Lagan Sarni- Attention Nirmal Ji

[Guest guest]

Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh raha

thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah spasht

karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya siddhant

aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa hai.

Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan Surya

nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan praapt

kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha vagairah ka janana

zaroori hota hai.

Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

 

hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai. goyaa

makar sankraanti hum 14

 

janvari ko maantey hain.

saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee

banaatey hain. Aur yah

 

biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed hai jo

ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

India) be used to calculate for foreign

 

Birth.?

Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

use of Latitude and Longitude in

 

the calculation of Ascendant.

 

But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

My answer is NO , never.

Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

 

ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

 

jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad par

banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

 

nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par banee

huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

 

paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

 

Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

 

hai.

Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

(Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

 

mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey hain.

Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

 

ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh main

paidaa hone waley insaan par

 

lagoo nahi ho sakti.

latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur par

(Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

 

sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to binaa

kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

 

nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan bagal

main rakh lee jaayain. This work

 

can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude

and Longitude in the calculation of

 

Ascendant.

Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke liye

kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

 

deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee saarani kee

buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

 

janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani huyee

hai.

Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka

Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

 

janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke latitude 28 N

39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

 

Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas hain,

unke liye hamain saarani main

 

kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap bataa dain

ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

 

karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

 

Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein diya hai?

Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir hotee

hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif hain.

Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka angle

kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng. bhee

hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

banaa sakain to saarani ke

 

mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is muddey

par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

 

munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey bhee

hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey huye.

 

 

 

Aapka Shubhchintak

Pt. Lalkitabee

www.lalkitabee.com

Mb.9812020001

nts , NKB <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Iqbal Ji,

> I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in this

group and

> is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

received any

> mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of mails,

yes all the

> mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three main

groups of

> Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound to

happen when

> vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

astrologers

> start using these platforms to score out their grudge by posting

their words

> against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of Paapi

planets.

> If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the hell we,

so

> called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to sort

out the

> problems of others.

> E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can be used

to

> create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is more

advanced with

> respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way to

communicate

> globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

unscrupulous

> persons at bay. I request the members to bear this censorship.

> I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I don't

know why

> this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who is well

versed

> with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing that

what and how

> to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old. One can

create

> the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands years

old. Many

> Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/ Nanak

Ji without

> using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when there are

no meaning

> of printing.

> Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

community who

> use their calculation and presentation capability and present the

more easy

> shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made, this is

because

> of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

engineers.

> Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate for

foreign

> Birth.?

> Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

use of

> Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan Sarini

for

> Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

Ascendent for

> foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong without

knowing

> that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which country

and what

> sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

internet vedic

> and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even pointed

out that

> this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general information

the

> different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by north)

> Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and calculate the

> Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very sarini. In

> astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when we

used to

> study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

Aggarwal , we

> were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without the

help of

> Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth native

from this

> very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and Surya

Sidhant can

> calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the world

from any

> lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

applied the

> necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude and

Latitude of

> the City.

> This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may through

more

> light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

ascendent. It

> may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther projects.

> Regards

>

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh raha

thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah spasht

karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya siddhant

aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa hai.

Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan Surya

nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan praapt

kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha vagairah ka

janana

zaroori hota hai.

Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

 

hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai. goyaa

makar sankraanti hum 14

 

janvari ko maantey hain.

saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee

banaatey hain. Aur yah

 

biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed hai jo

ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

India) be used to calculate for foreign

 

Birth.?

Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

use of Latitude and Longitude in

 

the calculation of Ascendant.

 

But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

My answer is NO , never.

Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

 

ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

 

jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad par

banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

 

nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par banee

huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

 

paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

 

Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

 

hai.

Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

(Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

 

mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey hain.

Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

 

ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh main

paidaa hone waley insaan par

 

lagoo nahi ho sakti.

latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur par

(Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

 

sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to binaa

kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

 

nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan bagal

main rakh lee jaayain. This work

 

can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude

and Longitude in the calculation of

 

Ascendant.

Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke liye

kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

 

deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee saarani kee

buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

 

janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani huyee

hai.

Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka

Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

 

janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke latitude 28 N

39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

 

Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas hain,

unke liye hamain saarani main

 

kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap bataa dain

ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

 

karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

 

Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein diya hai?

Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir hotee

hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif hain.

Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka angle

kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng. bhee

hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

banaa sakain to saarani ke

 

mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is muddey

par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

 

munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey bhee

hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey huye.

 

 

 

Aapka Shubhchintak

Pt. Lalkitabee

www.lalkitabee.com

Mb.9812020001

nts , NKB <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Iqbal Ji,

> I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in this

group and

> is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

received any

> mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of mails,

yes all the

> mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three main

groups of

> Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound to

happen when

> vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

astrologers

> start using these platforms to score out their grudge by posting

their words

> against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of Paapi

planets.

> If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the hell we,

so

> called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to sort

out the

> problems of others.

> E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can be used

to

> create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is more

advanced with

> respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way to

communicate

> globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

unscrupulous

> persons at bay. I request the members to bear this censorship.

> I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I don't

know why

> this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who is well

versed

> with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing that

what and how

> to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old. One can

create

> the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands years

old. Many

> Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/ Nanak

Ji without

> using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when there are

no meaning

> of printing.

> Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

community who

> use their calculation and presentation capability and present the

more easy

> shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made, this is

because

> of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

engineers.

> Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate for

foreign

> Birth.?

> Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

use of

> Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan Sarini

for

> Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

Ascendent for

> foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong without

knowing

> that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which country

and what

> sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

internet vedic

> and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even pointed

out that

> this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general information

the

> different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by north)

> Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and calculate the

> Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very sarini. In

> astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when we

used to

> study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

Aggarwal , we

> were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without the

help of

> Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth native

from this

> very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and Surya

Sidhant can

> calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the world

from any

> lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

applied the

> necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude and

Latitude of

> the City.

> This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may through

more

> light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

ascendent. It

> may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther projects.

> Regards

>

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sirs,

 

 

Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs to be

answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna

sarini.

 

As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be corrected

through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the

Latitude difference?

 

Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with the

concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to apply

the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the Sarini

has been drawn.

 

Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been using

the Lal Kitab Sarini.

 

Respectfully,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh

raha

> thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah

spasht

> karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

siddhant

> aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa hai.

> Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan Surya

> nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan

praapt

> kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha vagairah

ka janana zaroori hota hai.

> Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

>

> hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai. goyaa

> makar sankraanti hum 14

>

> janvari ko maantey hain.

> saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology)

hee

> banaatey hain. Aur yah

>

> biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed hai

jo

> ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

> India) be used to calculate for foreign

>

> Birth.?

> Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

> use of Latitude and Longitude in

>

> the calculation of Ascendant.

>

> But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> My answer is NO , never.

> Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

>

> ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

> istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

>

> jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad par

> banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

>

> nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par banee

> huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

>

> paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

>

> Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

> buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

> sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

>

> hai.

> Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

>

> mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey hain.

> Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

>

> ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh main

> paidaa hone waley insaan par

>

> lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur

par

> (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

>

> sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to binaa

> kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

>

> nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan bagal

> main rakh lee jaayain. This work

>

> can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of

Latitude

> and Longitude in the calculation of

>

> Ascendant.

> Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke

liye

> kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

>

> deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee saarani

kee

> buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

>

> janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani

huyee

> hai.

> Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America

ka

> Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

>

> janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke latitude

28 N

> 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

>

> Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas hain,

> unke liye hamain saarani main

>

> kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap bataa

dain

> ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

>

> karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

> Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

> nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

>

> Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein diya

hai?

> Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir

hotee

> hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif hain.

> Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

> compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka angle

> kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng. bhee

> hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

> banaa sakain to saarani ke

>

> mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is muddey

> par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

>

> munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

> buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey

bhee

> hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey huye.

>

>

>

> Aapka Shubhchintak

> Pt. Lalkitabee

> www.lalkitabee.com

> Mb.9812020001

> nts , NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in

this

> group and

> > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

> received any

> > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of mails,

> yes all the

> > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three main

> groups of

> > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound to

> happen when

> > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

> astrologers

> > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by posting

> their words

> > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of Paapi

> planets.

> > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the hell

we,

> so

> > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to sort

> out the

> > problems of others.

> > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can be

used

> to

> > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is more

> advanced with

> > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way to

> communicate

> > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

> unscrupulous

> > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this censorship.

> > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I

don't

> know why

> > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who is

well

> versed

> > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing that

> what and how

> > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old. One

can

> create

> > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands years

> old. Many

> > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/ Nanak

> Ji without

> > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when there are

> no meaning

> > of printing.

> > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

> community who

> > use their calculation and presentation capability and present the

> more easy

> > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made, this

is

> because

> > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

> engineers.

> > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate for

> foreign

> > Birth.?

> > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

difference,

> use of

> > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan

Sarini

> for

> > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

> Ascendent for

> > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong without

> knowing

> > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which

country

> and what

> > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

> internet vedic

> > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even pointed

> out that

> > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

information

> the

> > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by

north)

> > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and calculate

the

> > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very sarini.

In

> > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when we

> used to

> > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

> Aggarwal , we

> > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without the

> help of

> > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth native

> from this

> > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and Surya

> Sidhant can

> > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the world

> from any

> > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

> applied the

> > necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude and

> Latitude of

> > the City.

> > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may

through

> more

> > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

> ascendent. It

> > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

projects.

> > Regards

> >

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sirs,

 

Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs to be

answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna

sarini.

 

As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be corrected

through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the

Latitude difference?

 

Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with the

concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to apply

the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the Sarini

has been drawn.

 

Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been using

the Lal Kitab Sarini.

 

Respectfully,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh

raha

> thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah

spasht

> karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

siddhant

> aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa hai.

> Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan Surya

> nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan praapt

> kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha vagairah

ka

> janana

> zaroori hota hai.

> Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

>

> hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai. goyaa

> makar sankraanti hum 14

>

> janvari ko maantey hain.

> saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee

> banaatey hain. Aur yah

>

> biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed hai

jo

> ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

> India) be used to calculate for foreign

>

> Birth.?

> Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

> use of Latitude and Longitude in

>

> the calculation of Ascendant.

>

> But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> My answer is NO , never.

> Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

>

> ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

> istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

>

> jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad par

> banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

>

> nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par banee

> huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

>

> paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

>

> Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

> buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

> sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

>

> hai.

> Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

>

> mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey hain.

> Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

>

> ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh main

> paidaa hone waley insaan par

>

> lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur par

> (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

>

> sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to binaa

> kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

>

> nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan bagal

> main rakh lee jaayain. This work

>

> can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude

> and Longitude in the calculation of

>

> Ascendant.

> Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke liye

> kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

>

> deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee saarani

kee

> buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

>

> janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani

huyee

> hai.

> Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka

> Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

>

> janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke latitude

28 N

> 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

>

> Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas hain,

> unke liye hamain saarani main

>

> kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap bataa

dain

> ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

>

> karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

> Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

> nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

>

> Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein diya

hai?

> Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir hotee

> hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif hain.

> Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

> compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka angle

> kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng. bhee

> hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

> banaa sakain to saarani ke

>

> mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is muddey

> par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

>

> munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

> buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey bhee

> hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey huye.

>

>

>

> Aapka Shubhchintak

> Pt. Lalkitabee

> www.lalkitabee.com

> Mb.9812020001

> nts , NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in

this

> group and

> > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

> received any

> > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of mails,

> yes all the

> > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three main

> groups of

> > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound to

> happen when

> > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

> astrologers

> > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by posting

> their words

> > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of Paapi

> planets.

> > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the hell

we,

> so

> > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to sort

> out the

> > problems of others.

> > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can be

used

> to

> > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is more

> advanced with

> > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way to

> communicate

> > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

> unscrupulous

> > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this censorship.

> > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I

don't

> know why

> > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who is

well

> versed

> > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing that

> what and how

> > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old. One

can

> create

> > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands years

> old. Many

> > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/ Nanak

> Ji without

> > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when there are

> no meaning

> > of printing.

> > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

> community who

> > use their calculation and presentation capability and present the

> more easy

> > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made, this

is

> because

> > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

> engineers.

> > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate for

> foreign

> > Birth.?

> > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

difference,

> use of

> > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan

Sarini

> for

> > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

> Ascendent for

> > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong without

> knowing

> > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which

country

> and what

> > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

> internet vedic

> > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even pointed

> out that

> > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

information

> the

> > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by

north)

> > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and calculate

the

> > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very sarini.

In

> > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when we

> used to

> > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

> Aggarwal , we

> > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without the

> help of

> > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth native

> from this

> > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and Surya

> Sidhant can

> > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the world

> from any

> > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

> applied the

> > necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude and

> Latitude of

> > the City.

> > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may

through

> more

> > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

> ascendent. It

> > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

projects.

> > Regards

> >

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is not the topic

of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala.

Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in Astrology

too and does not require any book, but for members like me I

reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is being used

officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are being

prepared on this ayaansha.

All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any place in

the world will surely be removed with the help of this book.

Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds to calculate

the corrections with the help of 'Table of

Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by

Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal corrections

For ease of the other

members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal corrections

based upon this book

and will upload

shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation will be

in minutes which does not make any difference as far as LalKitab is

concerned.

 

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

>

> Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs to be

> answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna

> sarini.

>

> As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be corrected

> through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the

> Latitude difference?

>

> Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

> correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with the

> concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to apply

> the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the Sarini

> has been drawn.

>

> Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been using

> the Lal Kitab Sarini.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> KP Miglani

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, " lalkitabee "

> <lalkitabee wrote:

> >

> > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh

> raha

> > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah

> spasht

> > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

> siddhant

> > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa hai.

> > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan Surya

> > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan praapt

> > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha vagairah

> ka

> > janana

> > zaroori hota hai.

> > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> >

> > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai. goyaa

> > makar sankraanti hum 14

> >

> > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee

> > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> >

> > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed hai

> jo

> > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

> > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> >

> > Birth.?

> > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time difference,

> > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> >

> > the calculation of Ascendant.

> >

> > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > My answer is NO , never.

> > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> >

> > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

> > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> >

> > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad par

> > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> >

> > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par banee

> > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> >

> > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

> >

> > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

> > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

> > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> >

> > hai.

> > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> >

> > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey hain.

> > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> >

> > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh main

> > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> >

> > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur par

> > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> >

> > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to binaa

> > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> >

> > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan bagal

> > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> >

> > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude

> > and Longitude in the calculation of

> >

> > Ascendant.

> > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke liye

> > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> >

> > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee saarani

> kee

> > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> >

> > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani

> huyee

> > hai.

> > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka

> > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> >

> > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke latitude

> 28 N

> > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> >

> > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas hain,

> > unke liye hamain saarani main

> >

> > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap bataa

> dain

> > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> >

> > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

> > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

> > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

> >

> > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein diya

> hai?

> > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir hotee

> > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif hain.

> > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

> > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka angle

> > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng. bhee

> > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

> > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> >

> > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is muddey

> > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> >

> > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

> > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey bhee

> > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey huye.

> >

> >

> >

> > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > www.lalkitabee.com

> > Mb.9812020001

> > nts <nts%40>, NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in

> this

> > group and

> > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

> > received any

> > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of mails,

> > yes all the

> > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three main

> > groups of

> > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound to

> > happen when

> > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

> > astrologers

> > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by posting

> > their words

> > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of Paapi

> > planets.

> > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the hell

> we,

> > so

> > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to sort

> > out the

> > > problems of others.

> > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can be

> used

> > to

> > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is more

> > advanced with

> > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way to

> > communicate

> > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

> > unscrupulous

> > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this censorship.

> > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I

> don't

> > know why

> > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who is

> well

> > versed

> > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing that

> > what and how

> > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old. One

> can

> > create

> > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands years

> > old. Many

> > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/ Nanak

> > Ji without

> > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when there are

> > no meaning

> > > of printing.

> > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

> > community who

> > > use their calculation and presentation capability and present the

> > more easy

> > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made, this

> is

> > because

> > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

> > engineers.

> > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate for

> > foreign

> > > Birth.?

> > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> difference,

> > use of

> > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan

> Sarini

> > for

> > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

> > Ascendent for

> > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong without

> > knowing

> > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which

> country

> > and what

> > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

> > internet vedic

> > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even pointed

> > out that

> > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

> information

> > the

> > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by

> north)

> > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and calculate

> the

> > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very sarini.

> In

> > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when we

> > used to

> > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

> > Aggarwal , we

> > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without the

> > help of

> > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth native

> > from this

> > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and Surya

> > Sidhant can

> > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the world

> > from any

> > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

> > applied the

> > > necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude and

> > Latitude of

> > > the City.

> > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may

> through

> > more

> > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

> > ascendent. It

> > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

> projects.

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

 

The lahiri Ayanansh that you have mentioned was not found out by

shri NC Lahiri. It was worked out by a renowned Maharashtrian

astrologer named Pt. Ketkar. This ayanansh is technically known as

Ketaki Chitra paksheeya ayanansh, meaning the ayanash evolved by

Pt.Ketkar which is based on the nakshtra star Chitra.

NC Lahiri, was a member of the Rashtriya Panchang Samiti, created by

Nehru ji to formulate our national panchang. Shri Lahiri suggested

that the Ketkar ayanansh be accepted as the most accurate ayanansh.

The commitee accepted the ayanansh as the official ayanansh to be

used in Rashtriya Panchang. It was since then it came to be known as

Lahiri ayanansha.

 

As regards your mention of correction for Latitude given in Lahiri

Table of Ascendants, do you know it requires to measure the distance

in miles. That correction can be used only for places situated

within a few miles on either side of the Latitude on which the

readings from the Table of ascendants has been taken. For example

you can find out the lagna at Mohali if you know the Lagna at

Chandigarh by incorporating the corrections found from the table

given by Lahiri.

 

But suppose you have the Lagna at madras and you have to find the

Lagna at Toronto, then in order to incorporate the difference you

have to work out the distance in miles from Delhi to Toronto and

then work out the diagonal of it. If you think it is easy and

practical to do you are most welcome.

 

I think using the available softwares would be the most acceptable

thing.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , NKB <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

> It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is not

the topic

> of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala.

> Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in

Astrology

> too and does not require any book, but for members like me I

> reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

> other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

> Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is being

used

> officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are being

> prepared on this ayaansha.

> All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any place in

> the world will surely be removed with the help of this book.

> Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds to

calculate

> the corrections with the help of 'Table of

> Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by

> Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal

corrections

> For ease of the other

> members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal corrections

> based upon this book

> and will upload

> shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation

will be

> in minutes which does not make any difference as far as LalKitab is

> concerned.

>

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> >

> > Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs to

be

> > answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna

> > sarini.

> >

> > As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be corrected

> > through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the

> > Latitude difference?

> >

> > Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

> > correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with the

> > concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to apply

> > the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the

Sarini

> > has been drawn.

> >

> > Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been

using

> > the Lal Kitab Sarini.

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> > lalkitab <lalkitab%

40>, " lalkitabee "

> > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh

> > raha

> > > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah

> > spasht

> > > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

> > siddhant

> > > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa

hai.

> > > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan

Surya

> > > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan

praapt

> > > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha

vagairah

> > ka

> > > janana

> > > zaroori hota hai.

> > > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> > >

> > > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai.

goyaa

> > > makar sankraanti hum 14

> > >

> > > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee

> > > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> > >

> > > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed

hai

> > jo

> > > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

> > > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> > >

> > > Birth.?

> > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

difference,

> > > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> > >

> > > the calculation of Ascendant.

> > >

> > > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > > My answer is NO , never.

> > > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> > > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> > >

> > > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

> > > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> > >

> > > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad

par

> > > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> > >

> > > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par

banee

> > > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> > >

> > > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

> > >

> > > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

> > > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

> > > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> > >

> > > hai.

> > > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> > > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> > >

> > > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey

hain.

> > > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> > >

> > > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh

main

> > > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> > >

> > > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur

par

> > > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> > >

> > > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to

binaa

> > > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> > >

> > > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan

bagal

> > > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> > >

> > > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude

> > > and Longitude in the calculation of

> > >

> > > Ascendant.

> > > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke

liye

> > > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> > >

> > > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee

saarani

> > kee

> > > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> > >

> > > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani

> > huyee

> > > hai.

> > > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka

> > > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> > >

> > > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke

latitude

> > 28 N

> > > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> > >

> > > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas

hain,

> > > unke liye hamain saarani main

> > >

> > > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap

bataa

> > dain

> > > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> > >

> > > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

> > > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

> > > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

> > >

> > > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein

diya

> > hai?

> > > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir

hotee

> > > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif

hain.

> > > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

> > > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka

angle

> > > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng.

bhee

> > > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

> > > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> > >

> > > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is

muddey

> > > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> > >

> > > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

> > > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey

bhee

> > > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey

huye.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > Mb.9812020001

> > > nts <nts%40>, NKB <nirbhar@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > > I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in

> > this

> > > group and

> > > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

> > > received any

> > > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of

mails,

> > > yes all the

> > > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three

main

> > > groups of

> > > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound

to

> > > happen when

> > > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

> > > astrologers

> > > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by

posting

> > > their words

> > > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of

Paapi

> > > planets.

> > > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the

hell

> > we,

> > > so

> > > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to

sort

> > > out the

> > > > problems of others.

> > > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can

be

> > used

> > > to

> > > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is

more

> > > advanced with

> > > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way

to

> > > communicate

> > > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

> > > unscrupulous

> > > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this

censorship.

> > > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I

> > don't

> > > know why

> > > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who

is

> > well

> > > versed

> > > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing

that

> > > what and how

> > > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old.

One

> > can

> > > create

> > > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands

years

> > > old. Many

> > > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/

Nanak

> > > Ji without

> > > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when

there are

> > > no meaning

> > > > of printing.

> > > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

> > > community who

> > > > use their calculation and presentation capability and

present the

> > > more easy

> > > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made,

this

> > is

> > > because

> > > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

> > > engineers.

> > > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate

for

> > > foreign

> > > > Birth.?

> > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > difference,

> > > use of

> > > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan

> > Sarini

> > > for

> > > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

> > > Ascendent for

> > > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong

without

> > > knowing

> > > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which

> > country

> > > and what

> > > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

> > > internet vedic

> > > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even

pointed

> > > out that

> > > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

> > information

> > > the

> > > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by

> > north)

> > > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and

calculate

> > the

> > > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very

sarini.

> > In

> > > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when

we

> > > used to

> > > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

> > > Aggarwal , we

> > > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without

the

> > > help of

> > > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth

native

> > > from this

> > > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and

Surya

> > > Sidhant can

> > > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the

world

> > > from any

> > > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

> > > applied the

> > > > necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude

and

> > > Latitude of

> > > > the City.

> > > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may

> > through

> > > more

> > > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

> > > ascendent. It

> > > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

> > projects.

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Miglani ji,

Thanks for correcting me. i was in the opinion that it was invented by

Lahiri from its Name.Generally the inventor remains anonymous to the world

as in this case.

Miglani ji, finding correction

coefficient is little bit tricky. You know the ascendent changes as

the sidereal time. ascendent is given in under

tables in the last pages for each latitude for 0

hours to 23 hours sidereal time. from here one can calculate the

differnece of ascendent between

lattitudes.SInce this type of tables are of less use now a days, but one

should be familiar with the working of these tables. i reccomend for general

users to start calculating difference through normal astrology programm by

changing the value of lattitude gradually from 0N0-0 to 60N0-0.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

 

On 10/10/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

>

>

> Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

>

> The lahiri Ayanansh that you have mentioned was not found out by

> shri NC Lahiri. It was worked out by a renowned Maharashtrian

> astrologer named Pt. Ketkar. This ayanansh is technically known as

> Ketaki Chitra paksheeya ayanansh, meaning the ayanash evolved by

> Pt.Ketkar which is based on the nakshtra star Chitra.

> NC Lahiri, was a member of the Rashtriya Panchang Samiti, created by

> Nehru ji to formulate our national panchang. Shri Lahiri suggested

> that the Ketkar ayanansh be accepted as the most accurate ayanansh.

> The commitee accepted the ayanansh as the official ayanansh to be

> used in Rashtriya Panchang. It was since then it came to be known as

> Lahiri ayanansha.

>

> As regards your mention of correction for Latitude given in Lahiri

> Table of Ascendants, do you know it requires to measure the distance

> in miles. That correction can be used only for places situated

> within a few miles on either side of the Latitude on which the

> readings from the Table of ascendants has been taken. For example

> you can find out the lagna at Mohali if you know the Lagna at

> Chandigarh by incorporating the corrections found from the table

> given by Lahiri.

>

> But suppose you have the Lagna at madras and you have to find the

> Lagna at Toronto, then in order to incorporate the difference you

> have to work out the distance in miles from Delhi to Toronto and

> then work out the diagonal of it. If you think it is easy and

> practical to do you are most welcome.

>

> I think using the available softwares would be the most acceptable

> thing.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, NKB

> <nirbhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

> > It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is not

> the topic

> > of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala.

> > Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in

> Astrology

> > too and does not require any book, but for members like me I

> > reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

> > other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

> > Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is being

> used

> > officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are being

> > prepared on this ayaansha.

> > All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any place in

> > the world will surely be removed with the help of this book.

> > Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds to

> calculate

> > the corrections with the help of 'Table of

> > Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by

> > Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal

> corrections

> > For ease of the other

> > members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal corrections

> > based upon this book

> > and will upload

> > shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation

> will be

> > in minutes which does not make any difference as far as LalKitab is

> > concerned.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > >

> > > Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs to

> be

> > > answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna

> > > sarini.

> > >

> > > As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be corrected

> > > through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the

> > > Latitude difference?

> > >

> > > Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

> > > correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with the

> > > concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to apply

> > > the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the

> Sarini

> > > has been drawn.

> > >

> > > Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been

> using

> > > the Lal Kitab Sarini.

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40>, " lalkitabee "

> > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > > > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko padh

> > > raha

> > > > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main yah

> > > spasht

> > > > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

> > > siddhant

> > > > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa jaataa

> hai.

> > > > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan

> Surya

> > > > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan

> praapt

> > > > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha

> vagairah

> > > ka

> > > > janana

> > > > zaroori hota hai.

> > > > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > > > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> > > >

> > > > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai.

> goyaa

> > > > makar sankraanti hum 14

> > > >

> > > > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > > > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology) hee

> > > > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> > > >

> > > > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee breed

> hai

> > > jo

> > > > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > > > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In

> > > > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> > > >

> > > > Birth.?

> > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> difference,

> > > > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> > > >

> > > > the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > >

> > > > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > > > My answer is NO , never.

> > > > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> > > > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> > > >

> > > > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke liye

> > > > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> > > >

> > > > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee buniyaad

> par

> > > > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> > > >

> > > > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par

> banee

> > > > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> > > >

> > > > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

> > > >

> > > > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude) ki

> > > > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > > > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi ki ja

> > > > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> > > >

> > > > hai.

> > > > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> > > > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> > > >

> > > > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey

> hain.

> > > > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> > > >

> > > > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani videsh

> main

> > > > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> > > >

> > > > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > > > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey taur

> par

> > > > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> > > >

> > > > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to

> binaa

> > > > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> > > >

> > > > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan

> bagal

> > > > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> > > >

> > > > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > > > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of Latitude

> > > > and Longitude in the calculation of

> > > >

> > > > Ascendant.

> > > > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay ke

> liye

> > > > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> > > >

> > > > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee

> saarani

> > > kee

> > > > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> > > >

> > > > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani bani

> > > huyee

> > > > hai.

> > > > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America ka

> > > > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> > > >

> > > > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke

> latitude

> > > 28 N

> > > > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> > > >

> > > > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas

> hain,

> > > > unke liye hamain saarani main

> > > >

> > > > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap

> bataa

> > > dain

> > > > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> > > >

> > > > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa hai.

> > > > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke lagna

> > > > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

> > > >

> > > > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > > > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > > > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein

> diya

> > > hai?

> > > > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > > > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir

> hotee

> > > > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif

> hain.

> > > > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki scale,

> > > > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka

> angle

> > > > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng.

> bhee

> > > > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap yah

> > > > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> > > >

> > > > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is

> muddey

> > > > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> > > >

> > > > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge ki

> > > > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke tevey

> bhee

> > > > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan nikaltey

> huye.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > > Mb.9812020001

> > > > nts <nts%40> <nts%40>,

> NKB <nirbhar@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > > > I read your posting in other group that you put some mails in

> > > this

> > > > group and

> > > > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has not

> > > > received any

> > > > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of

> mails,

> > > > yes all the

> > > > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the three

> main

> > > > groups of

> > > > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is bound

> to

> > > > happen when

> > > > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst few

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by

> posting

> > > > their words

> > > > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs of

> Paapi

> > > > planets.

> > > > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the

> hell

> > > we,

> > > > so

> > > > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing to

> sort

> > > > out the

> > > > > problems of others.

> > > > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which can

> be

> > > used

> > > > to

> > > > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is

> more

> > > > advanced with

> > > > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best way

> to

> > > > communicate

> > > > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep these

> > > > unscrupulous

> > > > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this

> censorship.

> > > > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other groups. I

> > > don't

> > > > know why

> > > > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer who

> is

> > > well

> > > > versed

> > > > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing

> that

> > > > what and how

> > > > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old.

> One

> > > can

> > > > create

> > > > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands

> years

> > > > old. Many

> > > > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/ Krishan/

> Nanak

> > > > Ji without

> > > > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when

> there are

> > > > no meaning

> > > > > of printing.

> > > > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from our

> > > > community who

> > > > > use their calculation and presentation capability and

> present the

> > > > more easy

> > > > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares made,

> this

> > > is

> > > > because

> > > > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the software

> > > > engineers.

> > > > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate

> for

> > > > foreign

> > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > > difference,

> > > > use of

> > > > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras Lagan

> > > Sarini

> > > > for

> > > > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for calculation of

> > > > Ascendent for

> > > > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong

> without

> > > > knowing

> > > > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for which

> > > country

> > > > and what

> > > > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A noted

> > > > internet vedic

> > > > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even

> pointed

> > > > out that

> > > > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

> > > information

> > > > the

> > > > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than by

> > > north)

> > > > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and

> calculate

> > > the

> > > > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very

> sarini.

> > > In

> > > > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that when

> we

> > > > used to

> > > > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr. Amar

> > > > Aggarwal , we

> > > > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even without

> the

> > > > help of

> > > > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth

> native

> > > > from this

> > > > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and

> Surya

> > > > Sidhant can

> > > > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the

> world

> > > > from any

> > > > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/not

> > > > applied the

> > > > > necessary correction for the city with respect to Longitude

> and

> > > > Latitude of

> > > > > the City.

> > > > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may

> > > through

> > > > more

> > > > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of calculating

> > > > ascendent. It

> > > > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

> > > projects.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirmal ji,

 

I had been using the Lahiri tables for decades to work out the

ascendant and the MC. I switched over to the software just a few

years ago. Therefore I am very well familiar with it as also with ST.

 

You know very well that one can not find a Lagna for 50 north

latitude from the so called Lal Kitab Lagna sarini. He has to use

some other tables of ascendant or a software to find a Lagna for any

other place other than 82E0 and 26N0 for which the Lal Kitab lagna

sarini is drawn for.

 

I think it would be better that you stop defending some thing which

is undefendable.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , NKB <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Miglani ji,

> Thanks for correcting me. i was in the opinion that it was

invented by

> Lahiri from its Name.Generally the inventor remains anonymous to

the world

> as in this case.

> Miglani ji, finding correction

> coefficient is little bit tricky. You know the ascendent changes as

> the sidereal time. ascendent is given in under

> tables in the last pages for each latitude for 0

> hours to 23 hours sidereal time. from here one can calculate the

> differnece of ascendent between

> lattitudes.SInce this type of tables are of less use now a days,

but one

> should be familiar with the working of these tables. i reccomend

for general

> users to start calculating difference through normal astrology

programm by

> changing the value of lattitude gradually from 0N0-0 to 60N0-0.

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> On 10/10/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

> >

> > The lahiri Ayanansh that you have mentioned was not found out by

> > shri NC Lahiri. It was worked out by a renowned Maharashtrian

> > astrologer named Pt. Ketkar. This ayanansh is technically known

as

> > Ketaki Chitra paksheeya ayanansh, meaning the ayanash evolved by

> > Pt.Ketkar which is based on the nakshtra star Chitra.

> > NC Lahiri, was a member of the Rashtriya Panchang Samiti,

created by

> > Nehru ji to formulate our national panchang. Shri Lahiri

suggested

> > that the Ketkar ayanansh be accepted as the most accurate

ayanansh.

> > The commitee accepted the ayanansh as the official ayanansh to be

> > used in Rashtriya Panchang. It was since then it came to be

known as

> > Lahiri ayanansha.

> >

> > As regards your mention of correction for Latitude given in

Lahiri

> > Table of Ascendants, do you know it requires to measure the

distance

> > in miles. That correction can be used only for places situated

> > within a few miles on either side of the Latitude on which the

> > readings from the Table of ascendants has been taken. For example

> > you can find out the lagna at Mohali if you know the Lagna at

> > Chandigarh by incorporating the corrections found from the table

> > given by Lahiri.

> >

> > But suppose you have the Lagna at madras and you have to find the

> > Lagna at Toronto, then in order to incorporate the difference you

> > have to work out the distance in miles from Delhi to Toronto and

> > then work out the diagonal of it. If you think it is easy and

> > practical to do you are most welcome.

> >

> > I think using the available softwares would be the most

acceptable

> > thing.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, NKB

> > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

> > > It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is

not

> > the topic

> > > of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala.

> > > Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in

> > Astrology

> > > too and does not require any book, but for members like me I

> > > reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

> > > other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

> > > Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is

being

> > used

> > > officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are

being

> > > prepared on this ayaansha.

> > > All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any

place in

> > > the world will surely be removed with the help of this book.

> > > Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds

to

> > calculate

> > > the corrections with the help of 'Table of

> > > Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by

> > > Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal

> > corrections

> > > For ease of the other

> > > members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal

corrections

> > > based upon this book

> > > and will upload

> > > shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation

> > will be

> > > in minutes which does not make any difference as far as

LalKitab is

> > > concerned.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which

needs to

> > be

> > > > answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab

Lagna

> > > > sarini.

> > > >

> > > > As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be

corrected

> > > > through the time difference, but how would one incorporate

the

> > > > Latitude difference?

> > > >

> > > > Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

> > > > correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar

with the

> > > > concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to

apply

> > > > the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the

> > Sarini

> > > > has been drawn.

> > > >

> > > > Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been

> > using

> > > > the Lal Kitab Sarini.

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%

40><lalkitab%

> > 40>, " lalkitabee "

> > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > > > > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko

padh

> > > > raha

> > > > > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main

yah

> > > > spasht

> > > > > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

> > > > siddhant

> > > > > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa

jaataa

> > hai.

> > > > > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan

> > Surya

> > > > > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan

lagan

> > praapt

> > > > > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha

> > vagairah

> > > > ka

> > > > > janana

> > > > > zaroori hota hai.

> > > > > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > > > > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> > > > >

> > > > > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa

hai.

> > goyaa

> > > > > makar sankraanti hum 14

> > > > >

> > > > > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > > > > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical

Astrology) hee

> > > > > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> > > > >

> > > > > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee

breed

> > hai

> > > > jo

> > > > > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > > > > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni

(Made In

> > > > > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > difference,

> > > > > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> > > > >

> > > > > the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > > > > My answer is NO , never.

> > > > > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> > > > > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> > > > >

> > > > > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke

liye

> > > > > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> > > > >

> > > > > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee

buniyaad

> > par

> > > > > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> > > > >

> > > > > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par

> > banee

> > > > > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> > > > >

> > > > > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur

Longitude) ki

> > > > > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > > > > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi

ki ja

> > > > > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> > > > >

> > > > > hai.

> > > > > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> > > > > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> > > > >

> > > > > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar

saktey

> > hain.

> > > > > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> > > > >

> > > > > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani

videsh

> > main

> > > > > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> > > > >

> > > > > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > > > > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey

taur

> > par

> > > > > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> > > > >

> > > > > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to

> > binaa

> > > > > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> > > > >

> > > > > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan

saaraniyaan

> > bagal

> > > > > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> > > > >

> > > > > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > > > > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of

Latitude

> > > > > and Longitude in the calculation of

> > > > >

> > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction)

samay ke

> > liye

> > > > > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> > > > >

> > > > > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee

> > saarani

> > > > kee

> > > > > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> > > > >

> > > > > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani

bani

> > > > huyee

> > > > > hai.

> > > > > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America

ka

> > > > > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> > > > >

> > > > > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke

> > latitude

> > > > 28 N

> > > > > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> > > > >

> > > > > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke

aaspaas

> > hain,

> > > > > unke liye hamain saarani main

> > > > >

> > > > > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap

> > bataa

> > > > dain

> > > > > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> > > > >

> > > > > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa

hai.

> > > > > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke

lagna

> > > > > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

> > > > >

> > > > > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > > > > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > > > > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein

> > diya

> > > > hai?

> > > > > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > > > > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir

> > hotee

> > > > > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif

> > hain.

> > > > > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki

scale,

> > > > > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka

> > angle

> > > > > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil

Eng.

> > bhee

> > > > > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar

aap yah

> > > > > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> > > > >

> > > > > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is

> > muddey

> > > > > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> > > > >

> > > > > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki

knowledge ki

> > > > > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke

tevey

> > bhee

> > > > > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan

nikaltey

> > huye.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > > > Mb.9812020001

> > > > > nts <nts%40> <nts%

40>,

> > NKB <nirbhar@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > > > > I read your posting in other group that you put some

mails in

> > > > this

> > > > > group and

> > > > > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group

has not

> > > > > received any

> > > > > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of

> > mails,

> > > > > yes all the

> > > > > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the

three

> > main

> > > > > groups of

> > > > > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > > > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is

bound

> > to

> > > > > happen when

> > > > > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst

few

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by

> > posting

> > > > > their words

> > > > > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > > > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs

of

> > Paapi

> > > > > planets.

> > > > > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what

the

> > hell

> > > > we,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing

to

> > sort

> > > > > out the

> > > > > > problems of others.

> > > > > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which

can

> > be

> > > > used

> > > > > to

> > > > > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is

> > more

> > > > > advanced with

> > > > > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best

way

> > to

> > > > > communicate

> > > > > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep

these

> > > > > unscrupulous

> > > > > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this

> > censorship.

> > > > > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other

groups. I

> > > > don't

> > > > > know why

> > > > > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer

who

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > versed

> > > > > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be

knowing

> > that

> > > > > what and how

> > > > > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries

old.

> > One

> > > > can

> > > > > create

> > > > > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is

thousands

> > years

> > > > > old. Many

> > > > > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/

Krishan/

> > Nanak

> > > > > Ji without

> > > > > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when

> > there are

> > > > > no meaning

> > > > > > of printing.

> > > > > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from

our

> > > > > community who

> > > > > > use their calculation and presentation capability and

> > present the

> > > > > more easy

> > > > > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares

made,

> > this

> > > > is

> > > > > because

> > > > > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the

software

> > > > > engineers.

> > > > > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to

calculate

> > for

> > > > > foreign

> > > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > > > difference,

> > > > > use of

> > > > > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras

Lagan

> > > > Sarini

> > > > > for

> > > > > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for

calculation of

> > > > > Ascendent for

> > > > > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong

> > without

> > > > > knowing

> > > > > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for

which

> > > > country

> > > > > and what

> > > > > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A

noted

> > > > > internet vedic

> > > > > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even

> > pointed

> > > > > out that

> > > > > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

> > > > information

> > > > > the

> > > > > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than

by

> > > > north)

> > > > > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and

> > calculate

> > > > the

> > > > > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very

> > sarini.

> > > > In

> > > > > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that

when

> > we

> > > > > used to

> > > > > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr.

Amar

> > > > > Aggarwal , we

> > > > > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even

without

> > the

> > > > > help of

> > > > > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > > > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth

> > native

> > > > > from this

> > > > > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy

and

> > Surya

> > > > > Sidhant can

> > > > > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of

the

> > world

> > > > > from any

> > > > > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > > > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji

applied/not

> > > > > applied the

> > > > > > necessary correction for the city with respect to

Longitude

> > and

> > > > > Latitude of

> > > > > > the City.

> > > > > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other

may

> > > > through

> > > > > more

> > > > > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of

calculating

> > > > > ascendent. It

> > > > > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

> > > > projects.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Respected Kalsi Ji,

It is nice to have new member with us. Please Try to post the message

individualy in the relevent group. you have forwarded the message

posted at other group. Please put the address of group

in address bar and use copy paste function if you want to post the

same querry in different groups.

With the newbie these oversights generally occur,we also did the same

in our earlier days so Never mind.

Please dont be so much curious about this Lagan Sarni. It is just

like any other Sarni.The only individuality in this sarni is that it

was being used by Pt. Rup Chand Joshi Ji. That is why it is more

valuable for us. All these types of items are manuscripts to be

preserved.

Be assured that your request has been recieved by every Lalkitabee

and if these are tranliterated by any one you will get it.

I request all the LalKitabees that try to fulfill the requirement of

our young generation

Best regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

, " Shivdev

Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi

> Oct 11, 2007 5:27 PM

> Re: Lal Kitab Discussion Group [lalkitab] Re: Lagan Sarni-

> Attention Nirmal Ji

>

>

> Respected Elders,

> I am a new member of your elite group of Lal kitab. A hot

discussion is

> going on Lagan Sarni,which was used by Pt. Rup Chand Joshi Ji.

Majority of

> the members has not seen this lagan sarni. For them this discussion

is like

> a dead trunk.

> Some body told me that this lagan sarni is in Urdu and one of the

member

> might have

> translated in Hindi for the convenience of other members

> who know Hindi and provided it to them.

> I request senior memebrs to provide the translation of

> this sarini for all the members so that this discussio

> n shall become more live for all the members.

> Yours

> Shivdev Singh Kalsi

>

>

>

> On 10/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal ji,

> >

> > Most of us are already familiar with Table of Ascendants by NC

> > Lahiri. We had been using that table for years before the

computers

> > came to the scene.

> >

> > With the help of Lahiri Tables one can find the Lagna and the MC

in

> > no time.

> >

> > The point under discussion is NOT the Lahiri tables, it is the so

> > called Lagna Sarini of Lal Kitab.

> >

> > The simple question is :

> >

> > How will you calculate a lagna of any one born at 85W0 : 52N0 from

> > the so called Lal Kitab sarini. If you know how to do it let us

> > know, otherwise accept that this Sarini can not be used for any

one

> > born else where except at 82E0 ; 26N0.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> > --- In

<%40>,

> > NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

> > > It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is

not

> > the topic

> > > of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala.

> > > Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in

> > Astrology

> > > too and does not require any book, but for members like me I

> > > reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

> > > other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

> > > Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is being

> > used

> > > officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are

being

> > > prepared on this ayaansha.

> > > All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any

place in

> > > the world will surely be removed with the help of this book.

> > > Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds to

> > calculate

> > > the corrections with the help of 'Table of

> > > Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by

> > > Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal

> > corrections

> > > For ease of the other

> > > members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal

corrections

> > > based upon this book

> > > and will upload

> > > shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation

> > will be

> > > in minutes which does not make any difference as far as

LalKitab is

> > > concerned.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which needs

to

> > be

> > > > answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab Lagna

> > > > sarini.

> > > >

> > > > As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be

corrected

> > > > through the time difference, but how would one incorporate the

> > > > Latitude difference?

> > > >

> > > > Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

> > > > correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar with

the

> > > > concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to

apply

> > > > the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the

> > Sarini

> > > > has been drawn.

> > > >

> > > > Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been

> > using

> > > > the Lal Kitab Sarini.

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab

<lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> > 40>, " lalkitabee "

> > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > > > > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko

padh

> > > > raha

> > > > > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main

yah

> > > > spasht

> > > > > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

> > > > siddhant

> > > > > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa

jaataa

> > hai.

> > > > > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan

> > Surya

> > > > > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan lagan

> > praapt

> > > > > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha

> > vagairah

> > > > ka

> > > > > janana

> > > > > zaroori hota hai.

> > > > > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > > > > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> > > > >

> > > > > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa hai.

> > goyaa

> > > > > makar sankraanti hum 14

> > > > >

> > > > > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > > > > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical Astrology)

hee

> > > > > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> > > > >

> > > > > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee

breed

> > hai

> > > > jo

> > > > > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > > > > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni (Made

In

> > > > > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > difference,

> > > > > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> > > > >

> > > > > the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > >

> > > > > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > > > > My answer is NO , never.

> > > > > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> > > > > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> > > > >

> > > > > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke

liye

> > > > > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> > > > >

> > > > > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee

buniyaad

> > par

> > > > > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> > > > >

> > > > > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par

> > banee

> > > > > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> > > > >

> > > > > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur Longitude)

ki

> > > > > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > > > > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi

ki ja

> > > > > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> > > > >

> > > > > hai.

> > > > > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> > > > > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> > > > >

> > > > > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar saktey

> > hain.

> > > > > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> > > > >

> > > > > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani

videsh

> > main

> > > > > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> > > > >

> > > > > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > > > > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey

taur

> > par

> > > > > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> > > > >

> > > > > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to

> > binaa

> > > > > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> > > > >

> > > > > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan saaraniyaan

> > bagal

> > > > > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> > > > >

> > > > > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > > > > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of

Latitude

> > > > > and Longitude in the calculation of

> > > > >

> > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction) samay

ke

> > liye

> > > > > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> > > > >

> > > > > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee

> > saarani

> > > > kee

> > > > > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> > > > >

> > > > > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani

bani

> > > > huyee

> > > > > hai.

> > > > > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America

ka

> > > > > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> > > > >

> > > > > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke

> > latitude

> > > > 28 N

> > > > > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> > > > >

> > > > > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke aaspaas

> > hain,

> > > > > unke liye hamain saarani main

> > > > >

> > > > > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap

> > bataa

> > > > dain

> > > > > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> > > > >

> > > > > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa

hai.

> > > > > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke

lagna

> > > > > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki †"

> > > > >

> > > > > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > > > > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > > > > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein

> > diya

> > > > hai?

> > > > > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > > > > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir

> > hotee

> > > > > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif

> > hain.

> > > > > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki

scale,

> > > > > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka

> > angle

> > > > > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil Eng.

> > bhee

> > > > > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar aap

yah

> > > > > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> > > > >

> > > > > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is

> > muddey

> > > > > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> > > > >

> > > > > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki knowledge

ki

> > > > > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke

tevey

> > bhee

> > > > > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan

nikaltey

> > huye.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > > > Mb.9812020001

> > > > > nts <nts%40>

<nts%40>,

> > NKB <nirbhar@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > > > > I read your posting in other group that you put some

mails in

> > > > this

> > > > > group and

> > > > > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group has

not

> > > > > received any

> > > > > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of

> > mails,

> > > > > yes all the

> > > > > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the

three

> > main

> > > > > groups of

> > > > > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > > > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is

bound

> > to

> > > > > happen when

> > > > > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst

few

> > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by

> > posting

> > > > > their words

> > > > > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > > > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs

of

> > Paapi

> > > > > planets.

> > > > > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what the

> > hell

> > > > we,

> > > > > so

> > > > > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing

to

> > sort

> > > > > out the

> > > > > > problems of others.

> > > > > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which

can

> > be

> > > > used

> > > > > to

> > > > > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is

> > more

> > > > > advanced with

> > > > > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best

way

> > to

> > > > > communicate

> > > > > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep

these

> > > > > unscrupulous

> > > > > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this

> > censorship.

> > > > > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other

groups. I

> > > > don't

> > > > > know why

> > > > > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer

who

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > versed

> > > > > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be knowing

> > that

> > > > > what and how

> > > > > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries old.

> > One

> > > > can

> > > > > create

> > > > > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is thousands

> > years

> > > > > old. Many

> > > > > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/

Krishan/

> > Nanak

> > > > > Ji without

> > > > > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when

> > there are

> > > > > no meaning

> > > > > > of printing.

> > > > > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from

our

> > > > > community who

> > > > > > use their calculation and presentation capability and

> > present the

> > > > > more easy

> > > > > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares

made,

> > this

> > > > is

> > > > > because

> > > > > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the

software

> > > > > engineers.

> > > > > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to calculate

> > for

> > > > > foreign

> > > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > > > difference,

> > > > > use of

> > > > > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras

Lagan

> > > > Sarini

> > > > > for

> > > > > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for

calculation of

> > > > > Ascendent for

> > > > > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong

> > without

> > > > > knowing

> > > > > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for

which

> > > > country

> > > > > and what

> > > > > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A

noted

> > > > > internet vedic

> > > > > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even

> > pointed

> > > > > out that

> > > > > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

> > > > information

> > > > > the

> > > > > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than

by

> > > > north)

> > > > > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and

> > calculate

> > > > the

> > > > > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very

> > sarini.

> > > > In

> > > > > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that

when

> > we

> > > > > used to

> > > > > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr.

Amar

> > > > > Aggarwal , we

> > > > > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even

without

> > the

> > > > > help of

> > > > > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > > > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth

> > native

> > > > > from this

> > > > > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy and

> > Surya

> > > > > Sidhant can

> > > > > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of the

> > world

> > > > > from any

> > > > > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > > > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji applied/

not

> > > > > applied the

> > > > > > necessary correction for the city with respect to

Longitude

> > and

> > > > > Latitude of

> > > > > > the City.

> > > > > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other may

> > > > through

> > > > > more

> > > > > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of

calculating

> > > > > ascendent. It

> > > > > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

> > > > projects.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Miglani Ji,

I have heard too much of about this lagan Sarni and but able to

get 10 pages only. These pages does not speak much of this lagan Sarni. Even

the page which gives the year of publication is not available in these

pages. I shall be obliged if anyone send the complete sarni to me. In fact *I

could not find the word*s " *LalKitab Lagan Sarn*i " in these

pages. I feel this name is given to this sarni just now.

Secondly Lot of lagan Sarnis always are calculated and printed with a

particular

place. There is no uniform code of conduct for printing these Sarnis.

Therefore it is left only to publisher/printer. It is not mandatory

for any publisher to give whole lot of data mere for a lagan sarni.

Even

in very famous panchangs which publish Lagan sarni for different Cities

today sometime left these minutes details assuming that astrologer might be

knowing these small factors.

it is the first most lesson taught to an astrologer - how to calculate an

ascendant with different locations all over

the world. I don't know why the experienced astrologers making hue and cry mere

that method is not given in the sarni

.. If an astrologer cannot workout the ascendant of a foriegn birth

from a given lagan sarni then it is not the fault of lagan Sarni.

it is shows the Nalayqi of that very astrologer who forgot the first

lesson of his profession.

* It might be graceful for him to explain

" Look I have added my experience in this Lagan Sarni. I am giving

method of calculate ascendent of foriegn birth with this lagan sarni "

*

Further more there are many other lagan sarni are available use them. Nobody

asked any astrologer that why he is using 'Table of Ascendant',

'Software' or any other mean. It is only upto the astrologer convenience to

use whatsoever he likes. .

You are right to the extent that one cannot find a Lagna for 50

north latitude from the not only with 'your called Lal Kitab Lagna sarini'

*b**ut also from any other lagan sarnis published in India*. He has to

use some other

tables either be given in that lagan sarni or from 'Table of ascendant' or a

software or his own intelligence to find a Lagna for any

other place. Regarding the place for which the Lal Kitab lagna

sarini is drawn I cannot comment as i have not full sarni but comment to the

extent that words are written in that sarni Lagan Sarni (Madras Time.) and

conflicting view are received from fellow members regarding the year and

place for which the sarni is based.

Miglani ji, we know that in LalKitab system of astrology, correction is

required to be applied even if one calculate the ascendant with the most

accurate means. Therefore these minor topics does not require much

attention, rather the basic goals of the LalKitab Groups is being set aside

due to these altercations.

Let us work on to the other issues related to the LalKitab which are still

to unsolved.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 10/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

>

> Dear Nirmal ji,

>

> I had been using the Lahiri tables for decades to work out the

> ascendant and the MC. I switched over to the software just a few

> years ago. Therefore I am very well familiar with it as also with ST.

>

> You know very well that one can not find a Lagna for 50 north

> latitude from the so called Lal Kitab Lagna sarini. He has to use

> some other tables of ascendant or a software to find a Lagna for any

> other place other than 82E0 and 26N0 for which the Lal Kitab lagna

> sarini is drawn for.

>

> I think it would be better that you stop defending some thing which

> is undefendable.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> KP Miglani

>

> lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, NKB

> <nirbhar wrote:

> >

> > Respected Miglani ji,

> > Thanks for correcting me. i was in the opinion that it was

> invented by

> > Lahiri from its Name.Generally the inventor remains anonymous to

> the world

> > as in this case.

> > Miglani ji, finding correction

> > coefficient is little bit tricky. You know the ascendent changes as

> > the sidereal time. ascendent is given in under

> > tables in the last pages for each latitude for 0

> > hours to 23 hours sidereal time. from here one can calculate the

> > differnece of ascendent between

> > lattitudes.SInce this type of tables are of less use now a days,

> but one

> > should be familiar with the working of these tables. i reccomend

> for general

> > users to start calculating difference through normal astrology

> programm by

> > changing the value of lattitude gradually from 0N0-0 to 60N0-0.

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> > On 10/10/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

> > >

> > > The lahiri Ayanansh that you have mentioned was not found out by

> > > shri NC Lahiri. It was worked out by a renowned Maharashtrian

> > > astrologer named Pt. Ketkar. This ayanansh is technically known

> as

> > > Ketaki Chitra paksheeya ayanansh, meaning the ayanash evolved by

> > > Pt.Ketkar which is based on the nakshtra star Chitra.

> > > NC Lahiri, was a member of the Rashtriya Panchang Samiti,

> created by

> > > Nehru ji to formulate our national panchang. Shri Lahiri

> suggested

> > > that the Ketkar ayanansh be accepted as the most accurate

> ayanansh.

> > > The commitee accepted the ayanansh as the official ayanansh to be

> > > used in Rashtriya Panchang. It was since then it came to be

> known as

> > > Lahiri ayanansha.

> > >

> > > As regards your mention of correction for Latitude given in

> Lahiri

> > > Table of Ascendants, do you know it requires to measure the

> distance

> > > in miles. That correction can be used only for places situated

> > > within a few miles on either side of the Latitude on which the

> > > readings from the Table of ascendants has been taken. For example

> > > you can find out the lagna at Mohali if you know the Lagna at

> > > Chandigarh by incorporating the corrections found from the table

> > > given by Lahiri.

> > >

> > > But suppose you have the Lagna at madras and you have to find the

> > > Lagna at Toronto, then in order to incorporate the difference you

> > > have to work out the distance in miles from Delhi to Toronto and

> > > then work out the diagonal of it. If you think it is easy and

> > > practical to do you are most welcome.

> > >

> > > I think using the available softwares would be the most

> acceptable

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > KP Miglani

> > >

> > > lalkitab

<lalkitab%40><lalkitab%40gr

> oups.com>, NKB

> > > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

> > > > It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails and is

> not

> > > the topic

> > > > of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in Ambala.

> > > > Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency in

> > > Astrology

> > > > too and does not require any book, but for members like me I

> > > > reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

> > > > other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

> > > > Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is

> being

> > > used

> > > > officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs are

> being

> > > > prepared on this ayaansha.

> > > > All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any

> place in

> > > > the world will surely be removed with the help of this book.

> > > > Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of seconds

> to

> > > calculate

> > > > the corrections with the help of 'Table of

> > > > Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris, published by

> > > > Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal

> > > corrections

> > > > For ease of the other

> > > > members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal

> corrections

> > > > based upon this book

> > > > and will upload

> > > > shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the variation

> > > will be

> > > > in minutes which does not make any difference as far as

> LalKitab is

> > > > concerned.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which

> needs to

> > > be

> > > > > answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab

> Lagna

> > > > > sarini.

> > > > >

> > > > > As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be

> corrected

> > > > > through the time difference, but how would one incorporate

> the

> > > > > Latitude difference?

> > > > >

> > > > > Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the Latitude

> > > > > correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar

> with the

> > > > > concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how to

> apply

> > > > > the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which the

> > > Sarini

> > > > > has been drawn.

> > > > >

> > > > > Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have been

> > > using

> > > > > the Lal Kitab Sarini.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > >

> > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%40><lalkitab%

> 40><lalkitab%

> > > 40>, " lalkitabee "

> > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > > > > > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit mail ko

> padh

> > > > > raha

> > > > > > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To main

> yah

> > > > > spasht

> > > > > > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee surya

> > > > > siddhant

> > > > > > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa

> jaataa

> > > hai.

> > > > > > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue Sayan

> > > Surya

> > > > > > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan

> lagan

> > > praapt

> > > > > > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha

> > > vagairah

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > janana

> > > > > > zaroori hota hai.

> > > > > > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > > > > > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa

> hai.

> > > goyaa

> > > > > > makar sankraanti hum 14

> > > > > >

> > > > > > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > > > > > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical

> Astrology) hee

> > > > > > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag hee

> breed

> > > hai

> > > > > jo

> > > > > > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > > > > > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni

> (Made In

> > > > > > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > > difference,

> > > > > > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > > > > > My answer is NO , never.

> > > > > > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude kee

> > > > > > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye insaan ke

> liye

> > > > > > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee

> buniyaad

> > > par

> > > > > > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad par

> > > banee

> > > > > > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> > > > > >

> > > > > > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur

> Longitude) ki

> > > > > > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > > > > > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo nahi

> ki ja

> > > > > > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin akshansh

> > > > > > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar

> saktey

> > > hain.

> > > > > > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani

> videsh

> > > main

> > > > > > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > > > > > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke motey

> taur

> > > par

> > > > > > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala gayaa to

> > > binaa

> > > > > > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan

> saaraniyaan

> > > bagal

> > > > > > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> > > > > >

> > > > > > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > > > > > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of

> Latitude

> > > > > > and Longitude in the calculation of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction)

> samay ke

> > > liye

> > > > > > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> > > > > >

> > > > > > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee gayee

> > > saarani

> > > > > kee

> > > > > > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah saarani

> bani

> > > > > huyee

> > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur America

> ka

> > > > > > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke

> > > latitude

> > > > > 28 N

> > > > > > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke

> aaspaas

> > > hain,

> > > > > > unke liye hamain saarani main

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to aap

> > > bataa

> > > > > dain

> > > > > > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> > > > > >

> > > > > > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho saktaa

> hai.

> > > > > > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke

> lagna

> > > > > > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > > > > > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > > > > > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant mein

> > > diya

> > > > > hai?

> > > > > > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > > > > > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat jahir

> > > hotee

> > > > > > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se vaaqif

> > > hain.

> > > > > > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki

> scale,

> > > > > > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65 degree ka

> > > angle

> > > > > > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil

> Eng.

> > > bhee

> > > > > > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar

> aap yah

> > > > > > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi to is

> > > muddey

> > > > > > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> > > > > >

> > > > > > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki

> knowledge ki

> > > > > > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji ke

> tevey

> > > bhee

> > > > > > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan

> nikaltey

> > > huye.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > > > > Mb.9812020001

> > > > > > nts <nts%40><nts%40>

<nts%

> 40>,

> > > NKB <nirbhar@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > > > > > I read your posting in other group that you put some

> mails in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > group and

> > > > > > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group

> has not

> > > > > > received any

> > > > > > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding moderation of

> > > mails,

> > > > > > yes all the

> > > > > > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the

> three

> > > main

> > > > > > groups of

> > > > > > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > > > > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship is

> bound

> > > to

> > > > > > happen when

> > > > > > > vested interests with personal odd relationships amongst

> few

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > start using these platforms to score out their grudge by

> > > posting

> > > > > > their words

> > > > > > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > > > > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the signs

> of

> > > Paapi

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves, what

> the

> > > hell

> > > > > we,

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be doing

> to

> > > sort

> > > > > > out the

> > > > > > > problems of others.

> > > > > > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources which

> can

> > > be

> > > > > used

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose thinking is

> > > more

> > > > > > advanced with

> > > > > > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the best

> way

> > > to

> > > > > > communicate

> > > > > > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep

> these

> > > > > > unscrupulous

> > > > > > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this

> > > censorship.

> > > > > > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other

> groups. I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > know why

> > > > > > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A astrologer

> who

> > > is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > versed

> > > > > > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be

> knowing

> > > that

> > > > > > what and how

> > > > > > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries

> old.

> > > One

> > > > > can

> > > > > > create

> > > > > > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is

> thousands

> > > years

> > > > > > old. Many

> > > > > > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/

> Krishan/

> > > Nanak

> > > > > > Ji without

> > > > > > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas when

> > > there are

> > > > > > no meaning

> > > > > > > of printing.

> > > > > > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons from

> our

> > > > > > community who

> > > > > > > use their calculation and presentation capability and

> > > present the

> > > > > > more easy

> > > > > > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares

> made,

> > > this

> > > > > is

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the

> software

> > > > > > engineers.

> > > > > > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to

> calculate

> > > for

> > > > > > foreign

> > > > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > > > > difference,

> > > > > > use of

> > > > > > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > > > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used Madras

> Lagan

> > > > > Sarini

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for

> calculation of

> > > > > > Ascendent for

> > > > > > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is wrong

> > > without

> > > > > > knowing

> > > > > > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for

> which

> > > > > country

> > > > > > and what

> > > > > > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya, A

> noted

> > > > > > internet vedic

> > > > > > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and even

> > > pointed

> > > > > > out that

> > > > > > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For general

> > > > > information

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers than

> by

> > > > > north)

> > > > > > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and

> > > calculate

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that very

> > > sarini.

> > > > > In

> > > > > > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember that

> when

> > > we

> > > > > > used to

> > > > > > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy Dr.

> Amar

> > > > > > Aggarwal , we

> > > > > > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even

> without

> > > the

> > > > > > help of

> > > > > > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > > > > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign birth

> > > native

> > > > > > from this

> > > > > > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of astronomy

> and

> > > Surya

> > > > > > Sidhant can

> > > > > > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part of

> the

> > > world

> > > > > > from any

> > > > > > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > > > > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji

> applied/not

> > > > > > applied the

> > > > > > > necessary correction for the city with respect to

> Longitude

> > > and

> > > > > > Latitude of

> > > > > > > the City.

> > > > > > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope other

> may

> > > > > through

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of

> calculating

> > > > > > ascendent. It

> > > > > > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many pther

> > > > > projects.

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Nirmal ji,

 

Thank you for accepting that a Lagna for a foreign birth can not be

worked out through any Sarini worked out on the coordinates of any

city in India. One has to use either the 'Table of Ascendants'

incorporating the ST, or else has to use one of the softwares

available.

 

The entire discussion on the Sarini started with the claim that the

Lagna for any foreign birth can be worked out from the Sarini used

by Pt. Rupchand ji.

 

It is clear now that a Lagna for some one born abroad can not be

worked from the Sarini under discussion.

 

Sincerely,

 

KP Miglani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lalkitab , NKB <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Dear Miglani Ji,

> I have heard too much of about this lagan Sarni and but able to

> get 10 pages only. These pages does not speak much of this lagan

Sarni. Even

> the page which gives the year of publication is not available in

these

> pages. I shall be obliged if anyone send the complete sarni to me.

In fact *I

> could not find the word*s " *LalKitab Lagan Sarn*i " in these

> pages. I feel this name is given to this sarni just now.

> Secondly Lot of lagan Sarnis always are calculated and printed

with a

> particular

> place. There is no uniform code of conduct for printing these

Sarnis.

> Therefore it is left only to publisher/printer. It is not mandatory

> for any publisher to give whole lot of data mere for a lagan sarni.

> Even

> in very famous panchangs which publish Lagan sarni for different

Cities

> today sometime left these minutes details assuming that astrologer

might be

> knowing these small factors.

> it is the first most lesson taught to an astrologer - how to

calculate an

> ascendant with different locations all over

> the world. I don't know why the experienced astrologers making hue

and cry mere

> that method is not given in the sarni

> . If an astrologer cannot workout the ascendant of a foriegn birth

> from a given lagan sarni then it is not the fault of lagan Sarni.

> it is shows the Nalayqi of that very astrologer who forgot the

first

> lesson of his profession.

> * It might be graceful for him to explain

> " Look I have added my experience in this Lagan Sarni. I am giving

> method of calculate ascendent of foriegn birth with this lagan

sarni "

> *

> Further more there are many other lagan sarni are available use

them. Nobody

> asked any astrologer that why he is using 'Table of Ascendant',

> 'Software' or any other mean. It is only upto the astrologer

convenience to

> use whatsoever he likes. .

> You are right to the extent that one cannot find a Lagna for 50

> north latitude from the not only with 'your called Lal Kitab Lagna

sarini'

> *b**ut also from any other lagan sarnis published in India*. He

has to

> use some other

> tables either be given in that lagan sarni or from 'Table of

ascendant' or a

> software or his own intelligence to find a Lagna for any

> other place. Regarding the place for which the Lal Kitab lagna

> sarini is drawn I cannot comment as i have not full sarni but

comment to the

> extent that words are written in that sarni Lagan Sarni (Madras

Time.) and

> conflicting view are received from fellow members regarding the

year and

> place for which the sarni is based.

> Miglani ji, we know that in LalKitab system of astrology,

correction is

> required to be applied even if one calculate the ascendant with

the most

> accurate means. Therefore these minor topics does not require much

> attention, rather the basic goals of the LalKitab Groups is being

set aside

> due to these altercations.

> Let us work on to the other issues related to the LalKitab which

are still

> to unsolved.

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> On 10/11/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nirmal ji,

> >

> > I had been using the Lahiri tables for decades to work out the

> > ascendant and the MC. I switched over to the software just a few

> > years ago. Therefore I am very well familiar with it as also

with ST.

> >

> > You know very well that one can not find a Lagna for 50 north

> > latitude from the so called Lal Kitab Lagna sarini. He has to use

> > some other tables of ascendant or a software to find a Lagna for

any

> > other place other than 82E0 and 26N0 for which the Lal Kitab

lagna

> > sarini is drawn for.

> >

> > I think it would be better that you stop defending some thing

which

> > is undefendable.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > KP Miglani

> >

> > lalkitab <lalkitab%40>, NKB

> > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Miglani ji,

> > > Thanks for correcting me. i was in the opinion that it was

> > invented by

> > > Lahiri from its Name.Generally the inventor remains anonymous

to

> > the world

> > > as in this case.

> > > Miglani ji, finding correction

> > > coefficient is little bit tricky. You know the ascendent

changes as

> > > the sidereal time. ascendent is given in under

> > > tables in the last pages for each latitude for 0

> > > hours to 23 hours sidereal time. from here one can calculate

the

> > > differnece of ascendent between

> > > lattitudes.SInce this type of tables are of less use now a

days,

> > but one

> > > should be familiar with the working of these tables. i

reccomend

> > for general

> > > users to start calculating difference through normal astrology

> > programm by

> > > changing the value of lattitude gradually from 0N0-0 to 60N0-0.

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > On 10/10/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nirmal Kumar ji,

> > > >

> > > > The lahiri Ayanansh that you have mentioned was not found

out by

> > > > shri NC Lahiri. It was worked out by a renowned Maharashtrian

> > > > astrologer named Pt. Ketkar. This ayanansh is technically

known

> > as

> > > > Ketaki Chitra paksheeya ayanansh, meaning the ayanash

evolved by

> > > > Pt.Ketkar which is based on the nakshtra star Chitra.

> > > > NC Lahiri, was a member of the Rashtriya Panchang Samiti,

> > created by

> > > > Nehru ji to formulate our national panchang. Shri Lahiri

> > suggested

> > > > that the Ketkar ayanansh be accepted as the most accurate

> > ayanansh.

> > > > The commitee accepted the ayanansh as the official ayanansh

to be

> > > > used in Rashtriya Panchang. It was since then it came to be

> > known as

> > > > Lahiri ayanansha.

> > > >

> > > > As regards your mention of correction for Latitude given in

> > Lahiri

> > > > Table of Ascendants, do you know it requires to measure the

> > distance

> > > > in miles. That correction can be used only for places

situated

> > > > within a few miles on either side of the Latitude on which

the

> > > > readings from the Table of ascendants has been taken. For

example

> > > > you can find out the lagna at Mohali if you know the Lagna at

> > > > Chandigarh by incorporating the corrections found from the

table

> > > > given by Lahiri.

> > > >

> > > > But suppose you have the Lagna at madras and you have to

find the

> > > > Lagna at Toronto, then in order to incorporate the

difference you

> > > > have to work out the distance in miles from Delhi to Toronto

and

> > > > then work out the diagonal of it. If you think it is easy and

> > > > practical to do you are most welcome.

> > > >

> > > > I think using the available softwares would be the most

> > acceptable

> > > > thing.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > KP Miglani

> > > >

> > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%

40><lalkitab%40gr

> > oups.com>, NKB

> > > > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shukla Ji & Miglani Ji,

> > > > > It is a bigger subject and cannot be discussed in mails

and is

> > not

> > > > the topic

> > > > > of LalKitab. We may discuss whenever I happens to be in

Ambala.

> > > > > Shukla Ji is great astronomer apart from his profficiency

in

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > too and does not require any book, but for members like me

I

> > > > > reccomend the book 'Table of Ascendent " written by non

> > > > > other than Mr. NC Lahiri, Ganitacharya & Ganita

> > > > > Kalanidhi, A noted astronomer, whose invented aayaansha is

> > being

> > > > used

> > > > > officially by Govt. Of India and almost all the panchangs

are

> > being

> > > > > prepared on this ayaansha.

> > > > > All the doubts regarding preparartion of Ascendent for any

> > place in

> > > > > the world will surely be removed with the help of this

book.

> > > > > Regarding Latitudinal corrections , it is a matter of

seconds

> > to

> > > > calculate

> > > > > the corrections with the help of 'Table of

> > > > > Ascendents'. As far as remember, yearly ephemeris,

published by

> > > > > Lahiri, also gives the method of calculation latitudinal

> > > > corrections

> > > > > For ease of the other

> > > > > members,I am preparing ready reckoner for latitudinal

> > corrections

> > > > > based upon this book

> > > > > and will upload

> > > > > shortly. This correction is near to accurate and the

variation

> > > > will be

> > > > > in minutes which does not make any difference as far as

> > LalKitab is

> > > > > concerned.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > On 10/8/07, kpmiglani <kpmiglani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pt Lalkitabee ji has raised a very crucial issue, which

> > needs to

> > > > be

> > > > > > answered by any one who is using the so called Lal Kitab

> > Lagna

> > > > > > sarini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As he has rightly pointed out that the Longitude can be

> > corrected

> > > > > > through the time difference, but how would one

incorporate

> > the

> > > > > > Latitude difference?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any one familiar with Jyotish ganit knows that the

Latitude

> > > > > > correction can not be carried out unless one is familiar

> > with the

> > > > > > concept of `Palabha' , how to calculate it, and then how

to

> > apply

> > > > > > the calculated `Palabha' result to the Latitude on which

the

> > > > Sarini

> > > > > > has been drawn.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Expecting an answer from those who claim that they have

been

> > > > using

> > > > > > the Lal Kitab Sarini.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > KP Miglani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lalkitab <lalkitab%

40><lalkitab%

> > 40><lalkitab%

> > > > 40>, " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Nirmal Bhardwaj JI

> > > > > > > Main aapki ek mail main lagan sarani se sambandhit

mail ko

> > padh

> > > > > > raha

> > > > > > > thaa. Aapne Surya siddhant ka jikra bhi kiya hai. To

main

> > yah

> > > > > > spasht

> > > > > > > karnaa chahoonga ki Lagn vagairah nikalne ke liye hee

surya

> > > > > > siddhant

> > > > > > > aur Grah Laghav jaise anmol granthon ka istemaal kiyaa

> > jaataa

> > > > hai.

> > > > > > > Palbhaa ke aadhaar par Velantar ka shodhan kartey hue

Sayan

> > > > Surya

> > > > > > > nikaaltey hue usmain se ayanansh ko ghataa kar Nirayan

> > lagan

> > > > praapt

> > > > > > > kee jaatee hai. Is main palabha,lankodayaman, ayanansha

> > > > vagairah

> > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > janana

> > > > > > > zaroori hota hai.

> > > > > > > Saayan Surya har saal 22 december ko Makar raashi par

> > > > > > > pahunchataa hai, lekin nirayan surya ko

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hum maantey hain ki 14 janvari ko makar main pahunchtaa

> > hai.

> > > > goyaa

> > > > > > > makar sankraanti hum 14

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > janvari ko maantey hain.

> > > > > > > saraniyaan Panchangkaar (Experts of Mathematical

> > Astrology) hee

> > > > > > > banaatey hain. Aur yah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > biraadari (Breed) hee jyotish ke ilaakey kee ek alag

hee

> > breed

> > > > hai

> > > > > > jo

> > > > > > > ki isi kaam ke liye expert hoti hai.

> > > > > > > Jaisaa ki aap ne kahaa hai ki :-Can these Lagna Sarni

> > (Made In

> > > > > > > India) be used to calculate for foreign

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of time

> > > > difference,

> > > > > > > use of Latitude and Longitude in

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the calculation of Ascendant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Nirmal ji my views are totally different with you.

> > > > > > > My answer is NO , never.

> > > > > > > Kyonki lagan saarani jis bhee Latitude aur Longitude

kee

> > > > > > > buniyaad par banee hoti hai ,vah vahaan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ya vahaan ke aaspaas ke ilaakey main paidaa huye

insaan ke

> > liye

> > > > > > > istemaal kee jaa sakti hai kisi aur

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jagah ke liye nahi. Maslan agar saarani Varanasi kee

> > buniyaad

> > > > par

> > > > > > > banee ho to Delhi ke liye istemaal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nahee kee jaa saktee .Aur isi tarah Delhi kee buniyaad

par

> > > > banee

> > > > > > > huyee saarani ko Amritsar main

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > paidashuda insaano ke liye istemaal nahi kiyaa ja

saktaa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kisi khaas akshaansh aur deshantar (Latitude aur

> > Longitude) ki

> > > > > > > buniyaad hone ke kaaran banee huyee

> > > > > > > koyee ek saarani kabhee poorey ek desh par bhi lagoo

nahi

> > ki ja

> > > > > > > sakti, videsh to bahut door ki baat

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > Time defference work out kiyaa ja saktaa hai.Lekin

akshansh

> > > > > > > (Latitude) ka antar nikaalanaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mushkil hai. Amooman panchaang banaaney waley hee kar

> > saktey

> > > > hain.

> > > > > > > Aam jyotishi nahi.Isiliye India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ke kisi bhee jagah kee buniyaad par bani huyee saarani

> > videsh

> > > > main

> > > > > > > paidaa hone waley insaan par

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lagoo nahi ho sakti.

> > > > > > > latitude ek ho to longitude ke antar ka fark karke

motey

> > taur

> > > > par

> > > > > > > (Sthool roop main) lagan nikaali ja

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sakti hai,lekin agar latitude South ya north chala

gayaa to

> > > > binaa

> > > > > > > kisi bhi hisaab (mathemaics) ke lagan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > nahi nikaali ja sakti. Chaahey ek nahi 100 lagan

> > saaraniyaan

> > > > bagal

> > > > > > > main rakh lee jaayain. This work

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can be only done by PANCHAANGKAARS.

> > > > > > > As u say :--good knowledge of time difference, use of

> > Latitude

> > > > > > > and Longitude in the calculation of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ascendant.

> > > > > > > Meraa jawaab hai ki Longitude ka shodhan (Correction)

> > samay ke

> > > > liye

> > > > > > > kiyaa jaataa hai. Agar hum

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > deshantar ka correction pandit ji ke dwara use kee

gayee

> > > > saarani

> > > > > > kee

> > > > > > > buniyaad par kar bhee lain ,to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > janm us latitude ka gin liyaa jayegaa jis par yah

saarani

> > bani

> > > > > > huyee

> > > > > > > hai.

> > > > > > > Maslan hum Delhi par banee huywee saarani lain aur

America

> > ka

> > > > > > > Longitude 85:00 West le lain to

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > janm ka Longitude to vahi hogaa lekin lagan to Delhi ke

> > > > latitude

> > > > > > 28 N

> > > > > > > 39 par hee nikalegi .Ab yahaan se US

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Canada, England aadi mulk jo ki 50 North latitude ke

> > aaspaas

> > > > hain,

> > > > > > > unke liye hamain saarani main

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kyaa correction karnaa hogaa, yah baat Nirmal Ji ya to

aap

> > > > bataa

> > > > > > dain

> > > > > > > ya fir koyee aur. Rahee baat use

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > karne ki to yah apnaa personal shauk ya vichar ho

saktaa

> > hai.

> > > > > > > Ap ne abhi claim kiya ki ap bina sarini ya ephemeris ke

> > lagna

> > > > > > > nikalana jante hain to kripaya batayen ki –

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lankodaya maan kya hai aur kaise nikala jata hai?

> > > > > > > Palabha kya hai aur kaise nikali jati hai?

> > > > > > > Ayanansh nikalne ka formula kya hai jo soorya siddhant

mein

> > > > diya

> > > > > > hai?

> > > > > > > Kya-kya steps hote hain lagna nikalne ke?

> > > > > > > Aapke claim ko agar hum sweekaar kar lain to yah baat

jahir

> > > > hotee

> > > > > > > hai ki aap Surya siddhant aur Varahmihir ke Ganit se

vaaqif

> > > > hain.

> > > > > > > Agar aisa hai to yakeenan aap yah bhi jaantey hongey ki

> > scale,

> > > > > > > compass aur pencil ka hee istemaal kartey huye 65

degree ka

> > > > angle

> > > > > > > kaise banayaa ja saktaa hai aur aap to Nirmal ji, Civil

> > Eng.

> > > > bhee

> > > > > > > hain mujhse adhik gyaan degree aur angles ka hogaa.Agar

> > aap yah

> > > > > > > banaa sakain to saarani ke

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > mudde par apni raay ko aage jaaree rakhain, agar nahi

to is

> > > > muddey

> > > > > > > par aapkaa kuchh bhi bolnaa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > munasib nahi hai.Kyonki inhi angles aur degree ki

> > knowledge ki

> > > > > > > buniyaad par hee Shree Ram ,Krishan aur Guru Nanak ji

ke

> > tevey

> > > > bhee

> > > > > > > hamaarey bujurgon ne tayyar kiye they bakaydaa lagan

> > nikaltey

> > > > huye.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aapka Shubhchintak

> > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > www.lalkitabee.com

> > > > > > > Mb.9812020001

> > > > > > > nts <nts%40><nts%

40> <nts%

> > 40>,

> > > > NKB <nirbhar@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Iqbal Ji,

> > > > > > > > I read your posting in other group that you put some

> > mails in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > group and

> > > > > > > > is rejected by moderators. As far as I remember group

> > has not

> > > > > > > received any

> > > > > > > > mail from you in this connection. Regarding

moderation of

> > > > mails,

> > > > > > > yes all the

> > > > > > > > mails are being moderated. I have not seen any of the

> > three

> > > > main

> > > > > > > groups of

> > > > > > > > Lalkitab in which mails are not being moderated. I

> > > > > > > > term it as a good practice. This type of censorship

is

> > bound

> > > > to

> > > > > > > happen when

> > > > > > > > vested interests with personal odd relationships

amongst

> > few

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > start using these platforms to score out their

grudge by

> > > > posting

> > > > > > > their words

> > > > > > > > against each other (Zahira or Poshida).

> > > > > > > > Dear Iqbal Ji, 'Keenha, Lust,jalan, rashk' are the

signs

> > of

> > > > Paapi

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > If we cannot remove these effects from ourselves,

what

> > the

> > > > hell

> > > > > > we,

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > called Lalkitab Premees/devotees/students, will be

doing

> > to

> > > > sort

> > > > > > > out the

> > > > > > > > problems of others.

> > > > > > > > E-groups platforms are modern available resources

which

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > create a new generation of astrologers, whose

thinking is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > advanced with

> > > > > > > > respect to present and coming scenarios. It is the

best

> > way

> > > > to

> > > > > > > communicate

> > > > > > > > globally. This sort of Censorship is required to keep

> > these

> > > > > > > unscrupulous

> > > > > > > > persons at bay. I request the members to bear this

> > > > censorship.

> > > > > > > > I read the mails of Regarding Lagan Sarni in other

> > groups. I

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > know why

> > > > > > > > this hue and cry is being made about this. A

astrologer

> > who

> > > > is

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > versed

> > > > > > > > with the principals of astronomy will certainly be

> > knowing

> > > > that

> > > > > > > what and how

> > > > > > > > to use these lagan Sarnis even if these are centuries

> > old.

> > > > One

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > create

> > > > > > > > the kundli of today even with the lagan Sarni is

> > thousands

> > > > years

> > > > > > > old. Many

> > > > > > > > Astrologers have created the kundlis of Lord Rama/

> > Krishan/

> > > > Nanak

> > > > > > > Ji without

> > > > > > > > using these sarnis. How our ancestors create Tevas

when

> > > > there are

> > > > > > > no meaning

> > > > > > > > of printing.

> > > > > > > > Who created these sarnis? These are the the persons

from

> > our

> > > > > > > community who

> > > > > > > > use their calculation and presentation capability and

> > > > present the

> > > > > > > more easy

> > > > > > > > shortcuts for astrologers. How the Computer softwares

> > made,

> > > > this

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > of these inteligent brains who give guidance to the

> > software

> > > > > > > engineers.

> > > > > > > > Can these Lagna Sarni (Made In India) be used to

> > calculate

> > > > for

> > > > > > > foreign

> > > > > > > > Birth.?

> > > > > > > > Answer is yes, provided you have good knowledge of

time

> > > > > > difference,

> > > > > > > use of

> > > > > > > > Latitude and Longitude in the calculation of

Ascendant.

> > > > > > > > Respected Bhatia Ji told us that Pandit Ji used

Madras

> > Lagan

> > > > > > Sarini

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Foreign Birth. He himself used this Sarini for

> > calculation of

> > > > > > > Ascendent for

> > > > > > > > foreign birth. How one can say that this method is

wrong

> > > > without

> > > > > > > knowing

> > > > > > > > that How Pandit Ji/Bhatia Ji used this sarini and for

> > which

> > > > > > country

> > > > > > > and what

> > > > > > > > sort of correction is applied. Pandit Bhushan Priya,

A

> > noted

> > > > > > > internet vedic

> > > > > > > > and Lalkitab Astrologer explained this in detail and

even

> > > > pointed

> > > > > > > out that

> > > > > > > > this sarini was made of different Ayaansha (For

general

> > > > > > information

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > different Ayaansha is followed in south astrologers

than

> > by

> > > > > > north)

> > > > > > > > Do we think that he cannot do reverse engineering and

> > > > calculate

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Ascendent of today or even 100 years back with that

very

> > > > sarini.

> > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > astrology, this is a beginners' lesson. I remember

that

> > when

> > > > we

> > > > > > > used to

> > > > > > > > study in the institute under the guidance of Worthy

Dr.

> > Amar

> > > > > > > Aggarwal , we

> > > > > > > > were taught to do the calculation of ascendant even

> > without

> > > > the

> > > > > > > help of

> > > > > > > > Panchangs/lagan Sarni/Ephemeris.

> > > > > > > > Do we think he cannot make the kundli of a foreign

birth

> > > > native

> > > > > > > from this

> > > > > > > > very sarini? Anybody who knows the basics of

astronomy

> > and

> > > > Surya

> > > > > > > Sidhant can

> > > > > > > > calculate the ascendant of any native from any part

of

> > the

> > > > world

> > > > > > > from any

> > > > > > > > lagan Sarni of any given place of a particular Time.

> > > > > > > > Do these critics know that Pandit ji or Bhatia Ji

> > applied/not

> > > > > > > applied the

> > > > > > > > necessary correction for the city with respect to

> > Longitude

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Latitude of

> > > > > > > > the City.

> > > > > > > > This is matter of of detailed discussion, I hope

other

> > may

> > > > > > through

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > light on it. I will try to put detailed method of

> > calculating

> > > > > > > ascendent. It

> > > > > > > > may take time as presently i am very busy with many

pther

> > > > > > projects.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >