Guest guest Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Respected forum members I would have expressed my views much earlier on this topic but I purposely prefer to stay away. Some of my friends constantly questioned my silence on this issue, some of them even wrote to me and asked me to clarify my stand. So my answer/explaination is especially for them. (1). The motive of a new pseudo intelligencia behind this ongoing dispute is obviously malefied; even a fool can sense the stinking smell of personal vendetta in it. I always treated Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji as a friend, philosopher and guide as far as Lal Kitab is concerned, so I refuse to be a part of the one point agenda of " Bhatia bashing " . .. (2). For me, whatever is said/written by Pundit ji was/is/ and will always remain as " the final edict " and no individual or condition can force me to alter my stance. (3). For me, Lal Kitab is not just another book of astrology, it is a Zinda Granth, therefore I refuse to become a part of any so-called academic postmortem destined for proving this document (Lagan Sarnee) and Pt. Rup Chand Joshi incorrect. (4). The same lobby that unsuccesfully tried in the past to prove that the revered Lal Kitab syatem is not Pt. Rup Chand joshi ji's creation has once again become active and is vigorously working to accomplish their sinister desires, and Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji is figting this battle single handedly. If people know Pt. Rup Chand Joshi as originator of the Lal Kitab system today, it is only due to Shri Rajinder Bhatia, and the whole Lal Kitab community shall always remain indebted to him. Under such circumstances, if I cannot stand behind such devotee, atleat I can refuse to be a part of any futile debate meant for maligning his image. (5). As far as the importance and relevance of Lagan Sarnee is concerned, for those who have the better means are free to ignore it, who is stopping them? No one can compel anyone to use a particular tool. If people think that Shri Rajinder Bhatia is adopting an adamant attitude, what name should be given to their own " main na manoo " attitude? Dear friends, standing firm on his/her stand cannot be treated as a crime and I congratulate Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji for his solid standpoint. I can only request to those who claimed to be the Bhagats of revered Lal Kitab not to forget the primary dictum " ilm aur aalim ki badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " Respectfully Yograj Prabhakar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Respected Yograj ji, The discussion on the Sarini is in no way related to or associated with any individual. No names have been mentioned. Therefore your contention that it is " Bhatia ji bashing " is not correct. All we want to know is how the lagna of some one born at 85W0 longitude and 52N0 latitude can be worked out from the Sarini. There has been no answer to that. As for our repspect for Pt. Rupchand ji is concerned, all of us have great regards for him as an astrologer, a thinker and a saintly human being But having regards and respect is one thing, and analysing or discussing what he has said, or reported to have said, is another. An academic discusion should not be taken as a mark of disrespect. With regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Respected forum members > > I would have expressed my views much earlier on this topic but I > purposely prefer to stay away. Some of my friends constantly > questioned my silence on this issue, some of them even wrote to me and > asked me to clarify my stand. So my answer/explaination is especially > for them. > > (1). The motive of a new pseudo intelligencia behind this ongoing > dispute is obviously malefied; even a fool can sense the stinking > smell of personal vendetta in it. I always treated Shri Rajinder > Bhatia ji as a friend, philosopher and guide as far as Lal Kitab is > concerned, so I refuse to be a part of the one point agenda of " Bhatia > bashing " . > . > (2). For me, whatever is said/written by Pundit ji was/is/ and will > always remain as " the final edict " and no individual or condition can > force me to alter my stance. > > (3). For me, Lal Kitab is not just another book of astrology, it is a > Zinda Granth, therefore I refuse to become a part of any so-called > academic postmortem destined for proving this document (Lagan Sarnee) > and Pt. Rup Chand Joshi incorrect. > > (4). The same lobby that unsuccesfully tried in the past to prove that > the revered Lal Kitab syatem is not Pt. Rup Chand joshi ji's creation > has once again become active and is vigorously working to accomplish > their sinister desires, and Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji is figting this > battle single handedly. If people know Pt. Rup Chand Joshi as > originator of the Lal Kitab system today, it is only due to Shri > Rajinder Bhatia, and the whole Lal Kitab community shall always remain > indebted to him. Under such circumstances, if I cannot stand behind > such devotee, atleat I can refuse to be a part of any futile debate > meant for maligning his image. > > (5). As far as the importance and relevance of Lagan Sarnee is > concerned, for those who have the better means are free to ignore it, > who is stopping them? No one can compel anyone to use a particular > tool. If people think that Shri Rajinder Bhatia is adopting an adamant > attitude, what name should be given to their own " main na manoo " > attitude? Dear friends, standing firm on his/her stand cannot be > treated as a crime and I congratulate Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji for his > solid standpoint. > > I can only request to those who claimed to be the Bhagats of revered > Lal Kitab not to forget the primary dictum " ilm aur aalim ki > badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " > > > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Respected Varun ji, The controversy seems to be over now. Respected Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj ji in a message in another group has accepted that the Lagna for some one born abroad can not be found out through the Sarini under discussion. One will have to use either the NC Lahiri's Table of Ascendants or one of the available softwares to find the Lagna. It might be true that Pt. Rupchand ji used this Sarini to find out the Lagna for those born abroad, but there is no comparision between us and Pt. Rupchand ji. He was a siddha purush. He probably didn't need a Sarini or a software to know the Lagna of a native.Pt. Rupchand ji could draw the entire kundali by just looking at a photograph of a person; can any one of us do that? The relevance of the Sarini was being discussed in the context of us mortals and not in relation to a visionary siddha like Pt. Rupchand ji. For ordinary men like us this Sarini will be of no use for any birth abroad or for that matter birth in any city away from Allahabad- Varanasi region. With respect, KP Miglani , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Yograj ji, > > The discussion on the Sarini is in no way related to or associated > with any individual. No names have been mentioned. Therefore your > contention that it is " Bhatia ji bashing " is not correct. > > All we want to know is how the lagna of some one born at 85W0 > longitude and 52N0 latitude can be worked out from the Sarini. There > has been no answer to that. > > As for our repspect for Pt. Rupchand ji is concerned, all of us have > great regards for him as an astrologer, a thinker and a saintly > human being > > But having regards and respect is one thing, and analysing or > discussing what he has said, or reported to have said, is another. > An academic discusion should not be taken as a mark of disrespect. > > With regards and respect, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " Yograj Prabhakar " > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > Respected forum members > > > > I would have expressed my views much earlier on this topic but I > > purposely prefer to stay away. Some of my friends constantly > > questioned my silence on this issue, some of them even wrote to me > and > > asked me to clarify my stand. So my answer/explaination is > especially > > for them. > > > > (1). The motive of a new pseudo intelligencia behind this ongoing > > dispute is obviously malefied; even a fool can sense the stinking > > smell of personal vendetta in it. I always treated Shri Rajinder > > Bhatia ji as a friend, philosopher and guide as far as Lal Kitab is > > concerned, so I refuse to be a part of the one point agenda > of " Bhatia > > bashing " . > > . > > (2). For me, whatever is said/written by Pundit ji was/is/ and > will > > always remain as " the final edict " and no individual or condition > can > > force me to alter my stance. > > > > (3). For me, Lal Kitab is not just another book of astrology, it > is a > > Zinda Granth, therefore I refuse to become a part of any so-called > > academic postmortem destined for proving this document (Lagan > Sarnee) > > and Pt. Rup Chand Joshi incorrect. > > > > (4). The same lobby that unsuccesfully tried in the past to prove > that > > the revered Lal Kitab syatem is not Pt. Rup Chand joshi ji's > creation > > has once again become active and is vigorously working to > accomplish > > their sinister desires, and Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji is figting this > > battle single handedly. If people know Pt. Rup Chand Joshi as > > originator of the Lal Kitab system today, it is only due to Shri > > Rajinder Bhatia, and the whole Lal Kitab community shall always > remain > > indebted to him. Under such circumstances, if I cannot stand behind > > such devotee, atleat I can refuse to be a part of any futile debate > > meant for maligning his image. > > > > (5). As far as the importance and relevance of Lagan Sarnee is > > concerned, for those who have the better means are free to ignore > it, > > who is stopping them? No one can compel anyone to use a particular > > tool. If people think that Shri Rajinder Bhatia is adopting an > adamant > > attitude, what name should be given to their own " main na manoo " > > attitude? Dear friends, standing firm on his/her stand cannot be > > treated as a crime and I congratulate Shri Rajinder Bhatia ji for > his > > solid standpoint. > > > > I can only request to those who claimed to be the Bhagats of > revered > > Lal Kitab not to forget the primary dictum " ilm aur aalim ki > > badkhoyee se parhez chahiye. " > > > > > > > > Respectfully > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 'lagan sarnee madras time jo aaj kal hindustaan men chal raha hai-ke mutabik bani hui hai-is liye jin gair- mulak ke mukamaat hindustan se bataraf paschim dikhlaye gaye hain-wahan ki paidayish ke wakt men agar tafaut(that is how i could read the word) ka wakt jama karen to jawab ka hindsa hindustan men paidayesh hone ka wakt samjha jayega-isi tarah hindustan se bataraf poorab ke mukamaat ki paidayesh ke wakt se agar tafaut wakt ka hindsa tafreek kar den to jawab ka hindsa hindustan men paidayish hone ka wakt gina jaayega. guzishta saalon men green witch se time madras ko diya jaata tha-aaj kal poona ko wahan se wakt jaata hai-wahi madras wala time standard time kahlaata hai.'THIS IS HOW FIRST PAGE OF THE BOOKLET READS.rest r the tables and i hope to post these pages soon .I am not very apt at computers;so the delay . Miglani ji, LK is a complete system in itself;to understand it one has to be of the level of Roop Lal Ji. In fact, It is not meant for vedic astrologers. How can one mix one system with the other when so far v have not been able to understand even the grammer part of lk fully. Vedic astrology is so comprehensive and complete in itself; why do vedic astrologers hanker after it.LK is meant for laymen who after getting their horoscope prepared,can do the needful themselves.Before knowing Lk;one has to know respected pundit ji;only then one may understand lk system. sincerely, kiranjeet Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, That is simply great. We are all looking forward to the lagna sarini to be uploaded by you. It will be a great service to resurrect a document which was almost lost because only a few people had it. The word which you seem to have read as " TAFAUT " looks to me as " tafawat " [ te + fe+alif + vow + te] ' tafawat ka waqt' which could mean time of birth, 'tafawat' could mean delivery, not sure though. With great regards, Varun Trivedi , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > 'lagan sarnee madras time jo aaj kal hindustaan men chal raha hai- ke mutabik bani hui hai-is liye jin gair- mulak ke mukamaat hindustan se bataraf paschim dikhlaye gaye hain-wahan ki paidayish ke wakt men agar tafaut(that is how i could read the word) ka wakt jama karen to jawab ka hindsa hindustan men paidayesh hone ka wakt samjha jayega-isi tarah hindustan se bataraf poorab ke mukamaat ki paidayesh ke wakt se agar tafaut wakt ka hindsa tafreek kar den to jawab ka hindsa hindustan men paidayish hone ka wakt gina jaayega. > guzishta saalon men green witch se time madras ko diya jaata tha- aaj kal poona ko wahan se wakt jaata hai-wahi madras wala time standard time kahlaata hai.'THIS IS HOW FIRST PAGE OF THE BOOKLET READS.rest r the tables and i hope to post these pages soon .I am not very apt at computers;so the delay . > Miglani ji, LK is a complete system in itself;to understand it one has to be of the level of Roop Lal Ji. In fact, It is not meant for vedic astrologers. How can one mix one system with the other when so far v have not been able to understand even the grammer part of lk fully. Vedic astrology is so comprehensive and complete in itself; why do vedic astrologers hanker after it.LK is meant for laymen who after getting their horoscope prepared,can do the needful themselves.Before knowing Lk;one has to know respected pundit ji;only then one may understand lk system. > sincerely, > kiranjeet > > > > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Learned Members, This wrod is tafawat which mean is DIFFERENCE, in Urdu we can say FERQ. Regardsvarun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji,That is simply great. We are all looking forward to the lagna sarini to be uploaded by you. It will be a great service to resurrect a document which was almost lost because only a few people had it.The word which you seem to have read as " TAFAUT" looks to me as "tafawat" [ te + fe+alif + vow + te] ' tafawat ka waqt' which could mean time of birth, 'tafawat' could mean delivery, not sure though.With great regards,Varun Trivedi , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote:>> 'lagan sarnee madras time jo aaj kal hindustaan men chal raha hai-ke mutabik bani hui hai-is liye jin gair- mulak ke mukamaat hindustan se bataraf paschim dikhlaye gaye hain-wahan ki paidayish ke wakt men agar tafaut(that is how i could read the word) ka wakt jama karen to jawab ka hindsa hindustan men paidayesh hone ka wakt samjha jayega-isi tarah hindustan se bataraf poorab ke mukamaat ki paidayesh ke wakt se agar tafaut wakt ka hindsa tafreek kar den to jawab ka hindsa hindustan men paidayish hone ka wakt gina jaayega.> guzishta saalon men green witch se time madras ko diya jaata tha-aaj kal poona ko wahan se wakt jaata hai-wahi madras wala time standard time kahlaata hai.'THIS IS HOW FIRST PAGE OF THE BOOKLET READS.rest r the tables and i hope to post these pages soon .I am not very apt at computers;so the delay .> Miglani ji, LK is a complete system in itself;to understand it one has to be of the level of Roop Lal Ji. In fact, It is not meant for vedic astrologers. How can one mix one system with the other when so far v have not been able to understand even the grammer part of lk fully. Vedic astrology is so comprehensive and complete in itself; why do vedic astrologers hanker after it.LK is meant for laymen who after getting their horoscope prepared,can do the needful themselves.Before knowing Lk;one has to know respected pundit ji;only then one may understand lk system.> sincerely,> kiranjeet> > > > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!> Catch up on fall's hot new shows on TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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