Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Respected Kalsi ji, One of the group members shri Kiranjit Kumar ji has promised to upload the entire Sarini in the file section. Let us wait till he uploads it for all to see and analyse. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Shivdev Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Respected Elders, > I am a new member of your elite group of Lal kitab. A hot discussion is > going on Lagan Sarni,which was used by Pt. Rup Chand Joshi Ji. Majority of > the members has not seen this lagan sarni. For them this discussion is like > a dead trunk. > Some body told me that this lagan sarni is in Urdu and one of the member > might have > translated in Hindi for the convenience of other members who know > Hindi and provided it to them. > I request senior memebrs to provide the translation of this sarini for > all the members so that this discussion shall become more live for all > the members. > Yours > Shivdev Singh Kalsi > > > > On 10/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote: > > > > Dear Nirmal ji, > > > > Most of us are already familiar with Table of Ascendants by NC > > Lahiri. We had been using that table for years before the computers > > came to the scene. > > > > With the help of Lahiri Tables one can find the Lagna and the MC in > > no time. > > > > The point under discussion is NOT the Lahiri tables, it is the so > > called Lagna Sarini of Lal Kitab. > > > > The simple question is : > > > > How will you calculate a lagna of any one born at 85W0 : 52N0 from > > the so called Lal Kitab sarini. If you know how to do it let us > > know, otherwise accept that this Sarini can not be used for any one > > born else where except at 82E0 ; 26N0. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > KP Miglani > > > > <% 40>, > > NKB <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji, > > > It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is not > > the topic > > > of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala. > > > Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in > > Astrology > > > too and does not require any book, but for members like me I > > > reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non > > > other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita > > > Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is being > > used > > > officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are being > > > prepared on this ayaansha. > > > All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any place in > > > the world will surely be removed with the help of this book. > > > Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds to > > calculate > > > the corrections with the help of 'Table of > > > Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by > > > Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal > > corrections > > > For ease of the other > > > members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal corrections > > > based upon this book > > > and will upload > > > shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation > > will be > > > in minutes which does not make any difference as far as LalKitab is > > > concerned. > > > > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs to > > be > > > > answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna > > > > sarini. > > > > > > > > As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be corrected > > > > through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the > > > > Latitude difference? > > > > > > > > Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude > > > > correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with the > > > > concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to apply > > > > the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the > > Sarini > > > > has been drawn. > > > > > > > > Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been > > using > > > > the Lal Kitab Sarini. > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > KP Miglani > > > > > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab% 40><lalkitab% > > 40>, " lalkitabee " > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI > > > > > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh > > > > raha > > > > > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah > > > > spasht > > > > > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya > > > > siddhant > > > > > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa > > hai. > > > > > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan > > Surya > > > > > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan > > praapt > > > > > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha > > vagairah > > > > ka > > > > > janana > > > > > zaroori hota hai. > > > > > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par > > > > > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko > > > > > > > > > > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai. > > goyaa > > > > > makar sankraanti hum 14 > > > > > > > > > > janvari ko maantey hain. > > > > > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee > > > > > banaatey hain. Aur yah > > > > > > > > > > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed > > hai > > > > jo > > > > > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai. > > > > > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In > > > > > India) be used to calculate for foreign > > > > > > > > > > Birth.? > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time > > difference, > > > > > use of Latitude and Longitude in > > > > > > > > > > the calculation of Ascendant. > > > > > > > > > > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you. > > > > > My answer is NO , never. > > > > > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee > > > > > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan > > > > > > > > > > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye > > > > > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur > > > > > > > > > > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad > > par > > > > > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal > > > > > > > > > > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par > > banee > > > > > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main > > > > > > > > > > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa. > > > > > > > > > > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki > > > > > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee > > > > > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja > > > > > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat > > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh > > > > > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa > > > > > > > > > > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey > > hain. > > > > > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India > > > > > > > > > > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh > > main > > > > > paidaa hone waley insaan par > > > > > > > > > > lagoo nahi ho sakti. > > > > > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur > > par > > > > > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja > > > > > > > > > > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to > > binaa > > > > > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan > > > > > > > > > > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan > > bagal > > > > > main rakh lee jaayain. This work > > > > > > > > > > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS. > > > > > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude > > > > > and Longitude in the calculation of > > > > > > > > > > Ascendant. > > > > > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke > > liye > > > > > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum > > > > > > > > > > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee > > saarani > > > > kee > > > > > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to > > > > > > > > > > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani > > > > huyee > > > > > hai. > > > > > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka > > > > > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to > > > > > > > > > > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke > > latitude > > > > 28 N > > > > > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US > > > > > > > > > > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas > > hain, > > > > > unke liye hamain saarani main > > > > > > > > > > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap > > bataa > > > > dain > > > > > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use > > > > > > > > > > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai. > > > > > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna > > > > > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki †" > > > > > > > > > > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai? > > > > > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai? > > > > > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein > > diya > > > > hai? > > > > > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke? > > > > > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir > > hotee > > > > > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif > > hain. > > > > > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale, > > > > > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka > > angle > > > > > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng. > > bhee > > > > > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah > > > > > banaa sakain to saarani ke > > > > > > > > > > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is > > muddey > > > > > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa > > > > > > > > > > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki > > > > > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey > > bhee > > > > > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey > > huye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aapka Shubhchintak > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee > > > > > www.lalkitabee.com > > > > > Mb.9812020001 > > > > > nts <nts%40> <nts% 40>, > > NKB <nirbhar@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Iqbal Ji, > > > > > > I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in > > > > this > > > > > group and > > > > > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not > > > > > received any > > > > > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of > > mails, > > > > > yes all the > > > > > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three > > main > > > > > groups of > > > > > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I > > > > > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound > > to > > > > > happen when > > > > > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by > > posting > > > > > their words > > > > > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida). > > > > > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of > > Paapi > > > > > planets. > > > > > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the > > hell > > > > we, > > > > > so > > > > > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to > > sort > > > > > out the > > > > > > problems of others. > > > > > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can > > be > > > > used > > > > > to > > > > > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is > > more > > > > > advanced with > > > > > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way > > to > > > > > communicate > > > > > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these > > > > > unscrupulous > > > > > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this > > censorship. > > > > > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I > > > > don't > > > > > know why > > > > > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who > > is > > > > well > > > > > versed > > > > > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing > > that > > > > > what and how > > > > > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old. > > One > > > > can > > > > > create > > > > > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands > > years > > > > > old. Many > > > > > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/ > > Nanak > > > > > Ji without > > > > > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when > > there are > > > > > no meaning > > > > > > of printing. > > > > > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our > > > > > community who > > > > > > use their calculation and presentation capability and > > present the > > > > > more easy > > > > > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made, > > this > > > > is > > > > > because > > > > > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software > > > > > engineers. > > > > > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate > > for > > > > > foreign > > > > > > Birth.? > > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time > > > > difference, > > > > > use of > > > > > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant. > > > > > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan > > > > Sarini > > > > > for > > > > > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of > > > > > Ascendent for > > > > > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong > > without > > > > > knowing > > > > > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which > > > > country > > > > > and what > > > > > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted > > > > > internet vedic > > > > > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even > > pointed > > > > > out that > > > > > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general > > > > information > > > > > the > > > > > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by > > > > north) > > > > > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and > > calculate > > > > the > > > > > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very > > sarini. > > > > In > > > > > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when > > we > > > > > used to > > > > > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar > > > > > Aggarwal , we > > > > > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without > > the > > > > > help of > > > > > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris. > > > > > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth > > native > > > > > from this > > > > > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and > > Surya > > > > > Sidhant can > > > > > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the > > world > > > > > from any > > > > > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time. > > > > > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not > > > > > applied the > > > > > > necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude > > and > > > > > Latitude of > > > > > > the City. > > > > > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may > > > > through > > > > > more > > > > > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating > > > > > ascendent. It > > > > > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther > > > > projects. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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