Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 My father was never practising this book, he was using his talent only for the wellbeing of mankind. He was a deep thinker and studied deeply this book because PunditJi asked him to do so. You are talking about some international referee. Being a referee doesn't make him a talented person in other fields as well. It is you who are boasting not me. Please don't you lie. I am presenting the truth and you are not able to digest it. Lal kitab was written with gold nib and special pens and I can proudly say that my father was among those who were writting while Punditji were dictating. When the book was finished all the pens which were used were thrown into the river.Hope you will not disturb my mind again.geetakulbirbains <kulbirbains wrote: geeta ji for ur kind information, shri umesh sharma ji's father in law was international hockey refree and he used various pens for pandit ji as gifts from abroad and pandit ji used these pens in analysis and in fact writting one of these books also. he was also a keen lalkitab enthusiast and was instrumental in translating these books for umesh sharma. i know this family personally but his father in law never boasted of such an absurd thing like HIS CONSENT FOR READING OR PRACTISISNG. if u don't believe my words u can surely crosscheck the facts with pt. ji's family. u have every right to say what is ur personal opinion but PLEASE BE CAREFUL IN PUTTING WORDS INTO PT.JI'S MOUTH. it is hard to tolerate. kulbir bains > ; , Geeta Pahuja > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > My dear Mr Varun > > > > How can you even imagine that Punditji was merely an astologer for > our family, please don't you even think about this. My father has > given his whole life to this book and he had spend all his years > of life with Punditji and Lal Kitab when he could have spend for > himself. In his short life he looked after the well being of so > many people. When I read Lal Kitab I can feel the soul of Pundit > ji . Pundit ji was never an astrologer for our family he was a man > who was given a special task and power. Pundit Ji gave my father his > consent to study the Lal Kitab which he obeyed and thousands of > people were blessed by my father and my father never expected and > never thought even in his dreams, of any monetry gain or fame in > return, which is expected by each and every astrologer in today's > time. First and the last thing Pundit Ji taught us was not to take > anything in return specially fame and I have seen every astrologer > in these different groups are justifying and trying > > to impose things, may be to show themselves that they are big > scholars and more intelligent then others. Lal kitab is not our > Vedic astrology where our religious pundits perform something for > us. Religious pundits are defined and recognised by their fields > where they earn their living for keeping our culture, sanskar, and > our relations alive by connecting us to our ancestors. You all are > studying Lal Kitab but using it in your own way and telling me I > am saying hearsay stories. I don't care what you say and what you > believe or what you don't believe. Every body has their own belief . > I am not in this business and I know to whom should I clarify. > You are getting some information from Internet or from somewhere > and want to impose on us, and we who are living and practically > experiencing it for 47 years you call them hearsay stories. What a > nice and honest logic you are giving. I have read full Lal Kitab in > urdu more than 20 times, you may say again that I am > > saying hearsay stories. I would like to know if anybody in your > group has read Lal Kitab in Urdu even once with full understandsing > and heart.I know what I know I don't have to prove it to any group. > > > > geeta > > > > > > ho.in> wrote: Respected Geeta > didi ji, > > > > Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the truth. > > The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you think > it > > is unrelaible, I can't help. > > > > I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I am > afraid > > I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. > > > > I will accept any thing and every thing which is either logical > or > > is recorded by Pandit ji himself. > > > > For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an astrologer. > But > > I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance because > he > > is my 'manas Guru'. > > > > I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt you. > I > > need your blessings. Keep me blessed. > > > > With regards and affection, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , Geeta Pahuja > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband used > do > > paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are > giving > > information which is completely wrong and only read from some > books. > > Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to copper > > coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with > magnet.Hundreds > > of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure > copper > > and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment > because > > my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little > problem > > in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have used > do > > paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot give > > logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit ji > > always told the remedies which were very easy to be performed > even > > by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so many > poor > > people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or goldsmith to > > attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > > > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other good > > things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with his > red > > pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I have > > experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include my > > childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true sense of > > Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu from > > Delhi university. > > > > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > wrote: Respected Geeta Didi & > > Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he > > gave > > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury > > 11th > > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. > > Therefore > > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya > without > > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting > under > > an > > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific > temper is > > all > > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it > nor > > it > > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is > > based > > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : > every > > body > > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept > as > > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective > > exercise. > > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is > proved > > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific > logic > > of > > > deduction or inference. > > > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known > as “ > > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin > known > > as " > > > dubbal" is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is > almost > > an > > > inch wide. > > > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin > > with a > > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted > were > > all > > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a > hole. > > > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a > > few > > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without > a > > hole. > > > Please remember that the context and the only latest source > book > > we > > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic > > record > > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been > > quite > > > commonly available. > > > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars > wouldn’t know > > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop > Lal > > as > > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , "kapatjal" > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting > your > > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before > your > > > > first post was put on board. > > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' > and "dhalai > > wala > > > > ring or bangle" which should be used for remedial purposes. > > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing > under > > > the > > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the > > soul.In > > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to > help > > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > > bangle,hook > > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. > > were > > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals > somewhere > > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what > is > > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not > only > > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the > > photo > > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > > > meetings > > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not > > know > > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk > > whenver > > > i > > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > > > durbars > > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and > > visited > > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even > would > > > have > > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > > > heartening > > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know > and > > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in > > this > > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > > > mankind > > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > > With best wishes, > > > > sincerey, > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > In , "varun_trvd" > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does > not > > have > > > a > > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " > budh > > ka > > > > > dayara", therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + > > budh. > > > > > > > > > > The word "dayara" denotes an area closed all around; the > hole > > in > > > > the > > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " > > budh > > > ka > > > > > dayara". > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this > > upaya > > > it > > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established > to > > > > nullify > > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu > > coin.now > > > Cu > > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > > > > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. > Know > > how! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Know > how! > > > Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 geeta ji; my strongest objection. just read the endlines of the book just once. IT IS WRITTEN IN AASHIRWAD THAT THE KATIB WAS PANDIT AATMA RAM SHARMA OF KANGRA prabhakr ji would tell u his village also; don't know if he was ur father. it is true that pens had gold nibs and they were brought by the person i named. why don't u crosscheck it with family of umesh sharma or pt. roop chand joshi. and it was not a single book but 5 books written over a considerable span of period. what have u attained by reading books 20 times if ur mind gets troubled over such trival issues. please do some upaya for ur chandra or rahu. kulbir bains. , Geeta Pahuja <geetp56 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir, > > My father was never practising this book, he was using his talent only for the wellbeing of mankind. He was a deep thinker and studied deeply this book because PunditJi asked him to do so. You are talking about some international referee. Being a referee doesn't make him a talented person in other fields as well. It is you who are boasting not me. Please don't you lie. I am presenting the truth and you are not able to digest it. Lal kitab was written with gold nib and special pens and I can proudly say that my father was among those who were writting while Punditji were dictating. When the book was finished all the pens which were used were thrown into the river.Hope you will not disturb my mind again. > > geeta > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains wrote: geeta ji for ur kind information, shri umesh sharma ji's father in > law was international hockey refree and he used various pens for > pandit ji as gifts from abroad and pandit ji used these pens in > analysis and in fact writting one of these books also. he was also a > keen lalkitab enthusiast and was instrumental in translating these > books for umesh sharma. i know this family personally but his father > in law never boasted of such an absurd thing like HIS CONSENT FOR > READING OR PRACTISISNG. if u don't believe my words u can surely > crosscheck the facts with pt. ji's family. > u have every right to say what is ur personal opinion but PLEASE BE > CAREFUL IN PUTTING WORDS INTO PT.JI'S MOUTH. it is hard to tolerate. > kulbir bains > > > ; , Geeta Pahuja > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > My dear Mr Varun > > > > > > How can you even imagine that Punditji was merely an astologer > for > > our family, please don't you even think about this. My father > has > > given his whole life to this book and he had spend all his > years > > of life with Punditji and Lal Kitab when he could have spend for > > himself. In his short life he looked after the well being of so > > many people. When I read Lal Kitab I can feel the soul of Pundit > > ji . Pundit ji was never an astrologer for our family he was a man > > who was given a special task and power. Pundit Ji gave my father > his > > consent to study the Lal Kitab which he obeyed and thousands of > > people were blessed by my father and my father never expected and > > never thought even in his dreams, of any monetry gain or fame in > > return, which is expected by each and every astrologer in today's > > time. First and the last thing Pundit Ji taught us was not to take > > anything in return specially fame and I have seen every > astrologer > > in these different groups are justifying and trying > > > to impose things, may be to show themselves that they are big > > scholars and more intelligent then others. Lal kitab is not our > > Vedic astrology where our religious pundits perform something for > > us. Religious pundits are defined and recognised by their fields > > where they earn their living for keeping our culture, sanskar, and > > our relations alive by connecting us to our ancestors. You all > are > > studying Lal Kitab but using it in your own way and telling me I > > am saying hearsay stories. I don't care what you say and what you > > believe or what you don't believe. Every body has their own > belief . > > I am not in this business and I know to whom should I clarify. > > You are getting some information from Internet or from somewhere > > and want to impose on us, and we who are living and practically > > experiencing it for 47 years you call them hearsay stories. What > a > > nice and honest logic you are giving. I have read full Lal Kitab > in > > urdu more than 20 times, you may say again that I am > > > saying hearsay stories. I would like to know if anybody in > your > > group has read Lal Kitab in Urdu even once with full > understandsing > > and heart.I know what I know I don't have to prove it to any > group. > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > ho.in> wrote: Respected Geeta > > didi ji, > > > > > > Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the > truth. > > > The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you > think > > it > > > is unrelaible, I can't help. > > > > > > I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I am > > afraid > > > I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. > > > > > > I will accept any thing and every thing which is either logical > > or > > > is recorded by Pandit ji himself. > > > > > > For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an > astrologer. > > But > > > I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance because > > he > > > is my 'manas Guru'. > > > > > > I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt > you. > > I > > > need your blessings. Keep me blessed. > > > > > > With regards and affection, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , Geeta Pahuja > > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband > used > > do > > > paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are > > giving > > > information which is completely wrong and only read from some > > books. > > > Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to > copper > > > coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with > > magnet.Hundreds > > > of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure > > copper > > > and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment > > because > > > my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little > > problem > > > in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have used > > do > > > paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot give > > > logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit ji > > > always told the remedies which were very easy to be performed > > even > > > by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so many > > poor > > > people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or goldsmith > to > > > attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > > > > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other good > > > things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with his > > red > > > pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I have > > > experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include my > > > childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true sense > of > > > Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu > from > > > Delhi university. > > > > > > > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > wrote: Respected Geeta Didi & > > > Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if > he > > > gave > > > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of > mercury > > > 11th > > > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > > > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. > > > Therefore > > > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya > > without > > > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting > > under > > > an > > > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific > > temper is > > > all > > > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in > it > > nor > > > it > > > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One > is > > > based > > > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with > the > > > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : > > every > > > body > > > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to > accept > > as > > > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective > > > exercise. > > > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In > that > > > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is > > proved > > > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific > > logic > > > of > > > > deduction or inference. > > > > > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known > > as “ > > > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin > > known > > > as " > > > > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is > > almost > > > an > > > > inch wide. > > > > > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the > coin > > > with a > > > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted > > were > > > all > > > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a > > hole. > > > > > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be > a > > > few > > > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one > without > > a > > > hole. > > > > Please remember that the context and the only latest source > > book > > > we > > > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only > authentic > > > record > > > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have > been > > > quite > > > > commonly available. > > > > > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who > claims > > > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars > > wouldn’t know > > > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop > > Lal > > > as > > > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " kapatjal " > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting > > your > > > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before > > your > > > > > first post was put on board. > > > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' > > and " dhalai > > > wala > > > > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > > > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing > > under > > > > the > > > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the > > > soul.In > > > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to > > help > > > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > > > bangle,hook > > > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid > etc. > > > were > > > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals > > somewhere > > > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow > what > > is > > > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not > > only > > > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from > the > > > photo > > > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > > > > meetings > > > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do > not > > > know > > > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk > > > whenver > > > > i > > > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his > Sunday > > > > durbars > > > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and > > > visited > > > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even > > would > > > > have > > > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > > > > heartening > > > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really > know > > and > > > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working > in > > > this > > > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve > the > > > > mankind > > > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > sincerey, > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does > > not > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " > > budh > > > ka > > > > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun > + > > > budh. > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the > > hole > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is > the " > > > budh > > > > ka > > > > > > dayara " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this > > > upaya > > > > it > > > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit > kumar > > > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being > established > > to > > > > > nullify > > > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu > > > coin.now > > > > Cu > > > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Mr Kulbir You donot have to tell me how many books are there and how they were written and who have them. Don't use my knowledge.I don't need to confirm with anyone anything. . As far my chandra and rahu is concerned you even don't know my background and my qualification. If you get some time from making fool out of people go and get some classes on how to behave and how to write. I feel sorry for the female members of your family.They must have suffered a lot because of your wrong doings. Be careful for coming time or sort out all your planets and place them properly. I donot wish to have any reply from you anymore. geeta , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > geeta ji; > my strongest objection. > just read the endlines of the book just once. > IT IS WRITTEN IN AASHIRWAD THAT THE KATIB WAS PANDIT AATMA RAM > SHARMA OF KANGRA prabhakr ji would tell u his village also; don't > know if he was ur father. it is true that pens had gold nibs and > they were brought by the person i named. why don't u crosscheck it > with family of umesh sharma or pt. roop chand joshi. > and it was not a single book but 5 books written over a considerable > span of period. > what have u attained by reading books 20 times if ur mind gets > troubled over such trival issues. please do some upaya for ur > chandra or rahu. > kulbir bains. > > , Geeta Pahuja > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > My father was never practising this book, he was using his talent > only for the wellbeing of mankind. He was a deep thinker and studied > deeply this book because PunditJi asked him to do so. You are > talking about some international referee. Being a referee doesn't > make him a talented person in other fields as well. It is you who > are boasting not me. Please don't you lie. I am presenting the truth > and you are not able to digest it. Lal kitab was written with gold > nib and special pens and I can proudly say that my father was among > those who were writting while Punditji were dictating. When the > book was finished all the pens which were used were thrown into the > river.Hope you will not disturb my mind again. > > > > geeta > > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@> > wrote: geeta ji for ur kind > information, shri umesh sharma ji's father in > > law was international hockey refree and he used various pens for > > pandit ji as gifts from abroad and pandit ji used these pens in > > analysis and in fact writting one of these books also. he was > also a > > keen lalkitab enthusiast and was instrumental in translating > these > > books for umesh sharma. i know this family personally but his > father > > in law never boasted of such an absurd thing like HIS CONSENT FOR > > READING OR PRACTISISNG. if u don't believe my words u can surely > > crosscheck the facts with pt. ji's family. > > u have every right to say what is ur personal opinion but PLEASE > BE > > CAREFUL IN PUTTING WORDS INTO PT.JI'S MOUTH. it is hard to > tolerate. > > kulbir bains > > > > > ; , Geeta Pahuja > > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My dear Mr Varun > > > > > > > > How can you even imagine that Punditji was merely an > astologer > > for > > > our family, please don't you even think about this. My father > > has > > > given his whole life to this book and he had spend all his > > years > > > of life with Punditji and Lal Kitab when he could have spend > for > > > himself. In his short life he looked after the well being of > so > > > many people. When I read Lal Kitab I can feel the soul of > Pundit > > > ji . Pundit ji was never an astrologer for our family he was a > man > > > who was given a special task and power. Pundit Ji gave my > father > > his > > > consent to study the Lal Kitab which he obeyed and thousands of > > > people were blessed by my father and my father never expected > and > > > never thought even in his dreams, of any monetry gain or fame > in > > > return, which is expected by each and every astrologer in > today's > > > time. First and the last thing Pundit Ji taught us was not to > take > > > anything in return specially fame and I have seen every > > astrologer > > > in these different groups are justifying and trying > > > > to impose things, may be to show themselves that they are > big > > > scholars and more intelligent then others. Lal kitab is not our > > > Vedic astrology where our religious pundits perform something > for > > > us. Religious pundits are defined and recognised by their > fields > > > where they earn their living for keeping our culture, sanskar, > and > > > our relations alive by connecting us to our ancestors. You > all > > are > > > studying Lal Kitab but using it in your own way and telling > me I > > > am saying hearsay stories. I don't care what you say and what > you > > > believe or what you don't believe. Every body has their own > > belief . > > > I am not in this business and I know to whom should I > clarify. > > > You are getting some information from Internet or from > somewhere > > > and want to impose on us, and we who are living and > practically > > > experiencing it for 47 years you call them hearsay stories. > What > > a > > > nice and honest logic you are giving. I have read full Lal > Kitab > > in > > > urdu more than 20 times, you may say again that I am > > > > saying hearsay stories. I would like to know if anybody in > > your > > > group has read Lal Kitab in Urdu even once with full > > understandsing > > > and heart.I know what I know I don't have to prove it to any > > group. > > > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > > > > ho.in> wrote: Respected > Geeta > > > didi ji, > > > > > > > > Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the > > truth. > > > > The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you > > think > > > it > > > > is unrelaible, I can't help. > > > > > > > > I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I > am > > > afraid > > > > I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. > > > > > > > > I will accept any thing and every thing which is either > logical > > > or > > > > is recorded by Pandit ji himself. > > > > > > > > For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an > > astrologer. > > > But > > > > I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance > because > > > he > > > > is my 'manas Guru'. > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt > > you. > > > I > > > > need your blessings. Keep me blessed. > > > > > > > > With regards and affection, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , Geeta Pahuja > > > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband > > used > > > do > > > > paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are > > > giving > > > > information which is completely wrong and only read from > some > > > books. > > > > Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to > > copper > > > > coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with > > > magnet.Hundreds > > > > of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure > > > copper > > > > and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment > > > because > > > > my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little > > > problem > > > > in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have > used > > > do > > > > paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot > give > > > > logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit > ji > > > > always told the remedies which were very easy to be > performed > > > even > > > > by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so > many > > > poor > > > > people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or > goldsmith > > to > > > > attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > > > > > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other > good > > > > things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with > his > > > red > > > > pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I > have > > > > experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include > my > > > > childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true > sense > > of > > > > Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu > > from > > > > Delhi university. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > wrote: Respected Geeta Didi > & > > > > Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even > if > > he > > > > gave > > > > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of > > mercury > > > > 11th > > > > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have > that > > > > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or > liberty. > > > > Therefore > > > > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya > > > without > > > > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ > dissecting > > > under > > > > an > > > > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific > > > temper is > > > > all > > > > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong > in > > it > > > nor > > > > it > > > > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > > > > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. > One > > is > > > > based > > > > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with > > the > > > > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : > > > every > > > > body > > > > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to > > accept > > > as > > > > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a > subjective > > > > exercise. > > > > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In > > that > > > > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is > > > proved > > > > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific > > > logic > > > > of > > > > > deduction or inference. > > > > > > > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins > known > > > as “ > > > > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa > coin > > > known > > > > as " > > > > > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It > is > > > almost > > > > an > > > > > inch wide. > > > > > > > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the > > coin > > > > with a > > > > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > > > > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins > minted > > > were > > > > all > > > > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have > a > > > hole. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may > be > > a > > > > few > > > > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one > > without > > > a > > > > hole. > > > > > Please remember that the context and the only latest > source > > > book > > > > we > > > > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only > > authentic > > > > record > > > > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have > > been > > > > quite > > > > > commonly available. > > > > > > > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who > > claims > > > > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars > > > wouldn’t know > > > > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. > Roop > > > Lal > > > > as > > > > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > > > > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " kapatjal " > > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of > getting > > > your > > > > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed > before > > > your > > > > > > first post was put on board. > > > > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' > > > and " dhalai > > > > wala > > > > > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial > purposes. > > > > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written > thing > > > under > > > > > the > > > > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand > the > > > > soul.In > > > > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and > to > > > help > > > > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > > > > bangle,hook > > > > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid > > etc. > > > > were > > > > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals > > > somewhere > > > > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow > > what > > > is > > > > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji > not > > > only > > > > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading > from > > the > > > > photo > > > > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. > Ji's > > > > > meetings > > > > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do > > not > > > > know > > > > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read > Lk > > > > whenver > > > > > i > > > > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his > > Sunday > > > > > durbars > > > > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met > and > > > > visited > > > > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji > even > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite > it.One > > > > > heartening > > > > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really > > know > > > and > > > > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue > working > > in > > > > this > > > > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve > > the > > > > > mankind > > > > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > sincerey, > > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which > does > > > not > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have > a " > > > budh > > > > ka > > > > > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be > sun > > + > > > > budh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; > the > > > hole > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is > > the " > > > > budh > > > > > ka > > > > > > > dayara " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for > this > > > > upaya > > > > > it > > > > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit > > kumar > > > > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination > one > > > > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being > > established > > > to > > > > > > nullify > > > > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is > cu > > > > coin.now > > > > > Cu > > > > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 aiese nahin ji; aapne baaki ke swaalon ka jawab to nahin diya , dimagi khanno me galti kahan aapne abhi tak nahin bataya; baki swalon ke jawab bhi aapke halak me attake hue hain. ab bhagna hi hai to mukabla karke bhago ;topic aap chuno ya main chuno';sari duniya ke saaamne doodh ka dhoodh aur paani ka paani ho jayega.kya aapko apke pita ji ne lalkitab me tambo ke sikko ke illawa bhi kuch sikhaya hai. uski pol bhi varun ne wikipedia se material laakar khol di. varun ne aapko deedi deedi kahkar sar par chadha liya otherwise tell me what is ur contribution to any lalkitab group. i know u are a keen reader of articles on these groups. mera apni biwi se jhagda tha jo gurujano ki kirpa se thik ho gaya par aapke bure din shuru ho gaye hain. ab boria bistar baandh kar bhagna hi hai kyon ki pol to aapki 20 times padhne ki khul gayi hai. aapne kya socha tha aap apne pitaji ko avtar bataingi aur khud ko unki uttaradhikari aur hum aapke charno me lotne lag jayenge. PROVE BEFORE U PREACH. aapki knowledge ki zaroorat hogi kissi gadhe ko, i don't need to USE it but to EXPOSE it. hadh ho gayi kol ko koi aur aa jayega ji mere tau ne lalkitab bind ki thi. koi aadivasi samajh rakha hai kya. kulbir bains. , " geetp56 " <geetp56 wrote: > > Mr Kulbir > You donot have to tell me how many books are there and how they were written and who have them. > Don't use my knowledge.I don't need to confirm with anyone anything. . > As far my chandra and rahu is concerned you even don't know my > background and my qualification. If you get some time from making fool > out of people go and get some classes on how to behave and how to > write. I feel sorry for the female members of your family.They must > have suffered a lot because of your wrong doings. Be careful for > coming time or sort out all your planets and place them properly. I > donot wish to have any reply from you anymore. > > geeta > > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > geeta ji; > > my strongest objection. > > just read the endlines of the book just once. > > IT IS WRITTEN IN AASHIRWAD THAT THE KATIB WAS PANDIT AATMA RAM > > SHARMA OF KANGRA prabhakr ji would tell u his village also; don't > > know if he was ur father. it is true that pens had gold nibs and > > they were brought by the person i named. why don't u crosscheck it > > with family of umesh sharma or pt. roop chand joshi. > > and it was not a single book but 5 books written over a considerable > > span of period. > > what have u attained by reading books 20 times if ur mind gets > > troubled over such trival issues. please do some upaya for ur > > chandra or rahu. > > kulbir bains. > > > > , Geeta Pahuja > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > My father was never practising this book, he was using his talent > > only for the wellbeing of mankind. He was a deep thinker and studied > > deeply this book because PunditJi asked him to do so. You are > > talking about some international referee. Being a referee doesn't > > make him a talented person in other fields as well. It is you who > > are boasting not me. Please don't you lie. I am presenting the truth > > and you are not able to digest it. Lal kitab was written with gold > > nib and special pens and I can proudly say that my father was among > > those who were writting while Punditji were dictating. When the > > book was finished all the pens which were used were thrown into the > > river.Hope you will not disturb my mind again. > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@> > > wrote: geeta ji for ur kind > > information, shri umesh sharma ji's father in > > > law was international hockey refree and he used various pens for > > > pandit ji as gifts from abroad and pandit ji used these pens in > > > analysis and in fact writting one of these books also. he was > > also a > > > keen lalkitab enthusiast and was instrumental in translating > > these > > > books for umesh sharma. i know this family personally but his > > father > > > in law never boasted of such an absurd thing like HIS CONSENT FOR > > > READING OR PRACTISISNG. if u don't believe my words u can surely > > > crosscheck the facts with pt. ji's family. > > > u have every right to say what is ur personal opinion but PLEASE > > BE > > > CAREFUL IN PUTTING WORDS INTO PT.JI'S MOUTH. it is hard to > > tolerate. > > > kulbir bains > > > > > > > ; , Geeta Pahuja > > > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > My dear Mr Varun > > > > > > > > > > How can you even imagine that Punditji was merely an > > astologer > > > for > > > > our family, please don't you even think about this. My father > > > has > > > > given his whole life to this book and he had spend all his > > > years > > > > of life with Punditji and Lal Kitab when he could have spend > > for > > > > himself. In his short life he looked after the well being of > > so > > > > many people. When I read Lal Kitab I can feel the soul of > > Pundit > > > > ji . Pundit ji was never an astrologer for our family he was a > > man > > > > who was given a special task and power. Pundit Ji gave my > > father > > > his > > > > consent to study the Lal Kitab which he obeyed and thousands of > > > > people were blessed by my father and my father never expected > > and > > > > never thought even in his dreams, of any monetry gain or fame > > in > > > > return, which is expected by each and every astrologer in > > today's > > > > time. First and the last thing Pundit Ji taught us was not to > > take > > > > anything in return specially fame and I have seen every > > > astrologer > > > > in these different groups are justifying and trying > > > > > to impose things, may be to show themselves that they are > > big > > > > scholars and more intelligent then others. Lal kitab is not our > > > > Vedic astrology where our religious pundits perform something > > for > > > > us. Religious pundits are defined and recognised by their > > fields > > > > where they earn their living for keeping our culture, sanskar, > > and > > > > our relations alive by connecting us to our ancestors. You > > all > > > are > > > > studying Lal Kitab but using it in your own way and telling > > me I > > > > am saying hearsay stories. I don't care what you say and what > > you > > > > believe or what you don't believe. Every body has their own > > > belief . > > > > I am not in this business and I know to whom should I > > clarify. > > > > You are getting some information from Internet or from > > somewhere > > > > and want to impose on us, and we who are living and > > practically > > > > experiencing it for 47 years you call them hearsay stories. > > What > > > a > > > > nice and honest logic you are giving. I have read full Lal > > Kitab > > > in > > > > urdu more than 20 times, you may say again that I am > > > > > saying hearsay stories. I would like to know if anybody in > > > your > > > > group has read Lal Kitab in Urdu even once with full > > > understandsing > > > > and heart.I know what I know I don't have to prove it to any > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ho.in> wrote: Respected > > Geeta > > > > didi ji, > > > > > > > > > > Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the > > > truth. > > > > > The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you > > > think > > > > it > > > > > is unrelaible, I can't help. > > > > > > > > > > I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I > > am > > > > afraid > > > > > I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. > > > > > > > > > > I will accept any thing and every thing which is either > > logical > > > > or > > > > > is recorded by Pandit ji himself. > > > > > > > > > > For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an > > > astrologer. > > > > But > > > > > I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance > > because > > > > he > > > > > is my 'manas Guru'. > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt > > > you. > > > > I > > > > > need your blessings. Keep me blessed. > > > > > > > > > > With regards and affection, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , Geeta Pahuja > > > > > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband > > > used > > > > do > > > > > paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are > > > > giving > > > > > information which is completely wrong and only read from > > some > > > > books. > > > > > Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to > > > copper > > > > > coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with > > > > magnet.Hundreds > > > > > of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure > > > > copper > > > > > and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment > > > > because > > > > > my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little > > > > problem > > > > > in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have > > used > > > > do > > > > > paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot > > give > > > > > logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit > > ji > > > > > always told the remedies which were very easy to be > > performed > > > > even > > > > > by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so > > many > > > > poor > > > > > people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or > > goldsmith > > > to > > > > > attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > > > > > > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other > > good > > > > > things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with > > his > > > > red > > > > > pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I > > have > > > > > experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include > > my > > > > > childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true > > sense > > > of > > > > > Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu > > > from > > > > > Delhi university. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > > wrote: Respected Geeta Didi > > & > > > > > Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even > > if > > > he > > > > > gave > > > > > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of > > > mercury > > > > > 11th > > > > > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have > > that > > > > > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or > > liberty. > > > > > Therefore > > > > > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya > > > > without > > > > > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ > > dissecting > > > > under > > > > > an > > > > > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific > > > > temper is > > > > > all > > > > > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong > > in > > > it > > > > nor > > > > > it > > > > > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > > > > > > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. > > One > > > is > > > > > based > > > > > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with > > > the > > > > > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : > > > > every > > > > > body > > > > > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to > > > accept > > > > as > > > > > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a > > subjective > > > > > exercise. > > > > > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In > > > that > > > > > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is > > > > proved > > > > > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific > > > > logic > > > > > of > > > > > > deduction or inference. > > > > > > > > > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins > > known > > > > as “ > > > > > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa > > coin > > > > known > > > > > as " > > > > > > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It > > is > > > > almost > > > > > an > > > > > > inch wide. > > > > > > > > > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the > > > coin > > > > > with a > > > > > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > > > > > > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins > > minted > > > > were > > > > > all > > > > > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have > > a > > > > hole. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may > > be > > > a > > > > > few > > > > > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one > > > without > > > > a > > > > > hole. > > > > > > Please remember that the context and the only latest > > source > > > > book > > > > > we > > > > > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only > > > authentic > > > > > record > > > > > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have > > > been > > > > > quite > > > > > > commonly available. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who > > > claims > > > > > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars > > > > wouldn’t know > > > > > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. > > Roop > > > > Lal > > > > > as > > > > > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapatjal " > > > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of > > getting > > > > your > > > > > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed > > before > > > > your > > > > > > > first post was put on board. > > > > > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' > > > > and " dhalai > > > > > wala > > > > > > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial > > purposes. > > > > > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written > > thing > > > > under > > > > > > the > > > > > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand > > the > > > > > soul.In > > > > > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and > > to > > > > help > > > > > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > > > > > bangle,hook > > > > > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid > > > etc. > > > > > were > > > > > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals > > > > somewhere > > > > > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow > > > what > > > > is > > > > > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji > > not > > > > only > > > > > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading > > from > > > the > > > > > photo > > > > > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. > > Ji's > > > > > > meetings > > > > > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do > > > not > > > > > know > > > > > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read > > Lk > > > > > whenver > > > > > > i > > > > > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his > > > Sunday > > > > > > durbars > > > > > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met > > and > > > > > visited > > > > > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji > > even > > > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite > > it.One > > > > > > heartening > > > > > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really > > > know > > > > and > > > > > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue > > working > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve > > > the > > > > > > mankind > > > > > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > > sincerey, > > > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which > > does > > > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have > > a " > > > > budh > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be > > sun > > > + > > > > > budh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; > > the > > > > hole > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is > > > the " > > > > > budh > > > > > > ka > > > > > > > > dayara " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for > > this > > > > > upaya > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit > > > kumar > > > > > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination > > one > > > > > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being > > > established > > > > to > > > > > > > nullify > > > > > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is > > cu > > > > > coin.now > > > > > > Cu > > > > > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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