Silver bangle To Nirmal Ji

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Respected Nirmal JiI have no intention to give any emotional pain to u.If i offended u ,plz pardon me. It may be a sad state for u but each acadmic person will feel glad that we r thinking about this book without a criteria of TOTKA-ISM .If im twisting the meanings then u have right to make it untwisted with logics.Nowhere im claiming that im more knowledgeful than others. I have scholarly readings with experiences & im sharing with all according to my SAAMARTHYA. So it is not compulsry to define that in which context the words used LETAA,KHADAA, GANDAA ANDAA. But any reader of lalkitab can accept that PujyaPandit Ji used usually BUDH KA ANDAA. Now " Who is misleading" will be depend upon readers & seekers. Neither u r a judge nor im. At next step as u said "ANDAA SECTION" specially for me describing ur game of childhood, I want to say here :-AAPKE BACHPAN KI KARTOOTON AUR JAWAANI KE JALWON SE MUJHE KOI SAROKAAR NAHI HAI But I can say confidently that egg is not so rare that it can not be seen with open eyes by a PANDIT .If u feel that ur game of childhood or any exercise of young age can be helpful to understand lalkitab. I welcome heartly. Now as u say in perview of MANGAL 4 quoting those lines of lalkitab. Lines r - 1. Mangal Bud ko buray asar se roknay wala Chander Dil Rekha Ha2. 'Sir Rekha' Sahi Ho tou Mangal Bud Kaa asar bura naa Hoga, Agar BudhQayam aur Darust Ho to Mangal Bud Ka Asar Bura Naa Hoga. So im saying for ur iformation that 1st of all if u see MANGAL BAD permanent abode is between Chander & Budh THEN HOW U FORGOT AT THE FRONT of that MANGAL NEK ? Both will be analyzed comparetively. At other hand, as u r using BUDH DURUST in a sphere BEJOD KADAA made by silver at the wrist (arm),then im not agree with ur defination of BUDH DURUST in a sphered shape & using it as remedy for Mars 4th.Using bejod Kadaa of silver at wrist will be treated Budh incluiding moon(Silver) in Khana no. 3( It has been accepted by u in ur own words in ur group where u r moderator) Now read Y im not agree---------Bcoz lalkitab clearly says No. 8,4,3 main se kisi ek ghar main mangal ho aur bakee 2 main se budh ketu ho to mangal bad hogaa.( nowhere Pujya Pandit ji wrote that due to sphere shape the durust budh will not be cause of Mangal bad & sphered DURUST budh will be remedy of Mangal bad ).But Pandit ji told BUDH QAYAM AUR DURUST HO TO MANGAL BAD KA ASAR BURAA NA HOGAA. So i discard ur logic that sphered shaped without joint will be only DURUST BUDH. No defination i found in REVERED LALKITAB like this. But dayraa of Budh is accepted without any perception of NEK or BAD only. Here u have lack of understanding for REVERED lalkitab that u r making budh DURUST in a sphere. In fact u can read in lalkitab about the defination of any DURUST Grah under the heading of QAYAM grah. That is totally defferent from ur logic of DURUST (Sphered) BUDH. Even there has been written clearly that--- .....APNAA ASAR BAGAIR KISI DUSHMAN GRAH KI MILAAWAT KE SAAF SAAF AUR KAAYAM RAKH RAHAA HO................YAAANEEEEEE...........................................KISI TARAH SE BHI USMAIN DUSHMAN KA ASAR NA MIL RAHAA HO NA HEE VAH KISI DUSHMAN GRAH KA SAATHI BAN RAHAA HO TO VAH QAYAM GRAH KEHLAYEGA.(all these words written at page no 47 in 1952 edition)jabki aap to khud budh ko dushman moon ke saath ek silver BANGLE ki shape main dalne ki advice kar rahe hain. So how it can be logical. Now u can understand better about the defination of QAYAM as wel as DURUST.If u would say that green colored glass bangle shud be worn, then i would think at this but In lalkitab it has been also denied itself as i wrote above in red words as No. 8,4,3 main.....................etc from lalkitab. Agar bhai isek baad bhi tum mere ankho se dekhe gaye ANDEY par shubaah karte ho aur suni sunayee baaton ko manvaane par jor daaltey ho to tum khud hee jaanch lo ki tum kitne thheek ho. Tumhain to pataa hi hai ki main ANDEY khanaa to door touch bhi nahi kartaa ,lekin maine itnaa ghee bhi nahe khaayaa ki tumhaari ek hi baat ke liye baar baar saari baaton ko dohraataa rahoon, main bhi bachchey paal rahaa hoon koi PIGS nahi ki jaise chaahey chhod doon aaur ek hee baat saabit karne main lagaa rahoon . Maslan aap bolain ki BAIL (ox) DOODH DETAA HAI aur main kahoon ki NAHI DETAA HAI ,aise main main tou kyaa koi bhi kuchh nahi kar saktaa. Faislaa padhne wale khud hee kar lengey.

Ab aap chaahey jitnaa marzi boliye ki meraa concept clear hai. Aapke us clear concept ka disscussion group main kyaa faydaa jo doosron ke aagey na clear ho sakey? At last If u feel satisfactory after not giving any enlightened view about LETAA ,KHADAA ,GANDAA ANDAA according ur studies of lalkitab. U can feel. I stated which i find & will be continued in future also at per disscussion's requirement.Shabba KhairPt.Lalkitabee , NKB <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Shukla Ji,> It is a sad state that a learned person like you trying to twist the> meanings of LalKitab diktats. From your mail, it seems, you even don't know,> that in which context, Pandit Ji used the terms Khada, Leta and ganda Anda> and what does it mean. It is really misleading if you try to link it with> the Dayra of Budh.> Shukla Ji Aap anday ko To haath nahin LagaTay hongay, is liye aap ko is kaa> matlab maaloom nahin hoga. But,we used to play this game (Khada, Leta Anda)> in our childhood.> Regarding the Two Lines, it clarifies its meaning itself.> In my opinion, what i gather from my studies , the darust halat of Budh is> its true roundness without any kink or joint may it be in Bangle, Kada or> Ring.> You might be knowing that Mangal Bud permanent abode is between Chander & > Budh. If these two planets are not qayam & darust then we Mangal Bud will> try to come out to give bad results.> Shukla Ji,You have a vast experience in LalKitab Please clarify to all> What do you understand by darust Halat of Budh> We will be obliged.> > Regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > On 6/16/07, lalkitabee < lalkitabee wrote:> >> > Respected Nirmal Ji> > Budh may be elliptical or non-elliptical .Budh is budh itself due to> > its roundness or ellipticity. The shape may be as sphere or as> > elliptical.It is not a measurement of DURUST or BEDURUST BUDH. It> > is a different chapter.Pandit ji used the word ANDAA (egg) for> > budh.He used usualy-- BUDH KA ANDAA, KHADAA ANDAA ,LETAA HUA> > ANDAA , GANDAA ANDAA .If elliptical shape is malefic budh ,Y pandit> > ji catagorised it.Pandit ji addressed budh as Andaa even where> > benefic budh also addressed KHADAA ANDAA by Pandit ji. & where it> > is malefic it has been called GANDAA ANDAA.U know egg has never a> > shape as sphere. So It is wrong that elliptical shape of budh is a> > sign of malefic budh only.May be elliptical or sphere ,both r budh> > only,without any perception of malefic or benefic.> > At other side in perview of Mars u r> > saying "Budh Kayam aur darust ho to mangal bad ka bura asar na hoga"> > etc.. Yes it is true & written in Revered Lalkitab but Im unable to> > understand that wat do u mean here ? Wat r u accepting with those> > two lines ? Do u mean ," in the remedy (Silver Kadaa) for Mars> > 4th ,Mercury also shud be accepted in KADAA (endless round) with> > this remedy as DURUST MERCURY ? Plz clerify.After that all of us can> > go to conclusion.> > With regards> > Pt.Lalkitabee> > <%40>,> > NKB nirbhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > I have been reading the discussions regularly. Due to very busy> > schedule at> > > my work place I don't take part actively in the discussions. but ,> > I could> > > not forbid my self as the discussion is going array with a small> > > misconception about budh.> > >> > > Just from the very first discussion,it was emphasized that Budh> > shall not be> > > got involved in the remedy for Mangal Bud. Before i proceed> > further, I> > > reproduce below , few transcription from the Holy Book which all> > of you must> > > have came through while studying:-> > >> > > 1. Mangal Bud ko buray asar se roknay wala Chander Dil Rekha Hai> > (मंगल बद को> > > बà¥à¤°à¥‡ असर की तरफ से रोकने> > वाला चंदर दिल रेखा है> > > 2. 'Sir Rekha' Sahi Ho tou Mangal Bud Kaa asar bura naa Hoga, Agar> > Budh> > > Qayam aur Darust Ho to Mangal Bud Ka Asar Bura Naa Hoga.> > > ( सर रेखा सही हो तो मंगल बद> > का बà¥à¤°à¤¾ असर न होगा. अगर बà¥à¤§> > क़ायम �¤"र दरà¥à¤¸à¥à¤¤ हो तो> >> > > मंगल बद का असर बà¥à¤°à¤¾ न होग> > ा )> > >> > > Now What is the darust Halat of Budh?> > > Here are my views:> > > Is it the Round with a Break or Complete round.> > > If we take The definition of 'Bejod' as open ended ring or> > jointed/welded> > > then that will not represent darust or true Budh. Any kink or> > break in the> > > roundness will disturb Budh as well as all the planets who always> > > revolve/walk on the path(Dayra) of Budh.> > > Coming to second Definition of 'Bejod' as being given by Repected> > Yograj> > > Prabhakar Ji , one piece ring with no joint or joint less> > represent true and> > > darust Budh.> > > Why?> > > because this true budh shape is owned by all the planets and> > represent there> > > darust halat.> > > Take an example of Eclipse> > > When Any planet is eclipsed, it shape, visually or (Sphere of> > energy), is> > > changed from True roundness to elliptical or we can say as non> > round. Which> > > mean the Budh has been disturbed there , resulting the bad result> > or no> > > result of that planet.> > > We must not jump to conclusion that Budh,(who is called in book at> > many> > > place as Ullu Ka patha, Haram Zadi Laundiya else else, because of> > it bad> > > position in certain houses,) is Bad or never be a good planet.> > > It is Budh which helps Shukkar to be a Mother or father or a good> > spouse. It> > > is Budh who with Sun makes as Masnooyi Mangal Nek. and with> > Shukkar it make> > > Masnooyi Sooraj except with Mangal it make Shani Rahu Subhao.> > > Dear friends this book has the text/scripted in Urdu but> > dialact/Words of> > > this book is of Punjab origin. In Punjabi, Bejod means without> > any Joint.> > > 'Chhalla', Kada, Choodi, are called a round rings with or without> > joints.> > > When we call Bejod Chhalla, Kada, Choodi then it means that one> > piece round> > > shape.> > > Bejod Sariya Means Straight rod without joint.> > > By Using Bejod Chandi Kaa Kada/CHoodi we Keep the Budh darust> > which keeps> > > the Moon as well as Mars to be on right path.> > >> > > Another term used in discussion is of steel, seamless steel pipes.> > or> > > steel/Silver pipes. Friends the reference here in the book is not> > for> > > steel(stainless, Mild Steel etc.) it is "faulad" or you can say as> > > wrought/Cast iron which normally do not get rusted.> > >> > > That is all about my opinion about this remedy.> > > Regards> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > >> > > On 6/14/07, Geeta Pahuja geetp56@ wrote:> > > >> > > > The holes in the nose or ears are also Budh. For malefic> > Jupiter we take> > > > the help of Jupiter's asya, for malefic Ketu, Ketu kayam, for> > sun pray to> > > > sun, for Rahu malefic taking blessing of Rahu etc. In the same> > manner, main> > > > remedies for Mercury are done by keeping Mercury happy or with> > things> > > > related to mercury. Silver ring in nose is used to give the help> > of moon to> > > > budh. The remedy for malefic Budh is the piercing of the nose> > of Budh 8> > > > Person's daughter(budh) and putting silver ring in her nose not> > the stud.> > > > Round holes represent budh, jo body per kayam ho jata he. In> > the same> > > > manner the only yellow pumpkin which is ripen and empty from> > inside is budh> > > > and is offered to a temple. Silver ball which is hollow inside> > is also budh> > > > . Big utencils with lid and empty from inside, kept in the house> > are budh.> > > > Dholak is hollow from inside and is budh. It is not necessary> > that Gol aakar> > > > hone se budh hota he. When we talk about ketu, it is black and> > white or two> > > > coloured dog or chitkabra dog. If the dog is of red colour it> > will be ketu> > > > but with the effect of budh. In the same way if the horse is of> > yellow> > > > colour then even though horse is chandra but it will carry the> > effects of> > > > jupiter. Therefore, remedy of steel challa is help of saturn> > to mercury.> > > >> > > >> > > > Budh is napunsak grah. it does not give its own results. It> > gives the> > > > results of the planet which sits with it or of the rashi in> > which it is> > > > placed. When we do a hole in body we kayam budh on our body and> > with hole> > > > the surface of the skin also spreads or increases in the same> > manner as the> > > > person who uses more brain increases his intelligentia.> > > >> > > > geeta> > > >> > > >> > > > *varun_trvd varun_trvd@* wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Yograj ji,> > > >> > > > For each one of us, who is a student of Lal Kitab, Pandit ji is> > > > poojneeya, and anusarneeya. Assuming that he suggested a> > completely> > > > closed steel chaalla for budh in 12th then would you agree that> > > > Pandit ji wanted to establish budh and not Saturn?> > > >> > > > If so, don't you think we should try to find the logic behind> > this?> > > >> > > > What Pt. Lalkitabee ji has done is to prove that the intention of> > > > Pandit ji was to establish Saturn in its purest form. In other> > words> > > > he took the help of Saturn to suppress budh because Saturn alone> > has> > > > all the three qualities of : being a friend of mercury, one who> > is> > > > not hostile to Jupiter and can also keep rahu in control.> > > >> > > > We are discussing the issue dispassionately and academically and> > > > none of us can ever dream of going contrary to what Pandit ji has> > > > said. For all of us he is the last word.> > > >> > > > But it is always better to understand the logic behind the upaya> > so> > > > that other upaya can be devised keeping in mind the karaks and> > the> > > > principles of Lal Kitab.> > > >> > > > With regards and utmost respect,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Acharya Lalkitabee ji Maharaj,> > > > >> > > > > Ap Lal Kitab Jyotish Mein Ek Khas Reputation Rakhtey Hain, Jis> > Ke> > > > Aas-Paas Bhi Pahunch Paana Kum-Az-Kum Mujh Jaise Haqeer Insaan Ke> > > > Toh Bootey Ki Baat Nahi Hai. Main Badey Adab-O-khaloos Se Do> > Baatein> > > > Kehne Ki Ijaazat Chahoonga.> > > > >> > > > > 1. Meharbani kar ke Zara Ghaur se Dekhiye ki is Nacheez ne kya> > arz> > > > kiya hai . Jisko Ap Kaano Ki Suni Farma Rahe hain, Wo Pundit Ji> > ke> > > > Mukharvind Se Nikla Huya Aadesh hai, Us Aadesh Ko Koyi Aur Beshaq> > > > Kisi Tarah Bhi Ley, Magar Mere Liye Woh Utimate Aur Absolute hai.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Mere Ajeez Dost, Ankhan Ki Dekhi Ko Maine Jis Sandarbh Mein> > > > Istehmaal Kiya hai Meharbaani Karke Ap Usko Usi Sandarbh Mein Hi> > > > Dekhein. Kyon Ki Agar Hum Muddey se Bahar Jakar Kori Laffazee Aur> > > > Filmi Dialogues Baazi Mein Ulajh Jayengey to Ye Poori Ki Poori> > > > Discussion Mehaz Zehnee-Ayyashi Ban Kar Reh Jayegi.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Respectfully> > > > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > Respected Yograj ji> > > > > A scholar of lalkitab like u , who never goes beyond the single> > > > word of this revered book, even who was so careful to the use of> > > > MOOL LALKITAB that couldn't tolerated the use of words> > > > like "MASLAN" & "JAISE" (EVEN BOTH HAVE SAME MEANINGS.).Kisi ko> > yah> > > > achchha lagaa ya nahi lekin mujhe aapkaa yah tarikaa bahut> > achchha> > > > lagaa tha.But a person who was so strict at this issue to use of> > > > ORIGINAL BOOK. Alas! today the same person is advicing me to> > > > believe "AAANKHAN DEKHI" only. In fact there is so much written> > > > prooves r available in KAGAD KI LEKHI.> > > > > If AANKHAN KI DEKHI WAS SO SUFFIECIENT ,THEN Y & FOR> > > > WHAT WE SHUD READ LALKITAB & for what purpose it was written ?> > The> > > > person who used the word as DALDA BOOK, for the use of other> > books> > > > based upon original book & appriciated the use of original book> > > > only , even prescribed to read URDU WRITTEN book only. Today he> > is> > > > saying to believe only AANKHAN DEKHI.> > > > > As u r saying me:- Tu kehta Kagad Ki Lekhi> > > > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki> > > > Dekhi.> > > > > I want to recall u with humble words that :- 1.KAGAD KI LEKHI> > > > IS MOST RELIABLE> > > > >> > > > 2.ANKHAN KI DEKHI IS MORE RELIABLE> > > > >> > > > 3.KAANO KI SUNI IS LESS RELIABLE> > > > > And u r confessing urself in ur mail that u r saying KAANO KI> > > > SUNI, not aankhan ki dekhi.(U can re-read ur mail for> > confirmation)> > > > > As well as my colorful artical," U can see all colors were used> > > > to provide a grasp to the subject, for a reader. Specially for> > them> > > > who use quotes from lalkitab. And other side i want to say that i> > > > didnt saw Pujya Pandit Ji, but i see his image 1st of all, which> > is> > > > available at www.originallalkitab.com ,bfor making a write-> > > > up .After this I read & use only KAGAD KI LEKHI" by Pujya Pandit> > > > Ji ,as per my capability & understanding.AB AAP HEE KAHO KI MAIN> > > > KAANO KI SUNI PAR BHAROSAA KAROON YA PANDIT JI KE DWARA KHUD> > LIKHI> > > > HUYEE KITAB PAR BHAROSAA KAROON.> > > > > Only Lalkitab is a live statue of Pujya Pandit Ji for> > > > me, no any other way. If there is any other way, nesseccery to> > > > confirm from lalkitab or according to the rules of lalkitab bfor> > > > acceptance.> > > > > With Regards> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vipin Shukla Ji,> > > > > > It is yet another very impressive and colorful description> > > > indeed Vipin Bhai. Why a Bejod Chhalla is recommended, what is> > the> > > > logic behind this remedy, how it works and how many planets are> > > > involved in the whole process is a separate issue. But I> > disagree to> > > > agree with your perception regarding the> > description/specification> > > > of a Bejod Chhalla. In my humble opinion it should be (rather> > must> > > > be) nothing but a totally seamless one, no matter whether it is> > > > prepared by cutting, molding or any other method.> > > > > >> > > > > > Believe me, my conviction is not baseless. I know many people> > > > whom Pundit ji recommended the rings in question and strictly> > > > advised them to procure the seamless ones only. Therefore, for me> > > > Pundit jis diktat is absolute and conclusive since I am a more> > > > practical guy rather than a theoretical one. I am quoting the> > > > following lines of Sant Kabir ji to clarify my stance (certainty> > not> > > > intended to offend a good friend like you):> > > > > >> > > > > > Tu kehta Kagad Ki Lekhi> > > > > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki Dekhi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Finally, one humble request to you, kindly use single color> > and> > > > font in your writings. Ornate presentations somehow diminish the> > > > very spirit of your otherwise brilliant script.> > > > > >> > > > > > Respectfully> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > > Respected Yograj ji, KiranJit Ji & Geeta ji,> > > > > > I was reading views written by all of u about BEJOD CHHALLA.> > I> > > > have some opinion of mine & i want to share here.All of u r> > prooving> > > > the meaning of BEJOD Challa. As wel as i can say the word has> > been> > > > used for budh ,specially for khana no.12 budh.> > > > > > Bfor continue next i want to say ," Yes,every round thing is> > not> > > > necessarily a representative of budh.But in perview of remedy of> > > > lalkitab it will be counted of budh 1st of all , after that we> > have> > > > to see its metal etc for sub-planetry object.> > > > > > Again im coming to the point .Here is the question:-> > > > > > 1. Y Budh is remediable in 12th ?> > > > > > 2. If it is remediable , what modus operandi will be useful ?> > > > > > 3. Y Pujya Pandit ji said Iron made BEJOD FAULAD KA CHALLA ?> > > > > > (a).Is there was a motive to establish BUDH?> > > > > > (b)Is there was a motive to establish SATURN ?> > > > > > Ans No. 1:- In the very bigining of lalkitab has been> > written ---> > > > YAHEE CHAKKAR MAIN DAALE RAKHNE KI DUSHMANI BARHASPAT (jup.) SE> > > > BUDH KO HOGI. (Here is clear that budh is enemy of Jupiter & in> > > > khana no 12 it is NEECh, as well as there is partnership of Neech> > > > Rahu in khana no12th so with the role of his friend rahu ,the> > Budh> > > > reveals itself to fulfil its rival nature to Jupiter,Now Neech> > budh> > > > wants to eatablish the empire of neech rahu.Bcoz if we see> > masnuyee> > > > of Budh (Guru+ Rahu) ,the we can analyze the Role of Rahu in> > 12th.> > > > In fact it spreads its mean or evil activities, so it is> > remediable> > > > Rahu to bura hogaa hee chahey asal rahu khana 6 main hee kyon na> > > > baithaa ho aise main mandey rahu ka bhi upay budh ke upay se> > pehley> > > > kar denaa shayad hi koyee faydaa pahunchaa sakey> > > > > >> > > > > > Ans.2. Now wat to do? Clearly written in lalkitab for budh of> > > > khana no.12 :-> > > > > > 4 CHHATHEY (6th) 9 ,12 MAAREY, 3 DOOJAA NAHI BACHTAA HO> > > > > > GURU RAAHU KHUD JAD SE KATtEY, SUKHIYAA RAANI NA RAJA HO> > > > > > SHANI RAVI KOYEE 12 BAITHEY ASAR JEHAR NA UN PAR HO.> > > > > > SAATH SAATHI GRAH SHATRU HOTE JEHAR SHANI MAIN BHARTAA HO> > > > > > Now Pujya Pandit ji used to establish Saturn at budh & > > himself> > > > said shani & Ravi will reduce the poison of Budh.In this perview> > > > Pandit ji suggested BEJOD FAULAD KA CHHALLA (jise jod ya taankaa> > na> > > > lagaa ho, means open ended)> > > > > > The conflict is here to know about wat is BEJOD. I saw many> > > > opinions at this. I want to say that Pandit ji could use the> > word ---> > > > dhalaayee main dhaal kar banyaa huyaa ya dhalaa hua . It was not> > a> > > > rare word at that time.Plz read my observations with the lalkitab> > > > verdicts.> > > > > > Ans no.3 a :- At other side clearly said --- JOD YA TAANKAA> > NA> > > > LAGAA HO. ( It means jod or welding will include Rahu with budh> > & it> > > > will give bad effects.) As wel as, about one peace without joint> > or> > > > moulded ring , it will be Budh's impact at shani. Here is no> > lozic> > > > to mix budh & shani or establishing Budh> > > > > > .Ans No.3b :- Here clear lozic is to establish a planet which> > > > may be respectful to guru & may be the friend of budh. Both these> > > > attributes are in Saturn only. (That is why, Pujya Pandit Ji did> > not> > > > told to wear a BEJOD-ring of silver or copper) At other side it> > can> > > > control hidden bad activities of rahu supporting Budh. So BEJOD> > > > (Open ended)RING AT LAST FINGER (Which is directly concerned with> > > > budh ) is a remedy. Otherwise wearing Budh for malefic Budh ,how> > > > much proper ,all of u can analyze. Even Respected Pandit ji> > written--> > > > KHAALIS FAULAD JISE JANG (Rust = Rahu) NA LAGNE> > PAAYE…………JIS KADAR> > > > JYADAA CHAMAKDAAR SAAF SUTHRAA HOGAA USI KADAR LAMP MAIN SAAF> > > > CHIMNEY YA BIJLI KEE LEHAR KE LIYE BALB KA KAAM DEGA AUR BHAGYA> > KI> > > > SOYEE HUYEE LEHAR KO FAURAN JAGAA DEGAA .Wat a similey used by> > > > Pandit ji �€"Evil Electric waves of Rahu- part of Budh can be> > modified> > > > as a light of lamp of good luck. So much equal to the power & > > use of> > > > electricity in modern age. It means pure Saturn ,even> > > > > > which would not be covered by Rahu (Rust), then how it can be> > > > used it in the shape of Budh. All of all, only Saturn's> > > > establishment at Budh is motive there & it is clearly written in> > > > lalkitab.> > > > > > With readings of this revered book, In my opinion--Making> > Ring> > > > completely rounded will disturb the remedy ,even it may be TAANKE> > > > WAALI or MOULDED. Making it jointless with two ends is a> > > > establishment of saturn with a path for Jupiter into budh under> > the> > > > supervision of Saturn.(Ya aise bola jaye ki budh ke daayre main> > > > brihaspati ki havaa ka raastaa denaa hoga. Isee vazah se hee> > Budh 12> > > > ke liye kesar ka TILAK bhi kahaa gayaa hai taaki budh ka masnuyee> > > > walaa guru ka hissa(Part) theek ho jaye use POWER miley aur Pujya> > > > Pandit ji ne to yah bhi likhaa hai ki RAAKH (Budh) KA TILAK PITA> > > > (Guru) PAR BHAAREE HOGAA. Means establishment of BUDH by TILAK of> > > > RAAKH will create distruction at all.So it is very clear that> > > > eastablishment of budh has been totally denied & once Budh is> > denied> > > > totally,how it is possible to accept as a remedial tool again,> > It is> > > > the reason that endless ring also will be denied .Or we can say> > > > Saturn is as a medium or middle-man> > > > > > there only.> > > > > >> > > > > > With regards> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Dr. Kiranjit Sahib,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So many techniques are discussed for making Joint Less> > Steel> > > > Rings, Like the Dhalayi Wala method as mentioned by you, and by> > > > cutting a pipe suggested earlier by some other colleague.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As far as the Dhalayi Wala method is concerned, it is> > > > perfectly alright. But there is a problem in Pipe cutting method,> > > > most of the pipes have joint, whereas we require a seamless pipe> > for> > > > this purpose, and seamless pipes are not easily available and are> > > > much more costlier than the normal ones. Moreover pipes have a> > fixed> > > > inner dia like 12mm, 19mm, 25mm and so on, so making a ring by> > > > cutting pipe (even the seamless one) is not a wise idea.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The best way is to prepare the Joint less ring is by> > drilling> > > > a steel rod as per the finger thickness, this can be done on a> > lathe> > > > machine by a machine man quite easily, all you need is to find a> > > > willing machine man.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Finally, you have said that every round thing is not> > > > necessarily a representative of Budh, can you elaborate this> > point> > > > for a student like me?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With regards> > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:> > > > > > > dear Friends,> > > > > > > There is no doubt that "bejod' stands for without a joint> > > > or 'tanka'(goldsmith's language) i.e. the silver bangle has to be> > > > made by a workman who makes it by DHALAI. These workmen r now> > > > difficult to find with the result that the practiotioners of lk> > > > started talking of pipes etc.> > > > > > > the same is for steel ring for budh 12. where ever the word> > > > is "bejod" it is dhalai wala i.e. pouring the molten metal into a> > > > sancha. As mentioned earlier also, every round thing is not> > > > necessarily a representative of budh.> > > > > > > wih best wishes;> > > > > > > sincerely,> > > > > > > kiranjeet> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time> > > > > > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > TV dinner still cooling?> > > > > > > Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. 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Dear Vipin Bhai Meri samajh se bahar hai ki ek chhotey se masleh ke liye itni badmazgee kyon? Kisi mohatbar sakhsiyat ke liye AP se TUM par utar aana akir kya zaahir karta hai? Kya hum Azeem-o-shaan Lal Kitab ke us farmaan ki hukm-adooli toh nahi kar rahe jisme saaf saaf alfaaz mein farmaya gaya hai ki Ilm aur Aalim ki Badkhoyee se parhez chahiye? Is mein koyi shaq nahi ki Kisi bhi Ilm ki Fala-o-Behboodi ke liye sehatmand Behas Mubahisa hona nihayat zaroori hai. Magar Main Na Manoo wali zidd akhir kahan tak theek hai? Ya ki apni kamiyon ko tasleem karna hum apni tauheen samajhtey hain? Dhyan rahe ki main is Haq ke qatayee nahi hoon ki Ek Ne Kahi Dooje Ne Maani-Nanak Kahe Dono Gyani. wali reet chalayi jaye. Magar jawab dene ki bajaye ultey aur

sawalaat daagh dena, aur sawal Gandum Jawab Cheenam ki policy akhtiyar karna, kori aur bemayanee laffazee mein mulawwas rehna akhir kahan tak darust hai? Akhir jo sach hai usko maan leney se parhez kyon? Kya hum sach bolney se dartey hain ya sach sunne se? Agar aisa hai to badey afsos ke sath kehna padega ki hum ne abhi tak mahaan Lal Kitab se kuchh bhi nahi seekha. Is silsiley mein main is group hi ki misaal dena chahonga jahan ki maine Varun ji ko Masnavi ki jagah Masnooyi kar lene ke liye bola tha aur unhoney ekdum baat maani aur mera shukriya adaa kiya, ye baat se zaahir hota hai ki kitney mazboot aur shaffaq sanskaar hain unke. Sirf likhney ke maqsad se hi likhney ki aadat se gurez rakhna hi behtar hai. Achrya jee, bara-e-karam apne apko Budh ke dayrey se bahar nikalo, agar ap jaisa Brahaspat hi Budh ke changul mein phans gaya to Qayamat ho jayegi. Aur haan, mashwira apko aur dene ki ghustafee chahoonga, chhonki ap ajkal Urdu seekh rahe hain toh talaffuz mein ghalti mat kiya karo. Apne apni ek mail ke akhir main ek lafz Shabba Khair istehmaal kiya hai jo ki taqazaa-e-lughat se mutabiq saraasar ghalat hai, sahi lafz Shab-bakhair hai.RespectfullyYograj Prabhakarlalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Respected Nirmal JiI have no intention to give any emotional pain to u.If i offended u ,plz pardon me. It may be a sad state for u but each acadmic person will feel glad that we r thinking about this book without a criteria of TOTKA-ISM .If im twisting the meanings then u have right to make it untwisted with logics.Nowhere im claiming that im more knowledgeful than others. I have scholarly readings with experiences & im

sharing with all according to my SAAMARTHYA. So it is not compulsry to define that in which context the words used LETAA,KHADAA, GANDAA ANDAA. But any reader of lalkitab can accept that PujyaPandit Ji used usually BUDH KA ANDAA. Now " Who is misleading" will be depend upon readers & seekers. Neither u r a judge nor im. At next step as u said "ANDAA SECTION" specially for me describing ur game of childhood, I want to say here :-AAPKE BACHPAN KI KARTOOTON AUR JAWAANI KE JALWON SE MUJHE KOI SAROKAAR NAHI HAI But I can say confidently that egg is not so rare that it can not be seen with open eyes by a PANDIT .If u feel that ur game of childhood or any exercise of young age can be helpful to understand lalkitab. I welcome heartly. Now as u say in perview of MANGAL 4 quoting those lines of lalkitab. Lines r -

1. Mangal Bud ko buray asar se roknay wala Chander Dil Rekha Ha2. 'Sir Rekha' Sahi Ho tou Mangal Bud Kaa asar bura naa Hoga, Agar BudhQayam aur Darust Ho to Mangal Bud Ka Asar Bura Naa Hoga. So im saying for ur iformation that 1st of all if u see MANGAL BAD permanent abode is between Chander & Budh THEN HOW U FORGOT AT THE FRONT of that MANGAL NEK ? Both will be analyzed comparetively. At other hand, as u r using BUDH DURUST in a sphere BEJOD KADAA made by silver at the wrist (arm),then im not agree with ur defination of BUDH DURUST in a sphered shape & using it as remedy for Mars 4th.Using bejod Kadaa of silver at wrist will be treated Budh incluiding moon(Silver) in Khana no. 3( It has been accepted by u in ur own words in ur group where u r moderator) Now read Y im not

agree---------Bcoz lalkitab clearly says No. 8,4,3 main se kisi ek ghar main mangal ho aur bakee 2 main se budh ketu ho to mangal bad hogaa.( nowhere Pujya Pandit ji wrote that due to sphere shape the durust budh will not be cause of Mangal bad & sphered DURUST budh will be remedy of Mangal bad ).But Pandit ji told BUDH QAYAM AUR DURUST HO TO MANGAL BAD KA ASAR BURAA NA HOGAA. So i discard ur logic that sphered shaped without joint will be only DURUST BUDH. No defination i found in REVERED LALKITAB like this. But dayraa of Budh is accepted without any perception of NEK or BAD only. Here u have lack of understanding for REVERED lalkitab that u r making budh DURUST in a sphere. In

fact u can read in lalkitab about the defination of any DURUST Grah under the heading of QAYAM grah. That is totally defferent from ur logic of DURUST (Sphered) BUDH. Even there has been written clearly that--- .....APNAA ASAR BAGAIR KISI DUSHMAN GRAH KI MILAAWAT KE SAAF SAAF AUR KAAYAM RAKH RAHAA HO................YAAANEEEEEE...........................................KISI TARAH SE BHI USMAIN DUSHMAN KA ASAR NA MIL RAHAA HO NA HEE VAH KISI DUSHMAN GRAH KA SAATHI BAN RAHAA HO TO VAH QAYAM GRAH KEHLAYEGA.(all these words written at page no 47 in 1952 edition)jabki aap to khud budh ko dushman moon ke saath ek silver BANGLE ki shape main dalne ki advice kar rahe hain. So how it can be logical. Now u can understand better about the defination of QAYAM as wel as DURUST.If u

would say that green colored glass bangle shud be worn, then i would think at this but In lalkitab it has been also denied itself as i wrote above in red words as No. 8,4,3 main.....................etc from lalkitab. Agar bhai isek baad bhi tum mere ankho se dekhe gaye ANDEY par shubaah karte ho aur suni sunayee baaton ko manvaane par jor daaltey ho to tum khud hee jaanch lo ki tum kitne thheek ho. Tumhain to pataa hi hai ki main ANDEY khanaa to door touch bhi nahi kartaa ,lekin maine itnaa ghee bhi nahe khaayaa ki tumhaari ek hi baat ke liye baar baar saari baaton ko dohraataa rahoon, main bhi bachchey paal rahaa hoon koi PIGS nahi ki jaise chaahey chhod doon aaur ek hee baat saabit karne main lagaa rahoon . Maslan aap bolain ki BAIL (ox) DOODH DETAA HAI aur main kahoon ki NAHI DETAA HAI ,aise main main tou kyaa koi bhi kuchh nahi kar saktaa. Faislaa padhne

wale khud hee kar lengey. Ab aap chaahey jitnaa marzi boliye ki meraa concept clear hai. Aapke us clear concept ka disscussion group main kyaa faydaa jo doosron ke aagey na clear ho sakey? At last If u feel satisfactory after not giving any enlightened view about LETAA ,KHADAA ,GANDAA ANDAA according ur studies of lalkitab. U can feel. I stated which i find & will be continued in future also at per disscussion's requirement.Shabba KhairPt.Lalkitabee , NKB <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Shukla Ji,> It is a sad state that a learned person like you trying to twist the> meanings of LalKitab diktats. From your mail, it seems, you even don't know,> that in which

context, Pandit Ji used the terms Khada, Leta and ganda Anda> and what does it mean. It is really misleading if you try to link it with> the Dayra of Budh.> Shukla Ji Aap anday ko To haath nahin LagaTay hongay, is liye aap ko is kaa> matlab maaloom nahin hoga. But,we used to play this game (Khada, Leta Anda)> in our childhood.> Regarding the Two Lines, it clarifies its meaning itself.> In my opinion, what i gather from my studies , the darust halat of Budh is> its true roundness without any kink or joint may it be in Bangle, Kada or> Ring.> You might be knowing that Mangal Bud permanent abode is between Chander & > Budh. If these two planets are not qayam & darust then we Mangal Bud will> try to come out to give bad results.> Shukla Ji,You have a vast experience in LalKitab Please clarify to all> What do you understand by darust Halat of Budh> We will be

obliged.> > Regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > On 6/16/07, lalkitabee < lalkitabee wrote:> >> > Respected Nirmal Ji> > Budh may be elliptical or non-elliptical .Budh is budh itself due to> > its roundness or ellipticity. The shape may be as sphere or as> > elliptical.It is not a measurement of DURUST or BEDURUST BUDH. It> > is a different chapter.Pandit ji used the word ANDAA (egg) for> > budh.He used usualy-- BUDH KA ANDAA, KHADAA ANDAA ,LETAA HUA> > ANDAA , GANDAA ANDAA .If elliptical shape is malefic budh ,Y pandit> > ji catagorised it.Pandit ji addressed budh as Andaa even where> > benefic budh also addressed KHADAA ANDAA by Pandit ji. & where it> > is malefic it has been called GANDAA ANDAA.U know egg has never a> > shape as sphere. So It is wrong that elliptical shape of budh is a> > sign

of malefic budh only.May be elliptical or sphere ,both r budh> > only,without any perception of malefic or benefic.> > At other side in perview of Mars u r> > saying "Budh Kayam aur darust ho to mangal bad ka bura asar na hoga"> > etc.. Yes it is true & written in Revered Lalkitab but Im unable to> > understand that wat do u mean here ? Wat r u accepting with those> > two lines ? Do u mean ," in the remedy (Silver Kadaa) for Mars> > 4th ,Mercury also shud be accepted in KADAA (endless round) with> > this remedy as DURUST MERCURY ? Plz clerify.After that all of us can> > go to conclusion.> > With regards> > Pt.Lalkitabee> > <%40>,> > NKB nirbhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > I have been reading

the discussions regularly. Due to very busy> > schedule at> > > my work place I don't take part actively in the discussions. but ,> > I could> > > not forbid my self as the discussion is going array with a small> > > misconception about budh.> > >> > > Just from the very first discussion,it was emphasized that Budh> > shall not be> > > got involved in the remedy for Mangal Bud. Before i proceed> > further, I> > > reproduce below , few transcription from the Holy Book which all> > of you must> > > have came through while studying:-> > >> > > 1. Mangal Bud ko buray asar se roknay wala Chander Dil Rekha Hai> > (मंगल बद को> > > बà¥à¤°à¥‡ असर की तरफ से रोकने> > वाला चंदर दिल रेखा

है> > > 2. 'Sir Rekha' Sahi Ho tou Mangal Bud Kaa asar bura naa Hoga, Agar> > Budh> > > Qayam aur Darust Ho to Mangal Bud Ka Asar Bura Naa Hoga.> > > ( सर रेखा सही हो तो मंगल बद> > का बà¥à¤°à¤¾ असर न होगा. अगर बà¥à¤§> > क़ायम �¤"र दरà¥à¤¸à¥à¤¤ हो तो> >> > > मंगल बद का असर बà¥à¤°à¤¾ न होग> > ा )> > >> > > Now What is the darust Halat of Budh?> > > Here are my views:> > > Is it the Round with a Break or Complete round.> > > If we take The definition of 'Bejod' as open ended ring or> > jointed/welded> > > then that will not represent darust or true Budh. Any kink or> > break in the> > > roundness will disturb Budh as well as all the

planets who always> > > revolve/walk on the path(Dayra) of Budh.> > > Coming to second Definition of 'Bejod' as being given by Repected> > Yograj> > > Prabhakar Ji , one piece ring with no joint or joint less> > represent true and> > > darust Budh.> > > Why?> > > because this true budh shape is owned by all the planets and> > represent there> > > darust halat.> > > Take an example of Eclipse> > > When Any planet is eclipsed, it shape, visually or (Sphere of> > energy), is> > > changed from True roundness to elliptical or we can say as non> > round. Which> > > mean the Budh has been disturbed there , resulting the bad result> > or no> > > result of that planet.> > > We must not jump to conclusion that Budh,(who is called in book at> >

many> > > place as Ullu Ka patha, Haram Zadi Laundiya else else, because of> > it bad> > > position in certain houses,) is Bad or never be a good planet.> > > It is Budh which helps Shukkar to be a Mother or father or a good> > spouse. It> > > is Budh who with Sun makes as Masnooyi Mangal Nek. and with> > Shukkar it make> > > Masnooyi Sooraj except with Mangal it make Shani Rahu Subhao.> > > Dear friends this book has the text/scripted in Urdu but> > dialact/Words of> > > this book is of Punjab origin. In Punjabi, Bejod means without> > any Joint.> > > 'Chhalla', Kada, Choodi, are called a round rings with or without> > joints.> > > When we call Bejod Chhalla, Kada, Choodi then it means that one> > piece round> > > shape.> > > Bejod Sariya Means Straight rod

without joint.> > > By Using Bejod Chandi Kaa Kada/CHoodi we Keep the Budh darust> > which keeps> > > the Moon as well as Mars to be on right path.> > >> > > Another term used in discussion is of steel, seamless steel pipes.> > or> > > steel/Silver pipes. Friends the reference here in the book is not> > for> > > steel(stainless, Mild Steel etc.) it is "faulad" or you can say as> > > wrought/Cast iron which normally do not get rusted.> > >> > > That is all about my opinion about this remedy.> > > Regards> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > >> > > On 6/14/07, Geeta Pahuja geetp56@ wrote:> > > >> > > > The holes in the nose or ears are also Budh. For malefic> > Jupiter we take> > > > the help of Jupiter's asya, for malefic Ketu,

Ketu kayam, for> > sun pray to> > > > sun, for Rahu malefic taking blessing of Rahu etc. In the same> > manner, main> > > > remedies for Mercury are done by keeping Mercury happy or with> > things> > > > related to mercury. Silver ring in nose is used to give the help> > of moon to> > > > budh. The remedy for malefic Budh is the piercing of the nose> > of Budh 8> > > > Person's daughter(budh) and putting silver ring in her nose not> > the stud.> > > > Round holes represent budh, jo body per kayam ho jata he. In> > the same> > > > manner the only yellow pumpkin which is ripen and empty from> > inside is budh> > > > and is offered to a temple. Silver ball which is hollow inside> > is also budh> > > > . Big utencils with lid and empty from

inside, kept in the house> > are budh.> > > > Dholak is hollow from inside and is budh. It is not necessary> > that Gol aakar> > > > hone se budh hota he. When we talk about ketu, it is black and> > white or two> > > > coloured dog or chitkabra dog. If the dog is of red colour it> > will be ketu> > > > but with the effect of budh. In the same way if the horse is of> > yellow> > > > colour then even though horse is chandra but it will carry the> > effects of> > > > jupiter. Therefore, remedy of steel challa is help of saturn> > to mercury.> > > >> > > >> > > > Budh is napunsak grah. it does not give its own results. It> > gives the> > > > results of the planet which sits with it or of the rashi in> > which it is> >

> > placed. When we do a hole in body we kayam budh on our body and> > with hole> > > > the surface of the skin also spreads or increases in the same> > manner as the> > > > person who uses more brain increases his intelligentia.> > > >> > > > geeta> > > >> > > >> > > > *varun_trvd varun_trvd@* wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Yograj ji,> > > >> > > > For each one of us, who is a student of Lal Kitab, Pandit ji is> > > > poojneeya, and anusarneeya. Assuming that he suggested a> > completely> > > > closed steel chaalla for budh in 12th then would you agree that> > > > Pandit ji wanted to establish budh and not Saturn?> > > >> > > > If so, don't you think we should try to find the logic

behind> > this?> > > >> > > > What Pt. Lalkitabee ji has done is to prove that the intention of> > > > Pandit ji was to establish Saturn in its purest form. In other> > words> > > > he took the help of Saturn to suppress budh because Saturn alone> > has> > > > all the three qualities of : being a friend of mercury, one who> > is> > > > not hostile to Jupiter and can also keep rahu in control.> > > >> > > > We are discussing the issue dispassionately and academically and> > > > none of us can ever dream of going contrary to what Pandit ji has> > > > said. For all of us he is the last word.> > > >> > > > But it is always better to understand the logic behind the upaya> > so> > > > that other upaya can be devised keeping

in mind the karaks and> > the> > > > principles of Lal Kitab.> > > >> > > > With regards and utmost respect,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Acharya Lalkitabee ji Maharaj,> > > > >> > > > > Ap Lal Kitab Jyotish Mein Ek Khas Reputation Rakhtey Hain, Jis> > Ke> > > > Aas-Paas Bhi Pahunch Paana Kum-Az-Kum Mujh Jaise Haqeer Insaan Ke> > > > Toh Bootey Ki Baat Nahi Hai. Main Badey Adab-O-khaloos Se Do> > Baatein> >

> > Kehne Ki Ijaazat Chahoonga.> > > > >> > > > > 1. Meharbani kar ke Zara Ghaur se Dekhiye ki is Nacheez ne kya> > arz> > > > kiya hai . Jisko Ap Kaano Ki Suni Farma Rahe hain, Wo Pundit Ji> > ke> > > > Mukharvind Se Nikla Huya Aadesh hai, Us Aadesh Ko Koyi Aur Beshaq> > > > Kisi Tarah Bhi Ley, Magar Mere Liye Woh Utimate Aur Absolute hai.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Mere Ajeez Dost, Ankhan Ki Dekhi Ko Maine Jis Sandarbh Mein> > > > Istehmaal Kiya hai Meharbaani Karke Ap Usko Usi Sandarbh Mein Hi> > > > Dekhein. Kyon Ki Agar Hum Muddey se Bahar Jakar Kori Laffazee Aur> > > > Filmi Dialogues Baazi Mein Ulajh Jayengey to Ye Poori Ki Poori> > > > Discussion Mehaz Zehnee-Ayyashi Ban Kar Reh Jayegi.> > > > >> > > > >> > >

> > Respectfully> > > > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > Respected Yograj ji> > > > > A scholar of lalkitab like u , who never goes beyond the single> > > > word of this revered book, even who was so careful to the use of> > > > MOOL LALKITAB that couldn't tolerated the use of words> > > > like "MASLAN" & "JAISE" (EVEN BOTH HAVE SAME MEANINGS.).Kisi ko> > yah> > > > achchha lagaa ya nahi lekin

mujhe aapkaa yah tarikaa bahut> > achchha> > > > lagaa tha.But a person who was so strict at this issue to use of> > > > ORIGINAL BOOK. Alas! today the same person is advicing me to> > > > believe "AAANKHAN DEKHI" only. In fact there is so much written> > > > prooves r available in KAGAD KI LEKHI.> > > > > If AANKHAN KI DEKHI WAS SO SUFFIECIENT ,THEN Y & FOR> > > > WHAT WE SHUD READ LALKITAB & for what purpose it was written ?> > The> > > > person who used the word as DALDA BOOK, for the use of other> > books> > > > based upon original book & appriciated the use of original book> > > > only , even prescribed to read URDU WRITTEN book only. Today he> > is> > > > saying to believe only AANKHAN DEKHI.> > > > > As u r saying me:- Tu kehta Kagad Ki

Lekhi> > > > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki> > > > Dekhi.> > > > > I want to recall u with humble words that :- 1.KAGAD KI LEKHI> > > > IS MOST RELIABLE> > > > >> > > > 2.ANKHAN KI DEKHI IS MORE RELIABLE> > > > >> > > > 3.KAANO KI SUNI IS LESS RELIABLE> > > > > And u r confessing urself in ur mail that u r saying KAANO KI> > > > SUNI, not aankhan ki dekhi.(U can re-read ur mail for> > confirmation)> > > > > As well as my colorful artical," U can see all colors were used> > > > to provide a grasp to the subject, for a reader. Specially for> > them> > > > who use quotes from lalkitab. And other side i want to say that i> > > > didnt saw Pujya Pandit Ji, but i see his image 1st of all, which> > is> > >

> available at www.originallalkitab.com ,bfor making a write-> > > > up .After this I read & use only KAGAD KI LEKHI" by Pujya Pandit> > > > Ji ,as per my capability & understanding.AB AAP HEE KAHO KI MAIN> > > > KAANO KI SUNI PAR BHAROSAA KAROON YA PANDIT JI KE DWARA KHUD> > LIKHI> > > > HUYEE KITAB PAR BHAROSAA KAROON.> > > > > Only Lalkitab is a live statue of Pujya Pandit Ji for> > > > me, no any other way. If there is any other way, nesseccery to> > > > confirm from lalkitab or according to the rules of lalkitab bfor> > > > acceptance.> > > > > With Regards> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > <%40>> > <%> >

40>,> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vipin Shukla Ji,> > > > > > It is yet another very impressive and colorful description> > > > indeed Vipin Bhai. Why a Bejod Chhalla is recommended, what is> > the> > > > logic behind this remedy, how it works and how many planets are> > > > involved in the whole process is a separate issue. But I> > disagree to> > > > agree with your perception regarding the> > description/specification> > > > of a Bejod Chhalla. In my humble opinion it should be (rather> > must> > > > be) nothing but a totally seamless one, no matter whether it is> > > > prepared by cutting, molding or any other method.> > >

> > >> > > > > > Believe me, my conviction is not baseless. I know many people> > > > whom Pundit ji recommended the rings in question and strictly> > > > advised them to procure the seamless ones only. Therefore, for me> > > > Pundit jis diktat is absolute and conclusive since I am a more> > > > practical guy rather than a theoretical one. I am quoting the> > > > following lines of Sant Kabir ji to clarify my stance (certainty> > not> > > > intended to offend a good friend like you):> > > > > >> > > > > > Tu kehta Kagad Ki Lekhi> > > > > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki Dekhi.> > > > > >> > > > > > Finally, one humble request to you, kindly use single color> > and> > > > font in your writings. Ornate presentations

somehow diminish the> > > > very spirit of your otherwise brilliant script.> > > > > >> > > > > > Respectfully> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > > Respected Yograj ji, KiranJit Ji & Geeta ji,> > > > > > I was reading views written by all of u about BEJOD CHHALLA.> > I> > > > have some opinion of mine & i want to share here.All of u r> > prooving> > > > the meaning of BEJOD Challa. As wel as i can say the word has> > been> > > > used for budh ,specially for khana no.12 budh.> > > > > > Bfor continue next i want to say

," Yes,every round thing is> > not> > > > necessarily a representative of budh.But in perview of remedy of> > > > lalkitab it will be counted of budh 1st of all , after that we> > have> > > > to see its metal etc for sub-planetry object.> > > > > > Again im coming to the point .Here is the question:-> > > > > > 1. Y Budh is remediable in 12th ?> > > > > > 2. If it is remediable , what modus operandi will be useful ?> > > > > > 3. Y Pujya Pandit ji said Iron made BEJOD FAULAD KA CHALLA ?> > > > > > (a).Is there was a motive to establish BUDH?> > > > > > (b)Is there was a motive to establish SATURN ?> > > > > > Ans No. 1:- In the very bigining of lalkitab has been> > written ---> > > > YAHEE CHAKKAR MAIN DAALE RAKHNE KI DUSHMANI

BARHASPAT (jup.) SE> > > > BUDH KO HOGI. (Here is clear that budh is enemy of Jupiter & in> > > > khana no 12 it is NEECh, as well as there is partnership of Neech> > > > Rahu in khana no12th so with the role of his friend rahu ,the> > Budh> > > > reveals itself to fulfil its rival nature to Jupiter,Now Neech> > budh> > > > wants to eatablish the empire of neech rahu.Bcoz if we see> > masnuyee> > > > of Budh (Guru+ Rahu) ,the we can analyze the Role of Rahu in> > 12th.> > > > In fact it spreads its mean or evil activities, so it is> > remediable> > > > Rahu to bura hogaa hee chahey asal rahu khana 6 main hee kyon na> > > > baithaa ho aise main mandey rahu ka bhi upay budh ke upay se> > pehley> > > > kar denaa shayad hi koyee faydaa pahunchaa

sakey> > > > > >> > > > > > Ans.2. Now wat to do? Clearly written in lalkitab for budh of> > > > khana no.12 :-> > > > > > 4 CHHATHEY (6th) 9 ,12 MAAREY, 3 DOOJAA NAHI BACHTAA HO> > > > > > GURU RAAHU KHUD JAD SE KATtEY, SUKHIYAA RAANI NA RAJA HO> > > > > > SHANI RAVI KOYEE 12 BAITHEY ASAR JEHAR NA UN PAR HO.> > > > > > SAATH SAATHI GRAH SHATRU HOTE JEHAR SHANI MAIN BHARTAA HO> > > > > > Now Pujya Pandit ji used to establish Saturn at budh & > > himself> > > > said shani & Ravi will reduce the poison of Budh.In this perview> > > > Pandit ji suggested BEJOD FAULAD KA CHHALLA (jise jod ya taankaa> > na> > > > lagaa ho, means open ended)> > > > > > The conflict is here to know about wat is BEJOD. I saw

many> > > > opinions at this. I want to say that Pandit ji could use the> > word ---> > > > dhalaayee main dhaal kar banyaa huyaa ya dhalaa hua . It was not> > a> > > > rare word at that time.Plz read my observations with the lalkitab> > > > verdicts.> > > > > > Ans no.3 a :- At other side clearly said --- JOD YA TAANKAA> > NA> > > > LAGAA HO. ( It means jod or welding will include Rahu with budh> > & it> > > > will give bad effects.) As wel as, about one peace without joint> > or> > > > moulded ring , it will be Budh's impact at shani. Here is no> > lozic> > > > to mix budh & shani or establishing Budh> > > > > > .Ans No.3b :- Here clear lozic is to establish a planet which> > > > may be respectful to guru & may be

the friend of budh. Both these> > > > attributes are in Saturn only. (That is why, Pujya Pandit Ji did> > not> > > > told to wear a BEJOD-ring of silver or copper) At other side it> > can> > > > control hidden bad activities of rahu supporting Budh. So BEJOD> > > > (Open ended)RING AT LAST FINGER (Which is directly concerned with> > > > budh ) is a remedy. Otherwise wearing Budh for malefic Budh ,how> > > > much proper ,all of u can analyze. Even Respected Pandit ji> > written--> > > > KHAALIS FAULAD JISE JANG (Rust = Rahu) NA LAGNE> > PAAYE…………JIS KADAR> > > > JYADAA CHAMAKDAAR SAAF SUTHRAA HOGAA USI KADAR LAMP MAIN SAAF> > > > CHIMNEY YA BIJLI KEE LEHAR KE LIYE BALB KA KAAM DEGA AUR BHAGYA> > KI> > > > SOYEE HUYEE LEHAR KO FAURAN JAGAA DEGAA .Wat a similey

used by> > > > Pandit ji �€"Evil Electric waves of Rahu- part of Budh can be> > modified> > > > as a light of lamp of good luck. So much equal to the power & > > use of> > > > electricity in modern age. It means pure Saturn ,even> > > > > > which would not be covered by Rahu (Rust), then how it can be> > > > used it in the shape of Budh. All of all, only Saturn's> > > > establishment at Budh is motive there & it is clearly written in> > > > lalkitab.> > > > > > With readings of this revered book, In my opinion--Making> > Ring> > > > completely rounded will disturb the remedy ,even it may be TAANKE> > > > WAALI or MOULDED. Making it jointless with two ends is a> > > > establishment of saturn with a path for Jupiter into budh under> >

the> > > > supervision of Saturn.(Ya aise bola jaye ki budh ke daayre main> > > > brihaspati ki havaa ka raastaa denaa hoga. Isee vazah se hee> > Budh 12> > > > ke liye kesar ka TILAK bhi kahaa gayaa hai taaki budh ka masnuyee> > > > walaa guru ka hissa(Part) theek ho jaye use POWER miley aur Pujya> > > > Pandit ji ne to yah bhi likhaa hai ki RAAKH (Budh) KA TILAK PITA> > > > (Guru) PAR BHAAREE HOGAA. Means establishment of BUDH by TILAK of> > > > RAAKH will create distruction at all.So it is very clear that> > > > eastablishment of budh has been totally denied & once Budh is> > denied> > > > totally,how it is possible to accept as a remedial tool again,> > It is> > > > the reason that endless ring also will be denied .Or we can say> > > > Saturn is as a medium or

middle-man> > > > > > there only.> > > > > >> > > > > > With regards> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > <%40>> > <%> > 40>,> > > > Yograj Prabhakar> > > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Dr. Kiranjit Sahib,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So many techniques are discussed for making Joint Less> > Steel> > > > Rings, Like the Dhalayi Wala method as mentioned by you, and by> > > > cutting a pipe suggested earlier by some other colleague.> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > As far as the Dhalayi Wala method is concerned, it is> > > > perfectly alright. But there is a problem in Pipe cutting method,> > > > most of the pipes have joint, whereas we require a seamless pipe> > for> > > > this purpose, and seamless pipes are not easily available and are> > > > much more costlier than the normal ones. Moreover pipes have a> > fixed> > > > inner dia like 12mm, 19mm, 25mm and so on, so making a ring by> > > > cutting pipe (even the seamless one) is not a wise idea.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The best way is to prepare the Joint less ring is by> > drilling> > > > a steel rod as per the finger thickness, this can be done on a> > lathe> > > > machine by a machine man quite easily, all you

need is to find a> > > > willing machine man.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Finally, you have said that every round thing is not> > > > necessarily a representative of Budh, can you elaborate this> > point> > > > for a student like me?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With regards> > > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:> > > > > > > dear Friends,> > > > > > > There is no doubt that "bejod' stands for without a joint> > > > or 'tanka'(goldsmith's language) i.e. the silver bangle has to be> > > > made by a workman who makes it by DHALAI. These workmen r now> > > >

difficult to find with the result that the practiotioners of lk> > > > started talking of pipes etc.> > > > > > > the same is for steel ring for budh 12. where ever the word> > > > is "bejod" it is dhalai wala i.e. pouring the molten metal into a> > > > sancha. As mentioned earlier also, every round thing is not> > > > necessarily a representative of budh.> > > > > > > wih best wishes;> > > > > > > sincerely,> > > > > > > kiranjeet> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time> > > > > > > with the Search movie showtime shortcut.> > > > > > >> > >

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