Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Respected moderators; While nirmal ji posts his querries regarding previous messages. in the meantime i would like to bring to ur kind notice that of late some rumours have begun to surface that some 70- 80 pages of lalkitab which are supposed to be written by pt. Rup Chand Joshi ji but were not printed in any of the 5 editions of lalkitab; have been found out by some persons. 1. What is the genuinty of these pages since these are not shown to anyone but the message is send out by way of word of mouth.? or is it yet another gimmick. 2. If someone brings forward these pages shouldn't they be put to some kind of forensic tests to prove its authencity. 3. If genuine then the reason for their not being published be found out especially when we see that sarani was not printed in any edition of lalkitab and upon minute observation it was found out to be flawed and inaccurate. i think that as moderators and having the resources at ur command u too must have heard these rumours and as being a duty of this group to stop this kind of nuisance i would like to have ur and learned members' views on this issue. kulbirbains , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Members, > > There has been a very thorough, objective and highly technical > discussion on the sarini. Five different members, Raheja ji, Chandra > prakash,shri Nimal Bhardwaj ji , Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji and myself had > examined the sarini and we found it inaccurate. > > At the end of the debate it is conclusively proved that the Lagna > degrees acquired from this Sarini will not be accurate. Therefore it > should not be used as a Jyotish tool for births within India or > abroad. > > Since we Lal Kitab astrologers do not live and operate in isolation, > we operate within a larger community of traditional Vedic > astrologers, we have to use Jyotish tools which are universally > accepted as precise and accurate. We can not set up our own standards > which are not on par with the rest of the community. > > In spite of our findings if some one wants to continue using this > sarini, he may do so. But we would request that he/she should not > associate the name of Lal Kitab with this Sarini. We should not let > the impression go around that the Lal Kitab is archaic and > compromises with quality of precision. > > The Lal Kitab is already maligned by some as a book of Tona and > Totkas. All of us are making great efforts to get the Lal Kitab > accepted as a very valuable astrology book in the tradition of Vedic > astrology and not in the tradition of any dark and secret occult > system. > > Some of us have been very successful in our efforts to make > traditional astrologers accept that the Lal Kitab is not a book of > occult tantra, instaed it is a part of traditional Indian astrology > and that is very effective. > > Recently when a few traditional Vedic astrology groups chose to > discuss the Lal Kitab, some of us posed three simple challenges, > which no body had any answers for. > > The first challenge was to find out the most active group [messages > per month ] of all the astrology groups. The Lalkitab_remedies > group of our guru ji Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji was in the top two > groups. That shows how popular the Lal Kitab system is. No system can > be popular unless it is effective. > > The second challenge was : Can some one point out a single upaya > suggested by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji which could be called as Tantrik > or of occult. No body could find a single upaya of that nature. Thus > the impression that the Lal Kitab is a book of Tona and Totkas was > laid to rest. > > The third challenge was : go to all the groups, type the word > FEEDBACK in the search and see which group gets the most positive > feed back. There again the Lalkitab_remedies group had no > comparison. The Lalkitab remedies group was far, far ahead of the > rest. > > Therefore we would request the Lal Kitab astrologers to please, not > do any thing which could compromise the Lal Kitab. > > LET THE BOOK BE BIGGER THAN OUR EGOS > > Regards and respect to all, > > Varun Trivedi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Dear Kulbir Ji, You are absolutely correct and again I applaud your structured and unbiased approach. When people claim to have found religious or historic relics it is put through forensic tests that determine its authenticity. Today it is a claim of 70/80 pages tomorrow it will be several more etc - This is the modus operandi of those who need to have status and attention from others based on " supposed " documents and writings. In fact, Pandit Ji's son told me the very same thing that he had some notes and writings stored and remarked how if they just released these writings to the public " who would care to remember him " afterwards. Why have the people who claim to have such writings not shared them with the public - that question will highlight their true motives. Best Regards, Iqbal USA Sent via Blackberry " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:31:17 Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Sarini debate ends/continuation Respected moderators; While nirmal ji posts his querries regarding previous messages. in the meantime i would like to bring to ur kind notice that of late some rumours have begun to surface that some 70- 80 pages of lalkitab which are supposed to be written by pt. Rup Chand Joshi ji but were not printed in any of the 5 editions of lalkitab; have been found out by some persons. 1. What is the genuinty of these pages since these are not shown to anyone but the message is send out by way of word of mouth.? or is it yet another gimmick. 2. If someone brings forward these pages shouldn't they be put to some kind of forensic tests to prove its authencity. 3. If genuine then the reason for their not being published be found out especially when we see that sarani was not printed in any edition of lalkitab and upon minute observation it was found out to be flawed and inaccurate. i think that as moderators and having the resources at ur command u too must have heard these rumours and as being a duty of this group to stop this kind of nuisance i would like to have ur and learned members' views on this issue. kulbirbains <%40> @, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Members, > > There has been a very thorough, objective and highly technical > discussion on the sarini. Five different members, Raheja ji, Chandra > prakash,shri Nimal Bhardwaj ji , Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji and myself had > examined the sarini and we found it inaccurate. > > At the end of the debate it is conclusively proved that the Lagna > degrees acquired from this Sarini will not be accurate. Therefore it > should not be used as a Jyotish tool for births within India or > abroad. > > Since we Lal Kitab astrologers do not live and operate in isolation, > we operate within a larger community of traditional Vedic > astrologers, we have to use Jyotish tools which are universally > accepted as precise and accurate. We can not set up our own standards > which are not on par with the rest of the community. > > In spite of our findings if some one wants to continue using this > sarini, he may do so. But we would request that he/she should not > associate the name of Lal Kitab with this Sarini. We should not let > the impression go around that the Lal Kitab is archaic and > compromises with quality of precision. > > The Lal Kitab is already maligned by some as a book of Tona and > Totkas. All of us are making great efforts to get the Lal Kitab > accepted as a very valuable astrology book in the tradition of Vedic > astrology and not in the tradition of any dark and secret occult > system. > > Some of us have been very successful in our efforts to make > traditional astrologers accept that the Lal Kitab is not a book of > occult tantra, instaed it is a part of traditional Indian astrology > and that is very effective. > > Recently when a few traditional Vedic astrology groups chose to > discuss the Lal Kitab, some of us posed three simple challenges, > which no body had any answers for. > > The first challenge was to find out the most active group [messages > per month ] of all the astrology groups. The Lalkitab_remedies > group of our guru ji Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji was in the top two > groups. That shows how popular the Lal Kitab system is. No system can > be popular unless it is effective. > > The second challenge was : Can some one point out a single upaya > suggested by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji which could be called as Tantrik > or of occult. No body could find a single upaya of that nature. Thus > the impression that the Lal Kitab is a book of Tona and Totkas was > laid to rest. > > The third challenge was : go to all the groups, type the word > FEEDBACK in the search and see which group gets the most positive > feed back. There again the Lalkitab_remedies group had no > comparison. The Lalkitab remedies group was far, far ahead of the > rest. > > Therefore we would request the Lal Kitab astrologers to please, not > do any thing which could compromise the Lal Kitab. > > LET THE BOOK BE BIGGER THAN OUR EGOS > > Regards and respect to all, > > Varun Trivedi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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