Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Bhais, Where can I procure a copy of this book? Would you be willing to post it to me? Best Regards, Iqbal USA Sent via Blackberry " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:12:24 Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Shamshan ka pani / Kalsi ji Dear Kulbir Bhai, Yes, I agree with you. I too have found the book as the best for planets in the 6th,8th and 12th houses. With regards, Varun trivedi <%40> @, " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > guruji . trik bhavno ki gatha is written by amrita pritam based upon > her experiences with acharaya shri Krishyan ashant. ashant ji also > co-aothoured it but credit goes to amrita pritam for explaing in a > lucid, simple and griping manner.it is indeed a marvellous book > published by shilalekh delhi. it is as good as poetry of amrita > pritam. i have not come across any book on lalkitab or astrology > which can be compared with this book. > this book surpasses pt. ashant's own book on 12 houses. > kulbirbains > > <%40> @, " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > > > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home > the > > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when > apparently > > there is no moon involved. > > > > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. > > > > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets > in > > the 8th house. > > > > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani > > Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + > Venus > > > > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > > > = moon and Ketu uchcha > > > > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the > fire > > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore > Pandit > > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home > > > > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki > gatha > > by Pt. Krishna Ashant. > > > > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > > very happy to answer them for you. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> @, " shivdev.kalsi " > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > > chander in 8th. He explained that > > > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > > > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > > > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > > > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > > also > > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > > > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I > request > > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the > equation > > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, > ketu > > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does > not > > > require any remedy there. > > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great > concept > > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > > trouble for the typing work. > > > Your > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > <%40> @, > > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon > which > > is > > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the > first > > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the > case > > > of > > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee > break > > up > > > > of these two planets. > > > > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring > home > > a > > > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> @, " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > > varun > > > > ji or > > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this > concept. > > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan > ka > > > > pani > > > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > > > --- In <%40> @, " sharma.rohit80 " > > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani > if > > > > some > > > > > one > > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the > moon > > is > > > > being > > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > > Saturn > > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 kalsi ji, mars nek has masnui parts = su+me. mars bad= su+sa please explain how u put me+uch ketu as masnui parts of mars. i fail to understand as far my knowledge is concerned budh and ketu uch or neech don't form any masnui. ur caculation= Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Mar+Mer) +(Mer+Uch Ketu)= Jup+(Venus+Mer) +Uchketu= Mar+2Mer+UchKetuMoon is no where kulbir"shivdev.kalsi" <shivdev.kalsi wrote: Dear Varun Ji,My query still is not answered. I think I could not put my queryproperly. My only doubt is about sun. What is the criteria of leaving Sun whileBifurcation the masnuyee part. of mangal Bud. we bifurcated the Ma=SU+Satand then left Su as it is. It can be like this alsoMa=(Ven+Mer)+SatMa= Mer+(Ven+Sat)Ma= Mer+Uch KetuNow take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Jup+Ven)+(Mer+Uch Ketu)= Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu= (Jup+Sun)+UchKetu= Moon + Uch KetuBut Other Equation will beNow take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Mar+Mer)+(Mer+Uch Ketu)= Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu= Mar+2Mer+UchKetuMoon is no whereHere it is a confusion Please try to remove itYoursShiv Dev kalsi , "varun_trvd"<varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Kalsi ji,> > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home the > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when apparently > there is no moon involved.> > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said.> > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets in > the 8th house.> > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani> Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + Venus> > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus}> > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha> > = moon and Ketu uchcha> > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the fire > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore Pandit > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home> > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki gatha > by Pt. Krishna Ashant.> > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > very happy to answer them for you. > > With regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > , "shivdev.kalsi" > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhooshan Ji,> > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > chander in 8th. He explained that> > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa> > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr> > 3. = Ch + Shukr.> > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu.> > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > also > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above.> > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I request > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the equation > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, ketu > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does not > > require any remedy there. > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great concept > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > trouble for the typing work.> > Your> > Shiv Dev Kalsi> > , > > "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon which > is > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the first > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the case > > of > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee break > up > > > of these two planets.> > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring home > a > > > little shamshan ka pani.> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kulbirbains" > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > varun > > > ji or > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this concept.> > > > MA bad = Su + Sa> > > > = Su + Br + Shukr> > > > = Ch + Shukr.> > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu.> > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan ka > > > pani > > > > is prescribed.> > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs> > > > , "sharma.rohit80" > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani if > > > some > > > > one > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the moon > is > > > being > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy.> > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > Saturn > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why?> > > > > > > > > > respectfully,> > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>Kulbir Bains Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Dear Kulbir Ji,I am slow in typing work and use copy paste for repetetive work.The red in your reply may be ignoredI reproduce the corrected equation as inderMy query still is not answered. I think I could not put my query properly. My only doubt is about sun. What is the criteria of leaving Sun whileBifurcation the masnuyee part. of mangal Bud. we bifurcated the Ma=SU+Satand then left Su as it is. It can be like this also Ma=(Ven+Mer)+SatMa= Mer+(Ven+Sat)Ma= Mer+Uch Ketu- XNow take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Jup+Ven)+(Mer+Uch Ketu)= Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu= (Jup+Sun)+UchKetu= Moon + Uch KetuBut Other Equation will be Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)------Value of mars is taken from first equation marked X =(Mar+Mer)+(Mer+Uch Ketu) = Mar+2Mer+UchKetuMoon is no where Here it is a confusion Please try to remove itYoursOn 10/27/07, kulbir bains <kulbirbains > wrote: kalsi ji, mars nek has masnui parts = su+me. mars bad= su+sa please explain how u put me+uch ketu as masnui parts of mars. i fail to understandas far my knowledge is concerned budh and ketu uch or neech don't form any masnui.ur caculation= Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Mar+Mer) +(Mer+Uch Ketu)(= Jup+(Venus+Mer) +Uchketu )This line to be ignored is not part of above equation = Mar+2Mer+UchKetuMoon is no where kulbir " shivdev.kalsi " < shivdev.kalsi wrote:Dear Varun Ji, My query still is not answered. I think I could not put my queryproperly. My only doubt is about sun. What is the criteria of leaving Sun whileBifurcation the masnuyee part. of mangal Bud. we bifurcated the Ma=SU+Sat and then left Su as it is. It can be like this alsoMa=(Ven+Mer)+SatMa= Mer+(Ven+Sat)Ma= Mer+Uch KetuNow take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Jup+Ven)+(Mer+Uch Ketu)= Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu= (Jup+Sun)+UchKetu = Moon + Uch KetuBut Other Equation will beNow take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Mar+Mer)+(Mer+Uch Ketu)= Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu= Mar+2Mer+UchKetuMoon is no whereHere it is a confusion Please try to remove it YoursShiv Dev kalsi , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Kalsi ji,> > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home the > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when apparently > there is no moon involved.> > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said.> > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets in > the 8th house.> > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani> Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + Venus> > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha> > = moon and Ketu uchcha> > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the fire > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore Pandit > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home> > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki gatha > by Pt. Krishna Ashant.> > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > very happy to answer them for you. > > With regards,> > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > , " shivdev.kalsi " > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhooshan Ji,> > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > chander in 8th. He explained that> > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa> > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr> > 3. = Ch + Shukr.> > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > also > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above.> > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I request > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the equation > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, ketu > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does not > > require any remedy there. > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great concept > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > trouble for the typing work. > > Your> > Shiv Dev Kalsi> > , > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,> > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon which > is > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the first > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the case > > of > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee break > up > > > of these two planets.> > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring home > a > > > little shamshan ka pani.> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > varun > > > ji or > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this concept. > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa> > > > = Su + Br + Shukr> > > > = Ch + Shukr.> > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan ka > > > pani > > > > is prescribed.> > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs> > > > , " sharma.rohit80 " > > > > < sharma.rohit80@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani if > > > some > > > > one > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the moon > is > > > being > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > Saturn > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why?> > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Kulbir Bains Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. -- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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