Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Varun bhai , seriuosly aapki baat me dum to hai. mere hisab se jab aur jiase lalkitab poori samajh aa jaye wahi iski siddhi hai. kissi extra terrestrial shakti ki zaroorat nahin aadmi mehnat kare gurujano ke experience se guidance le aur 4-5 saal me sidhi ke aas paas pahunch jayenga. am i right? kulbir bains , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > Please for God’s sake let us not weave another myth around the Lal > Kitab. Such myths have already done a great damage to the cause of > the Lal Kitab. It is because of these baseless myths LK is > considered more a book of Totka-Tona than a serious treatise on > astrology. > > If I believe this myth then I will also have to believe that the > upaya are all irrelevant. I will also have to believe that what ever > pandit ji achieved in alleviating the misery of the common man was > not through the upaya suggested by him but through the help of these > spirits who delivered redemption at the door steps of the person > like a postman. > > Logically it would mean that upaya suggested by those, who do not > have any of these spirits at their command, would be futile. > > We all know that Pandit ji was a siddh purush. He was a siddh purush > not because he had some ghosts or spirits at his command, but > because he was a well meaning person who wanted the well being of > every one without asking any thing for him in return. He was a > simple saintly man. > > I would, therefore, request members to be careful about what they > say because these things have a far reaching impact and make LK a > laughing stock amongst the astrology community. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > dear kulbir ji, > > there r two different things on the page posted by respected > umesh ji: > > one is varsha phal kundlis and the remedies thereof-remedies > which have been transliterated ably by prabhakar ji. > > second is the complete address of BR Gupta ji.It is this address > which has been encircled by respected pundit ji and in this very > circle only the words 'charity' and the 'dates' appear by or before > which the work of mr . gupta was to be got done-one is to provide > him protection and the other is for mr. gupta's promotion. This is > what respected pundit ji did with his 'sidhi'--he would ask the > complete address to be written(he would stress it again and again > with the example that if the postman was to deliver a letter at this > address, he should be able to do so easily) and then respected > pundit ji would encicle it with red ink with his pen;write the > purpose e.g. promotion and then by charity in good sense.Earlier he > used to write only by charity;but then someone got promoted to RBI > governor and his only son died after he was promoted. Thereafter; he > started adding the words'in good sense' so that no harm is done to > the person whose help was done by pundit ji with his > > 'sidhi'. > > 'By charity', he did not ask the person to give something > himself to charity. Instead, pundit ji would ask the person to hand > him over 10% of the financial gains after the work was done by > his 'sidhi'.In those times, the amount would be quite meagre as the > pay scales were not very high. I do not know for what purpose the > money was used by pundit ji--but it can be safely asumed that it was > used for the appeasement of 'sidhi'. > > Pundit ji never accepted any gratifications; the pens ,if > gifted to him,must have been from very very close associates or > friends.Since he had served in AG office ,Simla; he had quite wide > circle of friends.Even from persons whose work was done bu him > through his powers, he never charged or asked for any money except > for the charity which he would tell at the time of writing with red > ink. > > i hope this clarifies about charity and pundit ji's power > of 'sidhi'. I have quoted all this from by first hand experience > with respected pundit ji in the year 1979. > > With best wishes; > > sincerely, > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Dear Kulbir Bhai, It might sound unscientific and not logical but this is what I believe or you might call it my faith that the Lal Kitab seeks out it's Paatra.{Faith is something which is not subject to any scientific scrutiny}. All of us who are studying Lal Kitab are a part of a larger scheme that destiny has in store for us. We all got drawn to the Lal Kitab not quite knowing why; and we are all into it today. Yes I agree with you that after devoting a few years in the study of the Lal Kitab some of us might qualify for the asheervad of Pandit ji. Those blessings from Pandit ji might give us a better intuition { you might call it siddhi if you like}. But for me that stage is a long way off. Many miles to go before I sleep. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Varun bhai , seriuosly aapki baat me dum to hai. mere hisab se jab > aur jiase lalkitab poori samajh aa jaye wahi iski siddhi hai. kissi > extra terrestrial shakti ki zaroorat nahin aadmi mehnat kare > gurujano ke experience se guidance le aur 4-5 saal me sidhi ke aas > paas pahunch jayenga. am i right? > > kulbir bains > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > Please for God’s sake let us not weave another myth around the > Lal > > Kitab. Such myths have already done a great damage to the cause of > > the Lal Kitab. It is because of these baseless myths LK is > > considered more a book of Totka-Tona than a serious treatise on > > astrology. > > > > If I believe this myth then I will also have to believe that the > > upaya are all irrelevant. I will also have to believe that what > ever > > pandit ji achieved in alleviating the misery of the common man was > > not through the upaya suggested by him but through the help of > these > > spirits who delivered redemption at the door steps of the person > > like a postman. > > > > Logically it would mean that upaya suggested by those, who do not > > have any of these spirits at their command, would be futile. > > > > We all know that Pandit ji was a siddh purush. He was a siddh > purush > > not because he had some ghosts or spirits at his command, but > > because he was a well meaning person who wanted the well being of > > every one without asking any thing for him in return. He was a > > simple saintly man. > > > > I would, therefore, request members to be careful about what they > > say because these things have a far reaching impact and make LK a > > laughing stock amongst the astrology community. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > dear kulbir ji, > > > there r two different things on the page posted by respected > > umesh ji: > > > one is varsha phal kundlis and the remedies thereof-remedies > > which have been transliterated ably by prabhakar ji. > > > second is the complete address of BR Gupta ji.It is this > address > > which has been encircled by respected pundit ji and in this very > > circle only the words 'charity' and the 'dates' appear by or > before > > which the work of mr . gupta was to be got done-one is to provide > > him protection and the other is for mr. gupta's promotion. This > is > > what respected pundit ji did with his 'sidhi'--he would ask the > > complete address to be written(he would stress it again and again > > with the example that if the postman was to deliver a letter at > this > > address, he should be able to do so easily) and then respected > > pundit ji would encicle it with red ink with his pen;write the > > purpose e.g. promotion and then by charity in good sense.Earlier > he > > used to write only by charity;but then someone got promoted to RBI > > governor and his only son died after he was promoted. Thereafter; > he > > started adding the words'in good sense' so that no harm is done to > > the person whose help was done by pundit ji with his > > > 'sidhi'. > > > 'By charity', he did not ask the person to give something > > himself to charity. Instead, pundit ji would ask the person to > hand > > him over 10% of the financial gains after the work was done by > > his 'sidhi'.In those times, the amount would be quite meagre as > the > > pay scales were not very high. I do not know for what purpose the > > money was used by pundit ji--but it can be safely asumed that it > was > > used for the appeasement of 'sidhi'. > > > Pundit ji never accepted any gratifications; the pens ,if > > gifted to him,must have been from very very close associates or > > friends.Since he had served in AG office ,Simla; he had quite > wide > > circle of friends.Even from persons whose work was done bu him > > through his powers, he never charged or asked for any money except > > for the charity which he would tell at the time of writing with > red > > ink. > > > i hope this clarifies about charity and pundit ji's power > > of 'sidhi'. I have quoted all this from by first hand experience > > with respected pundit ji in the year 1979. > > > With best wishes; > > > sincerely, > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 dear Varun Ji, It is surprising of a pundit of astrology ; not believing in 'riddhi and siddhi' . U perhaps did not read the post carefully. I have only made an endeavour to remove some misconceptions about the photo page posted by respected umesh ji and consequently thrown light on one aspect of personality of respected pundit ji.For u 'sidhi' may be a myth; but everyone,who was in this line, knew about his 'siddhi'.I am talking of seventies. Such powers cannot be used indiscriminately. I do not think that u r naive enough to imagine that pundit ji was using his powers for 100 odd persons visiting him on Sundays.In his Sunday durbaars,he would only ask for a question or two for drusti of kundli and pronounce remedies as par Lk.It was Lal kitab only which he was practising. surely,u would have read the remedies of pundit ji in transliteration of prabhakar ji.LK files were always by the side of pundit ji in his Sunday durbaars. I am duty bound to share my experiences outside the daayera of LK with all those members who have not met or shall never get a chance to meet respected pundit ji.LK is long past of being a myth after Hindi versions made their appearance in the market .Totaka -toona waali baat to tab thi jab pundits were not able to understand it and they made this false propaganda to further their own images. No body can bring its image down and so far no one has appeared on the stage to further its image after pundit ji. kabhie milna, varun ji ; aap ko aur bhi bahut si baaten sunaayoonga.abhi to aap mere baare mein adhik jaante bhi nahin honge.U should utilize your logic and your beautiful writing abilities in a better way with a positive attitude; not just for the sake of writing. MAY i add that i got my promotion to class I officer in 1979 through Punjab public service commision,Patiala with these powers of pundit ji and i paid Rs.3.25/-to pundit ji for charity ( 1% of the increase in my monthly emoluments;it is 1% for doctors) and thanked him with a box of sweets.AND I have no documentary evidence of proving if I tell u that I was asstt. to a relative of mine in operating upon respected pundit ji"s wife for her eye ailment. Aap hi batayein,agar grah grah phal ka ho aur jis ki koi remedy na ho ya kabhi gardish men koi remedy kaam na kar rahi ho, to "rekh mein mekh' kaun lagayega; rekh mein mekh kaa zikr LK mein bhi hai. God bless u; My regards and best wishes, sincerely, kiranjeet Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Respected Bhatia ji and Kiranjit Ji, We all agree that Pandit ji had deep insight into the subject and why not, after all he was the one who discovered the system. Along with the insight into the subject he had tremendous power of intuition also. What I had reacted to was the word ‘siddhi’. In common parlance this word is associated with supernatural, tantra, extraterrestrial, some thing not natural or logical . All I wanted to say was that let us not associate the word ‘siddhi’ with the knowledge of Lal Kitab. If we did that it would mean that after Pandit ji , unless some one emerges who has attained a ‘siddhi’, the Lal Kitab knowledge would stay futile and barren. In that case Lal Kitab will no longer be treated as a valuable book of astrology, it would be some esoteric mysterious book meant for a very few having a ‘siddhi’ The effort of some of us is to establish the Lal Kitab as a treatise on Astrology as valuable as Parashar or Jamini with nothing esoteric or mysterious about it; and to get Lal Kitab established in the main stream of Indian Vedic astrology. There are already myths galore about this book. We, a small group, make every effort to demystify the book. One more myth added would make our task even more difficult. In the astrology community there is already such a great resistance against the Lal Kitab simply because it has become so very popular on the net within a couple of years. The Lal Kitab is so popular that its remedies group is the second most popular astrology group on the entire net. I hope you can understand our predicament. With respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > dear Varun Ji, > It is surprising of a pundit of astrology ; not believing in 'riddhi and siddhi' . > U perhaps did not read the post carefully. > I have only made an endeavour to remove some misconceptions about the photo page posted by respected umesh ji and consequently thrown light on one aspect of personality of respected pundit ji.For u 'sidhi' may be a myth; but everyone,who was in this line, knew about his 'siddhi'.I am talking of seventies. > Such powers cannot be used indiscriminately. > I do not think that u r naive enough to imagine that pundit ji was using his powers for 100 odd persons visiting him on Sundays.In his Sunday durbaars,he would only ask for a question or two for drusti of kundli and pronounce remedies as par Lk.It was Lal kitab only which he was practising. surely,u would have read the remedies of pundit ji in transliteration of prabhakar ji.LK files were always by the side of pundit ji in his Sunday durbaars. > I am duty bound to share my experiences outside the daayera of LK with all those members who have not met or shall never get a chance to meet respected pundit ji.LK is long past of being a myth after Hindi versions made their appearance in the market .Totaka - toona waali baat to tab thi jab pundits were not able to understand it and they made this false propaganda to further their own images. > No body can bring its image down and so far no one has appeared on the stage to further its image after pundit ji. > kabhie milna, varun ji ; aap ko aur bhi bahut si baaten sunaayoonga.abhi to aap mere baare mein adhik jaante bhi nahin honge.U should utilize your logic and your beautiful writing abilities in a better way with a positive attitude; not just for the sake of writing. > MAY i add that i got my promotion to class I officer in 1979 through Punjab public service commision,Patiala with these powers of pundit ji and i paid Rs.3.25/-to pundit ji for charity ( 1% of the increase in my monthly emoluments;it is 1% for doctors) and thanked him with a box of sweets.AND I have no documentary evidence of proving if I tell u that I was asstt. to a relative of mine in operating upon respected pundit ji " s wife for her eye ailment. > Aap hi batayein,agar grah grah phal ka ho aur jis ki koi remedy na ho ya kabhi gardish men koi remedy kaam na kar rahi ho, to " rekh mein mekh' kaun lagayega; rekh mein mekh kaa zikr LK mein bhi hai. > God bless u; > My regards and best wishes, > sincerely, > kiranjeet > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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