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Dear Varun Bhai,I just tried to clarify the things regarding how Pundit ji use to utilized the Charity money with good intentions. I am fully agreed with you that it was Pundit jis Upaya (no matter whatever medium, Sidhi or Intuition the great soul used, ) that ultimately became a savior for the native. Nobody can deny this fact. RespectfullyYograj Prabhakar.varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Yog Raj ji, You seem to have misunderstood my message. I have nothing

against'charity'. Charity in any form and by any one is always beneficial for the man kind. What I was reacting to is the phrase used by Respected Kiranjit ji: " help was done by pundit ji with his 'sidhi'." It is this that I do not want to be propagated. I believe that the help was done by the upaya. Yes, Pandit ji might have used his intuition { or call it siddhi if you like} to analyse and identify the planet/s causing problems.But ultimately it were the upaya that helped the jatak. With regards, Varun Trivedi. , Yograj Prabhakar <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Varun Bhai, > > I appreciate your concern and pain regarding unnecessary myths about Lal Kitab and Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji. These myths and misconceptions

has really harmed the cause of Lal Kitab astrology very badly. And we should work honestly so that this sacred scripture does not become a laughing stock. > > But with all due respect and apology, I beg to differ with your notion of Myth (in response to Dr. Kiranjit Jis mail). Rest assured, the concept of Charity it is not at all a myth, rather a 100% truth. The only thing Dr. Kiranjit ji is not aware of is the usage of that charity money. A largest part of this money was donated to a Pingalwada in Jalandhar, people from the Pingalwada used to come on a fixed date to collect their share. Some part of this charity money was given for the marriages of underprivileged girls. Many of the benefited families of Doaba region of Punjab can still verify what Pundit Ji has done for them in the need of hour. > > Kindly note that these are not any hearsay rather these are the words of Pundit

Somdutt ji and Shri Ravinder Joshi ji (Pundit jis grandson – Dohtaa, who lives in Phagwara and is working in the administration section of the Punjab Police). This fact can be verified from the Veteran Lal Kitab Maharishi Shri Sumat Prasad ji if anybody has any doubt. Moreover, for me it is hard to digest that a true devotee of the revered Lal Kitab like Dr. Kiranjit ji will ever thought of creating any myth, or spreading any misinformation. > > You have mentioned that Pt. Ji was a simple saintly man (yes he really was), but how come you know that? Is there any indication in any of the book regarding his personality, or is it your personal opinion from his writings only? Varun Bhai, we have seen Pt. Jis photograph as a simple village folk, but do you know that Pundit ji also use to wear attractive three-piece suit and sport a colorful Necktie? And that he also use to speak chaste and fluent

English? Perhaps not many people are not aware that Pt. ji was also called Baba ji, Pt. Roop Lal, Lamba Pundat and Pharwale wala Pundat by nears and dears? > > I fully agree that we should go by the facts rather than the word of mouth, but sometimes everything is not written anywhere. > > > Respectfully > Yograj Prabhakar > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > Please for God’s sake let us not weave another myth around the Lal > Kitab. Such myths have already done a great damage to the cause of > the Lal Kitab. It is because of these baseless myths LK is > considered more a book of Totka-Tona than a serious treatise on > astrology. > > If I believe this myth then I will also have to believe that the > upaya are

all irrelevant. I will also have to believe that what ever > pandit ji achieved in alleviating the misery of the common man was > not through the upaya suggested by him but through the help of these > spirits who delivered redemption at the door steps of the person > like a postman. > > Logically it would mean that upaya suggested by those, who do not > have any of these spirits at their command, would be futile. > > We all know that Pandit ji was a siddh purush. He was a siddh purush > not because he had some ghosts or spirits at his command, but > because he was a well meaning person who wanted the well being of > every one without asking any thing for him in return. He was a > simple saintly man. > > I would, therefore, request members to be careful about what they > say because these things have a far reaching

impact and make LK a > laughing stock amongst the astrology community. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , kiranjit kumar > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > dear kulbir ji, > > there r two different things on the page posted by respected > umesh ji: > > one is varsha phal kundlis and the remedies thereof-remedies > which have been transliterated ably by prabhakar ji. > > second is the complete address of BR Gupta ji.It is this address > which has been encircled by respected pundit ji and in this very > circle only the words 'charity' and the 'dates' appear by or before > which the work of mr . gupta was to be got done-one is to provide > him protection and

the other is for mr. gupta's promotion. This is > what respected pundit ji did with his 'sidhi'--he would ask the > complete address to be written(he would stress it again and again > with the example that if the postman was to deliver a letter at this > address, he should be able to do so easily) and then respected > pundit ji would encicle it with red ink with his pen;write the > purpose e.g. promotion and then by charity in good sense.Earlier he > used to write only by charity;but then someone got promoted to RBI > governor and his only son died after he was promoted. Thereafter; he > started adding the words'in good sense' so that no harm is done to > the person whose help was done by pundit ji with his > > 'sidhi'. > > 'By charity', he did not ask the person to give something > himself to charity. Instead, pundit

ji would ask the person to hand > him over 10% of the financial gains after the work was done by > his 'sidhi'.In those times, the amount would be quite meagre as the > pay scales were not very high. I do not know for what purpose the > money was used by pundit ji--but it can be safely asumed that it was > used for the appeasement of 'sidhi'. > > Pundit ji never accepted any gratifications; the pens ,if > gifted to him,must have been from very very close associates or > friends.Since he had served in AG office ,Simla; he had quite wide > circle of friends.Even from persons whose work was done bu him > through his powers, he never charged or asked for any money except > for the charity which he would tell at the time of writing with red > ink. > > i hope this clarifies about charity and pundit ji's power >

of 'sidhi'. I have quoted all this from by first hand experience > with respected pundit ji in the year 1979. > > With best wishes; > > sincerely, > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > > > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. >

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Friends,

What Dr. Kiranjit jee has written is 100% factual; there is

absolutely no exaggeration in it. Dr. Kiranjit jee is not " weaving a

myth. " This proves that he did attended pundit jee's what he

calls " Suday Durbar " which was generally open to almost all.

 

Pt Jee's " Lal Qalam " (as he used to call it, a very, very expensive

pen) is a blessed pen. He clearly hints about this phenomenon in

the '52 Lal Kitab in grah phal and rashi phal discussion. To

paraphrase .... the modification in grah phal is not possible for

ordinary mortal beings, only a few God gifted people can modify this

and that too at a great personal expense....

This siddhi was provided to him for over-riding grah phal effects and

came to him automatically.

 

About the charity, Yograj jee has explained it factually also.

 

Additionally, someone somewhere during this particular discussion has

objected to Dr. Kiran Jeet jee using the name " Pt Roop Lal. " That is

what most of the people in the area used to refer to him as and not

by his correct name (perhaps because of the Kitab being 'Lal', just a

wild, unsubstantiated guess.)

 

Trying to find the logic behind Pt. Jee's upayas, I think, is beyond

us - we may argue till we turn blue in face, use all sorts of

circular arguments, fill out all the bandwidth on the net, it still

won't happen. I am not implying that we should not think about the

whats and the whys of the upayas but his grasp of the subject was so

deep that it was unfathomable and we can't even guess how far in

advance he was thinking and how many factors he was considering.

Even if we do find the ratinale behind a particular upaya, do we then

have a key or a general formula, which can be used to devise equally

effective upayas for other situations? If the formula can't be

repeated, then it is no good. Just a food for thought.

 

Best wishes to all.

 

Respectfully,

Rajinder Bhatia

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Yograj Prabhakar

<yr_prabhakar wrote:

>

> Dear Varun Bhai,

>

> I just tried to clarify the things regarding how Pundit ji use to

utilized the Charity money with good intentions.

>

> I am fully agreed with you that it was Pundit jis Upaya (no matter

whatever medium, Sidhi or Intuition the great soul used, ) that

ultimately became a savior for the native. Nobody can deny this

fact.

>

> Respectfully

> Yograj Prabhakar.

>

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

Respected Yog Raj ji,

>

> You seem to have misunderstood my message. I have nothing

> against'charity'. Charity in any form and by any one is always

> beneficial for the man kind.

>

> What I was reacting to is the phrase used by Respected Kiranjit ji:

>

> " help was done by pundit ji with his 'sidhi'. "

>

> It is this that I do not want to be propagated. I believe that the

> help was done by the upaya. Yes, Pandit ji might have used his

> intuition { or call it siddhi if you like} to analyse and identify

> the planet/s causing problems.But ultimately it were the upaya

that

> helped the jatak.

>

> With regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi.

>

> , Yograj Prabhakar

> <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun Bhai,

> >

> > I appreciate your concern and pain regarding unnecessary myths

> about Lal Kitab and Pt. Roop Chand Joshi ji. These myths and

> misconceptions has really harmed the cause of Lal Kitab astrology

> very badly. And we should work honestly so that this sacred

> scripture does not become a laughing stock.

> >

> > But with all due respect and apology, I beg to differ with your

> notion of Myth (in response to Dr. Kiranjit Jis mail). Rest

assured,

> the concept of Charity it is not at all a myth, rather a 100%

> truth. The only thing Dr. Kiranjit ji is not aware of is the

usage

> of that charity money. A largest part of this money was donated to

a

> Pingalwada in Jalandhar, people from the Pingalwada used to come

on

> a fixed date to collect their share. Some part of this charity

money

> was given for the marriages of underprivileged girls. Many of the

> benefited families of Doaba region of Punjab can still verify what

> Pundit Ji has done for them in the need of hour.

> >

> > Kindly note that these are not any hearsay rather these are the

> words of Pundit Somdutt ji and Shri Ravinder Joshi ji (Pundit jis

> grandson – Dohtaa, who lives in Phagwara and is working in the

> administration section of the Punjab Police). This fact can be

> verified from the Veteran Lal Kitab Maharishi Shri Sumat Prasad ji

> if anybody has any doubt. Moreover, for me it is hard to digest

that

> a true devotee of the revered Lal Kitab like Dr. Kiranjit ji will

> ever thought of creating any myth, or spreading any misinformation.

> >

> > You have mentioned that Pt. Ji was a simple saintly man (yes he

> really was), but how come you know that? Is there any indication

in

> any of the book regarding his personality, or is it your personal

> opinion from his writings only? Varun Bhai, we have seen Pt. Jis

> photograph as a simple village folk, but do you know that Pundit

ji

> also use to wear attractive three-piece suit and sport a colorful

> Necktie? And that he also use to speak chaste and fluent English?

> Perhaps not many people are not aware that Pt. ji was also called

> Baba ji, Pt. Roop Lal, Lamba Pundat and Pharwale wala Pundat by

> nears and dears?

> >

> > I fully agree that we should go by the facts rather than the

word

> of mouth, but sometimes everything is not written anywhere.

> >

> >

> > Respectfully

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> >

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> wrote: Respected Kiranjit Kumar

ji,

> >

> > Please for God’s sake let us not weave another myth around the

> Lal

> > Kitab. Such myths have already done a great damage to the cause

> of

> > the Lal Kitab. It is because of these baseless myths LK is

> > considered more a book of Totka-Tona than a serious treatise on

> > astrology.

> >

> > If I believe this myth then I will also have to believe that

the

> > upaya are all irrelevant. I will also have to believe that what

> ever

> > pandit ji achieved in alleviating the misery of the common man

> was

> > not through the upaya suggested by him but through the help of

> these

> > spirits who delivered redemption at the door steps of the

person

> > like a postman.

> >

> > Logically it would mean that upaya suggested by those, who do

not

> > have any of these spirits at their command, would be futile.

> >

> > We all know that Pandit ji was a siddh purush. He was a siddh

> purush

> > not because he had some ghosts or spirits at his command, but

> > because he was a well meaning person who wanted the well being

of

> > every one without asking any thing for him in return. He was a

> > simple saintly man.

> >

> > I would, therefore, request members to be careful about what

they

> > say because these things have a far reaching impact and make LK

a

> > laughing stock amongst the astrology community.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , kiranjit kumar

> > <kapatjal@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear kulbir ji,

> > > there r two different things on the page posted by

respected

> > umesh ji:

> > > one is varsha phal kundlis and the remedies thereof-

remedies

> > which have been transliterated ably by prabhakar ji.

> > > second is the complete address of BR Gupta ji.It is this

> address

> > which has been encircled by respected pundit ji and in this

> very

> > circle only the words 'charity' and the 'dates' appear by or

> before

> > which the work of mr . gupta was to be got done-one is to

provide

> > him protection and the other is for mr. gupta's promotion.

This

> is

> > what respected pundit ji did with his 'sidhi'--he would ask the

> > complete address to be written(he would stress it again and

again

> > with the example that if the postman was to deliver a letter at

> this

> > address, he should be able to do so easily) and then respected

> > pundit ji would encicle it with red ink with his pen;write the

> > purpose e.g. promotion and then by charity in good

sense.Earlier

> he

> > used to write only by charity;but then someone got promoted to

> RBI

> > governor and his only son died after he was promoted.

Thereafter;

> he

> > started adding the words'in good sense' so that no harm is done

> to

> > the person whose help was done by pundit ji with his

> > > 'sidhi'.

> > > 'By charity', he did not ask the person to give something

> > himself to charity. Instead, pundit ji would ask the person to

> hand

> > him over 10% of the financial gains after the work was done by

> > his 'sidhi'.In those times, the amount would be quite meagre as

> the

> > pay scales were not very high. I do not know for what purpose

> the

> > money was used by pundit ji--but it can be safely asumed that

it

> was

> > used for the appeasement of 'sidhi'.

> > > Pundit ji never accepted any gratifications; the pens ,if

> > gifted to him,must have been from very very close associates or

> > friends.Since he had served in AG office ,Simla; he had quite

> wide

> > circle of friends.Even from persons whose work was done bu him

> > through his powers, he never charged or asked for any money

> except

> > for the charity which he would tell at the time of writing with

> red

> > ink.

> > > i hope this clarifies about charity and pundit ji's power

> > of 'sidhi'. I have quoted all this from by first hand

experience

> > with respected pundit ji in the year 1979.

> > > With best wishes;

> > > sincerely,

> > > kiranjeet

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The fish are biting.

> > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing.

> >

 

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