

kalsi ji, below the surafce or underground things are item of 6th house governed by ketu. water in a well is moon of 6th house eclipsed with water hence not suitable for this remedy.

your questions help in understanding many concepts please keep it up. i may be wrong please remind me where i am wrong as lk says. galti batane wala madadgar dost hoga.regardskulbir

" shivdev.kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

Dear Bhooshan Ji,I remember I read that 'Well' is the 4th house object. Varun Ji Please check up is it correct that for Rahu 11 it is said towear gold and Use Silver to drink and smoke.In my opinion lalkitabDon't suggest this upaya as you said to be given by Pt Ashant.This

theory does not hold good because Pt. Rup Chand Ji, not suggested thisupaya to be done.If suggested then he must had given warning in thebook.I fear, I could not find any warning given for Rahu 11.Anyhow I am not much familiar with the whole book but if this upaya is

given in the book then why we should not do it in the 'Well " which isthe object of 4th house. Bhooshan ji,is my opinion hold good. RegardsShiv Dev Kalsi

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Kalsi ji,> > Kulbir Bhai is right. There is nothing new about this theory. Pt.> Krishna Ashant ji hasn't said some thing new or out of the blue.

> > Now what is the upaya done for Rahu in the 11th house ?> > The upaya is to immerse in a river the karak objects of rahu. It> means that the Rahu is being dumped into the 4th house where it is

> not supposed to do mischief.> > With Sun already in the 4th house, Rahu once driven to the 4th house> might [ I said might] eclipse the sun or at least attempt to eclipse> the sun. Remember that the Sun is always susceptible to being

> harassed by rahu , so much so that rahu placed in the 1st houseeclipses the Sun where ever the sun is placed.> > Therefore Pt. Krishna Ashant ji made a precautionary remark that one> should be careful while suggesting the Rahu in 11th upaya if the Sun

> is in the 4th house.> > In this case we have to strengthen the moon [ owner of the 4th ]> which could save the Sun from a possible harm from rahu by immersing> a little rice grains into the water before immersing the karaks of

> rahu.> > Now there is nothing new about what Pt. Krishna Ashant ji had said.> > With regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > , " shivdev.kalsi

" > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir Ji,> > The theory of pt. krsihan ashant is new. I find difficulty to> > undertand it correctly. Please give us a brief detail and logic of

> > the remedy. May this help many like me.> > yours> > Shiv Dev Kalsi> >

,> > " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Do the planets in natal chart restrict/govern the upayas for> > planatary

> > > position in varshphal. as pt. krishn asahnt has written that if a> > > peson has sun in 4th house and he undertakes the upaya of rahu-> 11.> > the> > > upaya backfires and brings trouble as rahu causes sun eclipse.

> > >> > > my question is; if a person has a beneficial planet in 4th house> in> > > the natal chart. is he restricted to not to undertake any of the> > upaya> > > of enemy planet of this planet i.e the planet n 4th,throughout> his> > > life.> > > or> > > the combinations and planatary positions are to be> seen/considered> > > yearwise. when it is writen that every planet will give benefic

> or> > > malefic effects on the basis of its occupation as per the> varshphal> > > chart. is their ny execption to this rule.> > > kulbirbains> > >> >

>Kulbir Bains Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it.

-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)