Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Dear Gurujans, Kya Pt. ji Phalit main Vimshotri dasa ka upyog karte the? Did Pt. Ji take help of Vimshotri in pridictive part ? Thanks Umesh Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 yes i have seen vimshottri dasha used by pt ji in an anlaysis done by pt ji in his own handwriting. wonder if geeta ji or her father also have some such kind of proof. kulbir bains , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > Dear Gurujans, > Kya Pt. ji Phalit main Vimshotri dasa ka upyog karte the? > Did Pt. Ji take help of Vimshotri in pridictive part ? > Thanks > Umesh Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Respected Umesh Sharma ji, It is a matter of great honor for the group to have you participate here. I have not come across any reference to Vinshottari dasha being talked about in any of the example kundalis given in the books. Yes, the 1952 Lal Kitab in the grammar portion talks about the Vinshottari Dasha system at quite a few places. Therefore it would be safe to assume that Pandit ji recognized the Vinshottari dasha as an astrological tool. Therefore it could also be assumed that once he recognized the VD system as a valid tool, he might have used it in some contexts which we are not aware of. With great respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > Dear Gurujans, > Kya Pt. ji Phalit main Vimshotri dasa ka upyog karte the? > Did Pt. Ji take help of Vimshotri in pridictive part ? > Thanks > Umesh Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 varun bhai; u are very right in ur assumptions, pandit ji analyzed umesh sharma ji's sister in law in his trademark red ink. the analysis has pitri rin upaya of feeding of fish and also calculations based on vimshotri dasha. i would request umesh ji, if he has no reservations, he should scan and put it on group files. kulbir bains , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Umesh Sharma ji, > > It is a matter of great honor for the group to have you participate > here. > > I have not come across any reference to Vinshottari dasha being > talked about in any of the example kundalis given in the books. > > Yes, the 1952 Lal Kitab in the grammar portion talks about the > Vinshottari Dasha system at quite a few places. Therefore it would > be safe to assume that Pandit ji recognized the Vinshottari dasha as > an astrological tool. > > Therefore it could also be assumed that once he recognized the VD > system as a valid tool, he might have used it in some contexts which > we are not aware of. > > With great respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > , " Umesh Sharma " > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > Kya Pt. ji Phalit main Vimshotri dasa ka upyog karte the? > > Did Pt. Ji take help of Vimshotri in pridictive part ? > > Thanks > > Umesh Sharma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Dear Kulbeer ji,As your request i upload a photograph of a Page in which Pt. ji used Vimshotri mahadasa system in Photo Section. One another thing in this page Pt. ji used a word "By Charity". Thanks Regards Umesh Sharma , "kulbirbains" <kulbirbains wrote:>> varun bhai; u are very right in ur assumptions, pandit ji analyzed > umesh sharma ji's sister in law in his trademark red ink.> the analysis has pitri rin upaya of feeding of fish and also > calculations based on vimshotri dasha. i would request umesh ji, if > he has no reservations, he should scan and put it on group files.> kulbir bains> > , "varun_trvd" > varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Respected Umesh Sharma ji,> > > > It is a matter of great honor for the group to have you > participate > > here. > > > > I have not come across any reference to Vinshottari dasha being > > talked about in any of the example kundalis given in the books. > > > > Yes, the 1952 Lal Kitab in the grammar portion talks about the > > Vinshottari Dasha system at quite a few places. Therefore it would > > be safe to assume that Pandit ji recognized the Vinshottari dasha > as > > an astrological tool.> > > > Therefore it could also be assumed that once he recognized the VD > > system as a valid tool, he might have used it in some contexts > which > > we are not aware of.> > > > With great respect and regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Umesh Sharma" > > <mudit982001@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gurujans,> > > Kya Pt. ji Phalit main Vimshotri dasa ka upyog karte the?> > > Did Pt. Ji take help of Vimshotri in pridictive part ?> > > Thanks> > > Umesh Sharma> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Dear Kulbeer, As per your request i upload a Photograph of a page in which pt. ji used vimshotri dasa as a predictive tool in photo section. One more thing you can also see Pt. ji Used " Charity " word in special case. Thanks Regards Umesh Sharma , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > varun bhai; u are very right in ur assumptions, pandit ji analyzed > umesh sharma ji's sister in law in his trademark red ink. > the analysis has pitri rin upaya of feeding of fish and also > calculations based on vimshotri dasha. i would request umesh ji, if > he has no reservations, he should scan and put it on group files. > kulbir bains > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Umesh Sharma ji, > > > > It is a matter of great honor for the group to have you > participate > > here. > > > > I have not come across any reference to Vinshottari dasha being > > talked about in any of the example kundalis given in the books. > > > > Yes, the 1952 Lal Kitab in the grammar portion talks about the > > Vinshottari Dasha system at quite a few places. Therefore it would > > be safe to assume that Pandit ji recognized the Vinshottari dasha > as > > an astrological tool. > > > > Therefore it could also be assumed that once he recognized the VD > > system as a valid tool, he might have used it in some contexts > which > > we are not aware of. > > > > With great respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > Kya Pt. ji Phalit main Vimshotri dasa ka upyog karte the? > > > Did Pt. Ji take help of Vimshotri in pridictive part ? > > > Thanks > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 guruji, shukriya kahne ke liye shabd nahin hain. you have made it possible for many people to have a look at the great man's handwritting. by the way i think this also proves pt ji. was a well read man and had a considerable command over english language. thanks from the core of my heart. kulbir bains. , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > Dear Kulbeer, > As per your request i upload a Photograph of a page in which pt. ji > used vimshotri dasa as a predictive tool in photo section. One more > thing you can also see Pt. ji Used " Charity " word in special case. > Thanks > Regards > Umesh Sharma > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > varun bhai; u are very right in ur assumptions, pandit ji analyzed > > umesh sharma ji's sister in law in his trademark red ink. > > the analysis has pitri rin upaya of feeding of fish and also > > calculations based on vimshotri dasha. i would request umesh ji, if > > he has no reservations, he should scan and put it on group files. > > kulbir bains > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Umesh Sharma ji, > > > > > > It is a matter of great honor for the group to have you > > participate > > > here. > > > > > > I have not come across any reference to Vinshottari dasha being > > > talked about in any of the example kundalis given in the books. > > > > > > Yes, the 1952 Lal Kitab in the grammar portion talks about the > > > Vinshottari Dasha system at quite a few places. Therefore it > would > > > be safe to assume that Pandit ji recognized the Vinshottari dasha > > as > > > an astrological tool. > > > > > > Therefore it could also be assumed that once he recognized the VD > > > system as a valid tool, he might have used it in some contexts > > which > > > we are not aware of. > > > > > > With great respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujans, > > > > Kya Pt. ji Phalit main Vimshotri dasa ka upyog karte the? > > > > Did Pt. Ji take help of Vimshotri in pridictive part ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 respected umesh ji, Lal kalam se lal ink mein BR Gupta ji ke liye likha gaya hai ,yeh respected pundit ji us waqt likhte the jab woh "siddhi'se kissi kaa kaam karwaate the. By charity,By good of charity bhi usi waqt likhte the; later on he started writing e.g. to be promoted by charity in good sense. neeche jo dates likhi huin hain woh br gupta ji ke departmental case related ho sakti hain kyon ki likha hai ki 'on or before '. wih regards, sincerely, kianjeet Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Respected Umesh ji, Just a guess, A short note “ by a load of charity†could probably be an acknowledgement of all that Shri B R Gupta did for Pandit ji, things like gifting him pens etc. Regards, Chandra Prakash , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > respected umesh ji, > Lal kalam se lal ink mein BR Gupta ji ke liye likha gaya hai ,yeh respected pundit ji us waqt likhte the jab woh " siddhi'se kissi kaa kaam karwaate the. By charity,By good of charity bhi usi waqt likhte the; later on he started writing e.g. to be promoted by charity in good sense. > neeche jo dates likhi huin hain woh br gupta ji ke departmental case related ho sakti hain kyon ki likha hai ki 'on or before '. > wih regards, > sincerely, > kianjeet > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 chandra prakash ji; i think it was not what gupta sahib did for pandit ji but whenever pt ji analysed a tewa in red ink he wrote some upayas and predictions. when that got fructified, pt.ji cut his lines and asked the for a sum that the native was to use for charity that pt ji. recommended . whenever doubtful ptji. took that amount and himself spent upon charity. the pens were only a token of respect and affection of freindship and a special bonding between them. kulbir bains. , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Respected Umesh ji, > > Just a guess, > > A short note “ by a load of charity†could probably be an > acknowledgement of all that Shri B R Gupta did for Pandit ji, > things like gifting him pens etc. > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > , kiranjit kumar > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > respected umesh ji, > > Lal kalam se lal ink mein BR Gupta ji ke liye likha gaya > hai ,yeh respected pundit ji us waqt likhte the jab woh " siddhi'se > kissi kaa kaam karwaate the. By charity,By good of charity bhi usi > waqt likhte the; later on he started writing e.g. to be promoted by > charity in good sense. > > neeche jo dates likhi huin hain woh br gupta ji ke departmental > case related ho sakti hain kyon ki likha hai ki 'on or before '. > > wih regards, > > sincerely, > > kianjeet > > > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's > user panel and lay it on us. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 dear kulbir ji, there r two different things on the page posted by respected umesh ji: one is varsha phal kundlis and the remedies thereof-remedies which have been transliterated ably by prabhakar ji. second is the complete address of BR Gupta ji.It is this address which has been encircled by respected pundit ji and in this very circle only the words 'charity' and the 'dates' appear by or before which the work of mr . gupta was to be got done-one is to provide him protection and the other is for mr. gupta's promotion. This is what respected pundit ji did with his 'sidhi'--he would ask the complete address to be written(he would stress it again and again with the example that if the postman was to deliver a letter at this address, he should be able to do so easily) and then respected pundit ji would encicle it with red ink with his pen;write the purpose e.g. promotion and then by charity in good sense.Earlier he used to write only by charity;but then someone got promoted to RBI governor and his only son died after he was promoted. Thereafter; he started adding the words'in good sense' so that no harm is done to the person whose help was done by pundit ji with his 'sidhi'. 'By charity', he did not ask the person to give something himself to charity. Instead, pundit ji would ask the person to hand him over 10% of the financial gains after the work was done by his 'sidhi'.In those times, the amount would be quite meagre as the pay scales were not very high. I do not know for what purpose the money was used by pundit ji--but it can be safely asumed that it was used for the appeasement of 'sidhi'. Pundit ji never accepted any gratifications; the pens ,if gifted to him,must have been from very very close associates or friends.Since he had served in AG office ,Simla; he had quite wide circle of friends.Even from persons whose work was done bu him through his powers, he never charged or asked for any money except for the charity which he would tell at the time of writing with red ink. i hope this clarifies about charity and pundit ji's power of 'sidhi'. I have quoted all this from by first hand experience with respected pundit ji in the year 1979. With best wishes; sincerely, kiranjeet Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Dr. kiranjeet ji; this rare piece of information is invaluable. aane wale samay me iski importance ka to koi andaza bhi nahin laga sakta. please share other experiences also. i am sure u have plenty of them. kulbir bians , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > dear kulbir ji, > there r two different things on the page posted by respected umesh ji: > one is varsha phal kundlis and the remedies thereof-remedies which have been transliterated ably by prabhakar ji. > second is the complete address of BR Gupta ji.It is this address which has been encircled by respected pundit ji and in this very circle only the words 'charity' and the 'dates' appear by or before which the work of mr . gupta was to be got done-one is to provide him protection and the other is for mr. gupta's promotion. This is what respected pundit ji did with his 'sidhi'--he would ask the complete address to be written(he would stress it again and again with the example that if the postman was to deliver a letter at this address, he should be able to do so easily) and then respected pundit ji would encicle it with red ink with his pen;write the purpose e.g. promotion and then by charity in good sense.Earlier he used to write only by charity;but then someone got promoted to RBI governor and his only son died after he was promoted. Thereafter; he started adding the words'in good sense' so that no harm is done to the person whose help was done by pundit ji with his > 'sidhi'. > 'By charity', he did not ask the person to give something himself to charity. Instead, pundit ji would ask the person to hand him over 10% of the financial gains after the work was done by his 'sidhi'.In those times, the amount would be quite meagre as the pay scales were not very high. I do not know for what purpose the money was used by pundit ji--but it can be safely asumed that it was used for the appeasement of 'sidhi'. > Pundit ji never accepted any gratifications; the pens ,if gifted to him,must have been from very very close associates or friends.Since he had served in AG office ,Simla; he had quite wide circle of friends.Even from persons whose work was done bu him through his powers, he never charged or asked for any money except for the charity which he would tell at the time of writing with red ink. > i hope this clarifies about charity and pundit ji's power of 'sidhi'. I have quoted all this from by first hand experience with respected pundit ji in the year 1979. > With best wishes; > sincerely, > kiranjeet > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, Please for God’s sake let us not weave another myth around the Lal Kitab. Such myths have already done a great damage to the cause of the Lal Kitab. It is because of these baseless myths LK is considered more a book of Totka-Tona than a serious treatise on astrology. If I believe this myth then I will also have to believe that the upaya are all irrelevant. I will also have to believe that what ever pandit ji achieved in alleviating the misery of the common man was not through the upaya suggested by him but through the help of these spirits who delivered redemption at the door steps of the person like a postman. Logically it would mean that upaya suggested by those, who do not have any of these spirits at their command, would be futile. We all know that Pandit ji was a siddh purush. He was a siddh purush not because he had some ghosts or spirits at his command, but because he was a well meaning person who wanted the well being of every one without asking any thing for him in return. He was a simple saintly man. I would, therefore, request members to be careful about what they say because these things have a far reaching impact and make LK a laughing stock amongst the astrology community. With regards, Varun Trivedi , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > dear kulbir ji, > there r two different things on the page posted by respected umesh ji: > one is varsha phal kundlis and the remedies thereof-remedies which have been transliterated ably by prabhakar ji. > second is the complete address of BR Gupta ji.It is this address which has been encircled by respected pundit ji and in this very circle only the words 'charity' and the 'dates' appear by or before which the work of mr . gupta was to be got done-one is to provide him protection and the other is for mr. gupta's promotion. This is what respected pundit ji did with his 'sidhi'--he would ask the complete address to be written(he would stress it again and again with the example that if the postman was to deliver a letter at this address, he should be able to do so easily) and then respected pundit ji would encicle it with red ink with his pen;write the purpose e.g. promotion and then by charity in good sense.Earlier he used to write only by charity;but then someone got promoted to RBI governor and his only son died after he was promoted. Thereafter; he started adding the words'in good sense' so that no harm is done to the person whose help was done by pundit ji with his > 'sidhi'. > 'By charity', he did not ask the person to give something himself to charity. Instead, pundit ji would ask the person to hand him over 10% of the financial gains after the work was done by his 'sidhi'.In those times, the amount would be quite meagre as the pay scales were not very high. I do not know for what purpose the money was used by pundit ji--but it can be safely asumed that it was used for the appeasement of 'sidhi'. > Pundit ji never accepted any gratifications; the pens ,if gifted to him,must have been from very very close associates or friends.Since he had served in AG office ,Simla; he had quite wide circle of friends.Even from persons whose work was done bu him through his powers, he never charged or asked for any money except for the charity which he would tell at the time of writing with red ink. > i hope this clarifies about charity and pundit ji's power of 'sidhi'. I have quoted all this from by first hand experience with respected pundit ji in the year 1979. > With best wishes; > sincerely, > kiranjeet > > > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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