Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Respected Tyagi Ji, 12 house is jointly occupied by both Jupiter and Rahu. If both are in same house i.e 12house, how this position would be evaluated? Do we need to consider masnuyee concept and treat the person by giving the remedies for mercury in 12 house or something else need to be done? Please be kind enough to throw some light on it. Warm Regards Naveen Aggarwal PS--In vedic astrology, this combination is called as Guru Chandal yog. In this Yog, person cannot think clearly and his decicions are faulty. Consequently he is not able to lead a fulfilled life. Quite possible, I am mixing Vedic astrology with LK concept so apology in anticipation. --- cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Respected Aggarwal saheb, > > Sure, you should post your query under a new heading > of masnuyee > planets. > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > , naveen > aggarwal > <mail2aggarwal wrote: > > > > Respected VarunJi, > > > > I have a query however it is not related to 8th > house. > > The reason why I am using the same subject line > is; > > the masnuyee aspect used in the earlier mail will > be > > applicable on my question i.e. Jupiter + Rahu form > a > > Mercury. > > > > If you permit, may I float my question with this > title > > across you else I can use other title as well? > > > > Warm Regards > > Naveen Aggarwal > > > > --------- > > > > > > --- varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > > Respected Sanya ji, > > > > > > The planets in this combination should be > studied at > > > two levels; > > > first in their individual capacity, and > secondly in > > > terms of > > > masnuyee resultant. > > > > > > > > > The combination of these three planets is > invariably > > > malefic in > > > nature. Jupiter is more like a thief , Rahu like > one > > > who betrays, > > > and Saturn a poisonous snake; consequently all > the > > > three planets > > > become malefic in their nature. This combination > > > becomes all the > > > more malefic if there is a cemetery or veeran > sthan > > > on the south of > > > the house the jatak lives in. > > > > > > Considering the masnuyee aspect, Jupiter + Rahu > form > > > a Mercury. > > > Hence the combination becomes Saturn + mercury. > > > > > > This again is a very bad combination for the 8th > > > house. The behavior > > > of Saturn in the 8th is said to depend on how > the > > > Mercury is placed > > > in the kundali. Mercury in the 8th is very > malefic, > > > unless in the > > > company of male planets. Mercury in the 8th has > been > > > described as > > > beemari ; zahmat aur laanat; chhupi tabahi ka > phanda > > > ; maali hani > > > karnewala ; kodhi etc. Since such a malefic > mercury > > > is already in > > > association of the Saturn, the results will be > > > malefic. > > > > > > Therefore analyzing the combination on both the > > > counts, the result > > > comes to the same and that is malefic. > > > > > > ps : next time you post a query, address it > > > respectfully. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > sanya > > > mehra > > > <sanyamehra_80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > Its very interesting wht you mentioned for > > > saturn rahu > > > combination as I have seen this combination in > one > > > of my relatives > > > chart and its very true what you said. He > literally > > > went through > > > hell like time during those years. > > > > > > > > What about people who have jupiter rahu > saturn > > > in 8th? > > > > or may be some other planet combined with > saturn > > > and rahu in 8th. > > > > Would the effect remain the same? > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > Sanya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Inderjeet ji, > > > > > > > > A very tricky question. > > > > > > > > bhag umra {36-39} tak apni manda, > ichhadhari > > > phir hota ho > > > > > > > > Till the age of 36 -39 it will be generally > > > manda and then will > > > bloom into good times > > > > > > > > And now comes the intriguing part > > > > > > > > Saturn and Rahu in the 8th is an interesting > > > proposition. There > > > are two > > > > > > > > contradictory statements in the Book about > this > > > combination. > > > > > > > > [ a ] ghar panch ta aathve baitha raja > shahon ka > > > banata ho [ > > > page 897 urdu > > > > > > > > ed 52] > > > > > > > > If this combination occurs from the 5th > house to > > > the 8th house, > > > he will have > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > prosperity and fame. > > > > > > > > Later in the kana vaar description : > > > > > > > > [ b ] maut fanda ghar athve hota, nag > zamana > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on TV. http://tv./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Respected Aggarwal ji The concept of masnuyee is not to prapare combinatios only ,it depends upon the two parts of each planet.Yes u r right that Guru+Rahu = Masnuyee Budh.But it doesnt mean that anyone has a sticky rule to suggest steel ring at once.We have to analyze budh 1st of all (DONO KE CHALNE FIRNE KA AKAASH BUDH BAN GAYAA--- LALKITAB).If budh is not malefic then no need of upaya otherwise we have to provide remedy for anyone between Guru + Rahu.(khana no 12 main Jo bhi hissa budh ki banispat kharaab saabit ho rahaa ho uska upay kiyaa jayega aur jis jagah budh kharaab baitha ho vahaan bhi brihaspat +rahu ke hissey ko analyze kiya jayegaa ya fir pooraa budhh hee kabile ilaaz hogaa, lekin khana 12 main guru rahu ko dekh kar seedhey hee budh 12 ka upay nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.Maslan agar budh kharaab jagah hoga to guru rahu 12 wale ke ghar main bujurgon main se kisi ko saans,damaa ya asthama ki taqleef ho sakti hai aise main agar budh 8 ya 3 main hua to budh ka apnaa upay saath hee guru ya rahu ya dono se sambandhit upaay jaroori ho jaata hai, lekin upay karwaatey huye grah ke mool roop ko darkinaar nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.Amooman agar budh kharaab na ho to guru rahu bhi khanaa 12 main mandey nahi hotey ,masnuyee hisse main se kaun sa jyaada kharaab hai aur kaun sa hissa doosre ko kharaab kar saktaa hai iski mukammal jaanch hee masnuyee concept main important hai.Ya fir do se jyadaa grahon ke hone par padtaal karne ke liye masnuyee ka concept as predection part bhi upyogi hai. With Regards Pt.Lalkitabee , naveen aggarwal <mail2aggarwal wrote: > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > 12 house is jointly occupied by both Jupiter and Rahu. > If both are in same house i.e 12house, how this > position would be evaluated? > > Do we need to consider masnuyee concept and treat the > person by giving the remedies for mercury in 12 house > or something else need to be done? > > Please be kind enough to throw some light on it. > > Warm Regards > Naveen Aggarwal > > PS--In vedic astrology, this combination is called as > Guru Chandal yog. In this Yog, person cannot think > clearly and his decicions are faulty. Consequently he > is not able to lead a fulfilled life. Quite possible, > I am mixing Vedic astrology with LK concept so apology > in anticipation. > > --- cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > > > > Respected Aggarwal saheb, > > > > Sure, you should post your query under a new heading > > of masnuyee > > planets. > > > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , naveen > > aggarwal > > <mail2aggarwal@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected VarunJi, > > > > > > I have a query however it is not related to 8th > > house. > > > The reason why I am using the same subject line > > is; > > > the masnuyee aspect used in the earlier mail will > > be > > > applicable on my question i.e. Jupiter + Rahu form > > a > > > Mercury. > > > > > > If you permit, may I float my question with this > > title > > > across you else I can use other title as well? > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > Naveen Aggarwal > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > --- varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Sanya ji, > > > > > > > > The planets in this combination should be > > studied at > > > > two levels; > > > > first in their individual capacity, and > > secondly in > > > > terms of > > > > masnuyee resultant. > > > > > > > > > > > > The combination of these three planets is > > invariably > > > > malefic in > > > > nature. Jupiter is more like a thief , Rahu like > > one > > > > who betrays, > > > > and Saturn a poisonous snake; consequently all > > the > > > > three planets > > > > become malefic in their nature. This combination > > > > becomes all the > > > > more malefic if there is a cemetery or veeran > > sthan > > > > on the south of > > > > the house the jatak lives in. > > > > > > > > Considering the masnuyee aspect, Jupiter + Rahu > > form > > > > a Mercury. > > > > Hence the combination becomes Saturn + mercury. > > > > > > > > This again is a very bad combination for the 8th > > > > house. The behavior > > > > of Saturn in the 8th is said to depend on how > > the > > > > Mercury is placed > > > > in the kundali. Mercury in the 8th is very > > malefic, > > > > unless in the > > > > company of male planets. Mercury in the 8th has > > been > > > > described as > > > > beemari ; zahmat aur laanat; chhupi tabahi ka > > phanda > > > > ; maali hani > > > > karnewala ; kodhi etc. Since such a malefic > > mercury > > > > is already in > > > > association of the Saturn, the results will be > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > Therefore analyzing the combination on both the > > > > counts, the result > > > > comes to the same and that is malefic. > > > > > > > > ps : next time you post a query, address it > > > > respectfully. > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > sanya > > > > mehra > > > > <sanyamehra_80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > Its very interesting wht you mentioned for > > > > saturn rahu > > > > combination as I have seen this combination in > > one > > > > of my relatives > > > > chart and its very true what you said. He > > literally > > > > went through > > > > hell like time during those years. > > > > > > > > > > What about people who have jupiter rahu > > saturn > > > > in 8th? > > > > > or may be some other planet combined with > > saturn > > > > and rahu in 8th. > > > > > Would the effect remain the same? > > > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > > Sanya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Inderjeet ji, > > > > > > > > > > A very tricky question. > > > > > > > > > > bhag umra {36-39} tak apni manda, > > ichhadhari > > > > phir hota ho > > > > > > > > > > Till the age of 36 -39 it will be generally > > > > manda and then will > > > > bloom into good times > > > > > > > > > > And now comes the intriguing part > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Rahu in the 8th is an interesting > > > > proposition. There > > > > are two > > > > > > > > > > contradictory statements in the Book about > > this > > > > combination. > > > > > > > > > > [ a ] ghar panch ta aathve baitha raja > > shahon ka > > > > banata ho [ > > > > page 897 urdu > > > > > > > > > > ed 52] > > > > > > > > > > If this combination occurs from the 5th > > house to > > > > the 8th house, > > > > he will have > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > prosperity and fame. > > > > > > > > > > Later in the kana vaar description : > > > > > > > > > > [ b ] maut fanda ghar athve hota, nag > > zamana > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ___________________ _______________Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on TV. > http://tv./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Lalkitabee ji, Excellent, accept my heartiest congratulations. regards Umesh Sharma , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Respected Aggarwal ji > The concept of masnuyee is not to prapare combinatios only ,it > depends upon the two parts of each planet.Yes u r right that > Guru+Rahu = Masnuyee Budh.But it doesnt mean that anyone has a > sticky rule to suggest steel ring at once.We have to analyze budh > 1st of all (DONO KE CHALNE FIRNE KA AKAASH BUDH BAN GAYAA--- > LALKITAB).If budh is not malefic then no need of upaya otherwise we > have to provide remedy for anyone between Guru + Rahu.(khana no 12 > main Jo bhi hissa budh ki banispat kharaab saabit ho rahaa ho uska > upay kiyaa jayega aur jis jagah budh kharaab baitha ho vahaan bhi > brihaspat +rahu ke hissey ko analyze kiya jayegaa ya fir pooraa > budhh hee kabile ilaaz hogaa, lekin khana 12 main guru rahu ko dekh > kar seedhey hee budh 12 ka upay nahi kiyaa ja saktaa.Maslan agar > budh kharaab jagah hoga to guru rahu 12 wale ke ghar main bujurgon > main se kisi ko saans,damaa ya asthama ki taqleef ho sakti hai aise > main agar budh 8 ya 3 main hua to budh ka apnaa upay saath hee guru > ya rahu ya dono se sambandhit upaay jaroori ho jaata hai, lekin upay > karwaatey huye grah ke mool roop ko darkinaar nahi kiyaa ja > saktaa.Amooman agar budh kharaab na ho to guru rahu bhi khanaa 12 > main mandey nahi hotey ,masnuyee hisse main se kaun sa jyaada > kharaab hai aur kaun sa hissa doosre ko kharaab kar saktaa hai iski > mukammal jaanch hee masnuyee concept main important hai.Ya fir do se > jyadaa grahon ke hone par padtaal karne ke liye masnuyee ka concept > as predection part bhi upyogi hai. > With Regards > Pt.Lalkitabee > , naveen aggarwal > <mail2aggarwal@> wrote: > > > > Respected Tyagi Ji, > > > > 12 house is jointly occupied by both Jupiter and Rahu. > > If both are in same house i.e 12house, how this > > position would be evaluated? > > > > Do we need to consider masnuyee concept and treat the > > person by giving the remedies for mercury in 12 house > > or something else need to be done? > > > > Please be kind enough to throw some light on it. > > > > Warm Regards > > Naveen Aggarwal > > > > PS--In vedic astrology, this combination is called as > > Guru Chandal yog. In this Yog, person cannot think > > clearly and his decicions are faulty. Consequently he > > is not able to lead a fulfilled life. Quite possible, > > I am mixing Vedic astrology with LK concept so apology > > in anticipation. > > > > --- cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Aggarwal saheb, > > > > > > Sure, you should post your query under a new heading > > > of masnuyee > > > planets. > > > > > > lets see what meal we make out of it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , naveen > > > aggarwal > > > <mail2aggarwal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected VarunJi, > > > > > > > > I have a query however it is not related to 8th > > > house. > > > > The reason why I am using the same subject line > > > is; > > > > the masnuyee aspect used in the earlier mail will > > > be > > > > applicable on my question i.e. Jupiter + Rahu form > > > a > > > > Mercury. > > > > > > > > If you permit, may I float my question with this > > > title > > > > across you else I can use other title as well? > > > > > > > > Warm Regards > > > > Naveen Aggarwal > > > > > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Sanya ji, > > > > > > > > > > The planets in this combination should be > > > studied at > > > > > two levels; > > > > > first in their individual capacity, and > > > secondly in > > > > > terms of > > > > > masnuyee resultant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The combination of these three planets is > > > invariably > > > > > malefic in > > > > > nature. Jupiter is more like a thief , Rahu like > > > one > > > > > who betrays, > > > > > and Saturn a poisonous snake; consequently all > > > the > > > > > three planets > > > > > become malefic in their nature. This combination > > > > > becomes all the > > > > > more malefic if there is a cemetery or veeran > > > sthan > > > > > on the south of > > > > > the house the jatak lives in. > > > > > > > > > > Considering the masnuyee aspect, Jupiter + Rahu > > > form > > > > > a Mercury. > > > > > Hence the combination becomes Saturn + mercury. > > > > > > > > > > This again is a very bad combination for the 8th > > > > > house. The behavior > > > > > of Saturn in the 8th is said to depend on how > > > the > > > > > Mercury is placed > > > > > in the kundali. Mercury in the 8th is very > > > malefic, > > > > > unless in the > > > > > company of male planets. Mercury in the 8th has > > > been > > > > > described as > > > > > beemari ; zahmat aur laanat; chhupi tabahi ka > > > phanda > > > > > ; maali hani > > > > > karnewala ; kodhi etc. Since such a malefic > > > mercury > > > > > is already in > > > > > association of the Saturn, the results will be > > > > > malefic. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore analyzing the combination on both the > > > > > counts, the result > > > > > comes to the same and that is malefic. > > > > > > > > > > ps : next time you post a query, address it > > > > > respectfully. > > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > sanya > > > > > mehra > > > > > <sanyamehra_80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > > > > > > > Its very interesting wht you mentioned for > > > > > saturn rahu > > > > > combination as I have seen this combination in > > > one > > > > > of my relatives > > > > > chart and its very true what you said. He > > > literally > > > > > went through > > > > > hell like time during those years. > > > > > > > > > > > > What about people who have jupiter rahu > > > saturn > > > > > in 8th? > > > > > > or may be some other planet combined with > > > saturn > > > > > and rahu in 8th. > > > > > > Would the effect remain the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > > > Sanya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Inderjeet ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > A very tricky question. > > > > > > > > > > > > bhag umra {36-39} tak apni manda, > > > ichhadhari > > > > > phir hota ho > > > > > > > > > > > > Till the age of 36 -39 it will be generally > > > > > manda and then will > > > > > bloom into good times > > > > > > > > > > > > And now comes the intriguing part > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn and Rahu in the 8th is an interesting > > > > > proposition. There > > > > > are two > > > > > > > > > > > > contradictory statements in the Book about > > > this > > > > > combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ a ] ghar panch ta aathve baitha raja > > > shahon ka > > > > > banata ho [ > > > > > page 897 urdu > > > > > > > > > > > > ed 52] > > > > > > > > > > > > If this combination occurs from the 5th > > > house to > > > > > the 8th house, > > > > > he will have > > > > > > > > > > > > wealth, > > > > > > > > > > > > prosperity and fame. > > > > > > > > > > > > Later in the kana vaar description : > > > > > > > > > > > > [ b ] maut fanda ghar athve hota, nag > > > zamana > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > _______________Ready for the edge of your seat? > > Check out tonight's top picks on TV. > > http://tv./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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