Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Respected Kalsi ji, The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home the Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when apparently there is no moon involved. Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets in the 8th house. Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + Venus The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha = moon and Ketu uchcha Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the fire of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore Pandit ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki gatha by Pt. Krishna Ashant. After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be very happy to answer them for you. With regards, Varun Trivedi , " shivdev.kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > chander in 8th. He explained that > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 also > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I request > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the equation > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, ketu > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does not > require any remedy there. > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great concept > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > trouble for the typing work. > Your > Shiv Dev Kalsi > , > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon which is > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the first > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the case > of > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee break up > > of these two planets. > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring home a > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if varun > > ji or > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this concept. > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan ka > > pani > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > , " sharma.rohit80 " > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani if > > some > > > one > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the moon is > > being > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and Saturn > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 guruji . trik bhavno ki gatha is written by amrita pritam based upon her experiences with acharaya shri Krishyan ashant. ashant ji also co-aothoured it but credit goes to amrita pritam for explaing in a lucid, simple and griping manner.it is indeed a marvellous book published by shilalekh delhi. it is as good as poetry of amrita pritam. i have not come across any book on lalkitab or astrology which can be compared with this book. this book surpasses pt. ashant's own book on 12 houses. kulbirbains , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home the > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when apparently > there is no moon involved. > > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. > > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets in > the 8th house. > > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani > Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + Venus > > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > = moon and Ketu uchcha > > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the fire > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore Pandit > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home > > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki gatha > by Pt. Krishna Ashant. > > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > very happy to answer them for you. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " shivdev.kalsi " > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > chander in 8th. He explained that > > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > also > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I request > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the equation > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, ketu > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does not > > require any remedy there. > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great concept > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > trouble for the typing work. > > Your > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > , > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon which > is > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the first > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the case > > of > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee break > up > > > of these two planets. > > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring home > a > > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > varun > > > ji or > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this concept. > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan ka > > > pani > > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > > , " sharma.rohit80 " > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani if > > > some > > > > one > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the moon > is > > > being > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > Saturn > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Kulbir Bhai, Yes, I agree with you. I too have found the book as the best for planets in the 6th,8th and 12th houses. With regards, Varun trivedi , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > guruji . trik bhavno ki gatha is written by amrita pritam based upon > her experiences with acharaya shri Krishyan ashant. ashant ji also > co-aothoured it but credit goes to amrita pritam for explaing in a > lucid, simple and griping manner.it is indeed a marvellous book > published by shilalekh delhi. it is as good as poetry of amrita > pritam. i have not come across any book on lalkitab or astrology > which can be compared with this book. > this book surpasses pt. ashant's own book on 12 houses. > kulbirbains > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > > > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home > the > > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when > apparently > > there is no moon involved. > > > > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. > > > > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets > in > > the 8th house. > > > > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani > > Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + > Venus > > > > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > > > = moon and Ketu uchcha > > > > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the > fire > > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore > Pandit > > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home > > > > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki > gatha > > by Pt. Krishna Ashant. > > > > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > > very happy to answer them for you. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " shivdev.kalsi " > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > > chander in 8th. He explained that > > > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > > > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > > > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > > > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > > also > > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > > > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I > request > > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the > equation > > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, > ketu > > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does > not > > > require any remedy there. > > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great > concept > > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > > trouble for the typing work. > > > Your > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > , > > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon > which > > is > > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the > first > > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the > case > > > of > > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee > break > > up > > > > of these two planets. > > > > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring > home > > a > > > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > > varun > > > > ji or > > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this > concept. > > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan > ka > > > > pani > > > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > > > --- In , " sharma.rohit80 " > > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani > if > > > > some > > > > > one > > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the > moon > > is > > > > being > > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > > Saturn > > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Dear Varun Ji, My query still is not answered. I think I could not put my query properly. My only doubt is about sun. What is the criteria of leaving Sun while Bifurcation the masnuyee part. of mangal Bud. we bifurcated the Ma=SU+Sat and then left Su as it is. It can be like this also Ma=(Ven+Mer)+Sat Ma= Mer+(Ven+Sat) Ma= Mer+Uch Ketu Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Jup+Ven)+(Mer+Uch Ketu) = Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu = (Jup+Sun)+UchKetu = Moon + Uch Ketu But Other Equation will be Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Mar+Mer)+(Mer+Uch Ketu) = Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu = Mar+2Mer+UchKetu Moon is no where Here it is a confusion Please try to remove it Yours Shiv Dev kalsi , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home the > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when apparently > there is no moon involved. > > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. > > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets in > the 8th house. > > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani > Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + Venus > > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > = moon and Ketu uchcha > > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the fire > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore Pandit > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home > > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki gatha > by Pt. Krishna Ashant. > > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > very happy to answer them for you. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " shivdev.kalsi " > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > chander in 8th. He explained that > > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > also > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I request > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the equation > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, ketu > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does not > > require any remedy there. > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great concept > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > trouble for the typing work. > > Your > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > , > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon which > is > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the first > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the case > > of > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee break > up > > > of these two planets. > > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring home > a > > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > varun > > > ji or > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this concept. > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan ka > > > pani > > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > > , " sharma.rohit80 " > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani if > > > some > > > > one > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the moon > is > > > being > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > Saturn > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Respected kalsi ji, Where have I left the Sun? This is what I have said : The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > > > = moon and Ketu uchcha See for yourself that the Sun has been taken into account. Regards, Varun trivedi , " shivdev.kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Dear Varun Ji, > My query still is not answered. I think I could not put my query > properly. > My only doubt is about sun. What is the criteria of leaving Sun while > Bifurcation the masnuyee part. of mangal Bud. we bifurcated the Ma=SU+Sat > and then left Su as it is. > It can be like this also > Ma=(Ven+Mer)+Sat > Ma= Mer+(Ven+Sat) > Ma= Mer+Uch Ketu > Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Jup+Ven)+(Mer+Uch Ketu) > = Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu > = (Jup+Sun)+UchKetu > = Moon + Uch Ketu > But Other Equation will be > Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Mar+Mer)+(Mer+Uch Ketu) > = Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu > = Mar+2Mer+UchKetu > Moon is no where > Here it is a confusion Please try to remove it > Yours > Shiv Dev kalsi > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > > > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home the > > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when apparently > > there is no moon involved. > > > > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. > > > > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets in > > the 8th house. > > > > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani > > Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + Venus > > > > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > > > = moon and Ketu uchcha > > > > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the fire > > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore Pandit > > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home > > > > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki gatha > > by Pt. Krishna Ashant. > > > > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > > very happy to answer them for you. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " shivdev.kalsi " > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > > chander in 8th. He explained that > > > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > > > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > > > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > > > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > > also > > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > > > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I request > > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the equation > > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, ketu > > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does not > > > require any remedy there. > > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great concept > > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > > trouble for the typing work. > > > Your > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > , > > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon which > > is > > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the first > > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the case > > > of > > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee break > > up > > > > of these two planets. > > > > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring home > > a > > > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > > varun > > > > ji or > > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this concept. > > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan ka > > > > pani > > > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > > > --- In , " sharma.rohit80 " > > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani if > > > > some > > > > > one > > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the moon > > is > > > > being > > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > > Saturn > > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Respected kalsi ji, I am not Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji. He is our most respected Guru ji. I am his student. 4th house has been mentioned as 'dariyah' a river " char taraf ka pani duniya dodh samandar dariyah hai " . Therefore your contention that a well should be taken to mean the 4th house is not correct. Therefore a thing immersed in a river is generally considered as being posted for the 4th house, or handing it over to the Moon. Although we call it 'distancing', and not posting it to the 4th house. Yes I am aware of what the Lal Kitab has suggested as the upaya for the Rahu in the 11th house, but some scholars had suggested that 4 dry pooja Nariyals along with 4 pieces of lead be immersed in a river. To my mind the upaya of distancing the effects of the Rahu is quite reasonable. There are hundreds of upaya suggested which are not mentioned in the Lal Kitab. Lal Kitab just gives a few example upaya. Once a Lal Kitab student understands the logic of the upaya he can formulate his own upaya. It is like giving example solutions in a mathematics book. Once you know the principles you can solve any equation. There we do not encourage people to restrict themselves to the upaya mentioned in the Lal Kitab alone. Scholars are free to formulate their own upaya based on the concepts and the logic of the Lal Kitab. As for the warning, Pt. ji had not given a warning to add a handful of rice grains before immersing any karak object of rahu in the water. But the warning should always be given because it is based on the a sound principle. The principle is that if you immerse a red hot iron in water, a part of the water will get evaporated and the water would start boiling. In order to cool and to replenish the lost water one has to add fresh water to it. Similarly if any Karak object of rahu is immersed in a river it is always advisable to add another karak of the moon to it specially if the moon is weak. Giving you a recent example of today, we have added a warning that for Sun + saturn in the 6th house the flower pots or the green plants be placed either in the basement or against the northen wall. Pandit ji has not suggested that any where but we have. And what we have suggested is perfectly reasonable and logical. Therefore we do not agree with the idea that only those upaya be suggested which have been formulated by pandit ji. We should formulate our own upaya also where ever necessary. There are hundreds of problems which Pandit ji has not talked about in his books and yet people need upaya for them. A genuine scholar of the lal Kitab can always formulate upaya for those problems. The new upaya are being formulated every day and are being suggested. The feed back is a proof that they are successful. Therefore a warning is always welcome because it eliminates a possibility of a calamity. With regards, Varun Trivedi , " shivdev.kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Dear Varun Ji, > My query still is not answered. I think I could not put my query > properly. > My only doubt is about sun. What is the criteria of leaving Sun while > Bifurcation the masnuyee part. of mangal Bud. we bifurcated the Ma=SU+Sat > and then left Su as it is. > It can be like this also > Ma=(Ven+Mer)+Sat > Ma= Mer+(Ven+Sat) > Ma= Mer+Uch Ketu > Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Jup+Ven)+(Mer+Uch Ketu) > = Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu > = (Jup+Sun)+UchKetu > = Moon + Uch Ketu > But Other Equation will be > Now take Sat+Mars= Sat+(Mer+Uch Ketu)=(Mar+Mer)+(Mer+Uch Ketu) > = Jup+(Venus+Mer)+Uchketu > = Mar+2Mer+UchKetu > Moon is no where > Here it is a confusion Please try to remove it > Yours > Shiv Dev kalsi > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kalsi ji, > > > > The query was as to why Pandit ji suggested establishing at home the > > Shamshan ka pani for Mars and Saturn in the 8th house when apparently > > there is no moon involved. > > > > Let me briefly summarize what Kulbir Bhai has said. > > > > The upaya is based on the Masnuyee resultant of these two planets in > > the 8th house. > > > > Mars in the 8th is assumed as ashubh hence = Surya + shani > > Shani in its pakka ghar assumed as ketu swabhav hence = Jup + Venus > > > > The resultant masnuyee planets formed from the above = > > {Surya + Jup } and { Shani + venus} > > > > Surya + Jup = moon ; Shani + Venus = Ketu uchcha > > > > = moon and Ketu uchcha > > > > Since moon [ a resultant constituent ] will get scorched in the fire > > of hell { 8th house } hence it has to be retrieved. Therefore Pandit > > ji suggested that the water from a cremation ground be kept at home > > > > As for the other planets in the 8th house I will advise that you > > read a beautiful account of them in the book Trik bhavanon ki gatha > > by Pt. Krishna Ashant. > > > > After reading the book if you have any queries, some of us will be > > very happy to answer them for you. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " shivdev.kalsi " > > <shivdev.kalsi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhooshan Ji, > > > I am looking at the mosnoovi concept explained by Kulbir Ji for > > > chander in 8th. He explained that > > > 1. MA bad = Su + Sa > > > 2. = Su + Br + Shukr > > > 3. = Ch + Shukr. > > > 4. now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > 5. = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > Please see Sr. No 2 , he has not bifurcated sun and in Sr. No.4 > > also > > > not bifurcated Shani. Something seems to be missed in the above. > > > Secondly, This justification is made for chander in 8th. I request > > > you to spare your precious time for me to illustrate the equation > > > for Venus in 8th, Mars Bad in 8th,Mercury in 8th, Rahu in 8th, ketu > > > in 8th, saturn in 8th and Jupiter in 8th and of course Sun does not > > > require any remedy there. > > > I am a new to this system and want to understand this great concept > > > of masnooyi invented by the few members of group and giving you > > > trouble for the typing work. > > > Your > > > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > , > > > " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > You are absolutely right. In both the cases it is the Moon which > > is > > > > being retrieved from the darkness of the 8th house. In the first > > > > case it is the moon as such in the 8th house where as in the case > > > of > > > > Mars+Saturn it is the Moon as a resultant of the Masnuyee break > > up > > > > of these two planets. > > > > > > > > It is for this reason that Pt. Rupchand ji advised to bring home > > a > > > > little shamshan ka pani. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Rohit ji, this could be a possible explanation but only if > > varun > > > > ji or > > > > > lalkitabee ji agree with it as i am a beginner in this concept. > > > > > MA bad = Su + Sa > > > > > = Su + Br + Shukr > > > > > = Ch + Shukr. > > > > > now MA + SA = chandra + shukr + shani > > > > > = chandra + UCH ketu. > > > > > may be for this chandra formation in 8 the upaya of shamshan ka > > > > pani > > > > > is prescribed. > > > > > > > > > > kulbir bainjs > > > > > --- In , " sharma.rohit80 " > > > > > <sharma.rohit80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lalkitab advises to keep at home the shamshan ka pani if > > > > some > > > > > one > > > > > > has moon in the 8th house. One can understand that the moon > > is > > > > being > > > > > > taken out of the 8th house through this remedy. > > > > > > But the same remedy has also been suggested for Mars and > > Saturn > > > > > > together in the 8th house. Any clues why? > > > > > > > > > > > > respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohit Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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