Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have a hole in it. If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole in the coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh ka dayara " . Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya it will not be effective. With regards, Varun Trivedi , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > dear varunji; > thanks for your reply. > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to nullify > the poison of mercury.' > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now Cu is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > then this remedy should not be efective? > with regards and best wishes; > kiranjeet > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2007 Report Share Posted June 15, 2007 It is good that you are trying to apply logic to the remedies. But I would like to make it clear that the time when Lal kitab was written taanbe ka paisa jo chalta tha wo do paise ka mori wala sikka hota tha. Whenever pundit Ji would tell the remedy of wearing taanbe ka paisa in silver chain it would be the sarkari mori wala paisa which was in the market. He never asked us to attach an extra hook. Even he gave my father do paise ka mori wala taanbe ka sikka to wear. When budh is napunsak grah and it does not give its own result and give the effect of the grah with which it is placed and the rashi in which it is,then there is no need to make Pundit Ji's simple explaination into something different. geetavarun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have a hole in it. If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka dayara", therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. The word "dayara" denotes an area closed all around; the hole in the coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh ka dayara". Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya it will not be effective. With regards, Varun Trivedi , kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote: > > dear varunji; > thanks for your reply. > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to nullify > the poison of mercury.' > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now Cu is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > then this remedy should not be efective? > with regards and best wishes; > kiranjeet > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > Looking for people who are YOUR TYPE? Find them here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your first post was put on board. I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai wala ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under the electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the soul.In fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and bangle,hook wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. were started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the photo and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's meetings can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk whenver i want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday durbars at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited many of famous LK practitioners. Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would have to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One heartening feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the mankind as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. With best wishes, sincerey, kiranjeet In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have a > hole in it. > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole in the > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh ka > dayara " . > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya it > will not be effective. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , kiranjit kumar > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > dear varunji; > > thanks for your reply. > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to nullify > > the poison of mercury.' > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now Cu > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > with regards and best wishes; > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he gave some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. Therefore it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without understanding the logic of how it works. I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under an electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is all about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor it should be taken as sacrilegious. Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is based on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every body could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective exercise. Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of deduction or inference. Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as “ dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known as " dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost an inch wide. After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with a hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were all nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a hole. Please remember that the context and the only latest source book we have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic record we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been quite commonly available. Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t know his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal as you have mentioned twice in your message. With respect and great regards, Varun Trivedi , " kapatjal " <kapatjal wrote: > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > first post was put on board. > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai wala > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under the > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the soul.In > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and bangle,hook > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. were > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the photo > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's meetings > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk whenver i > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday durbars > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > many of famous LK practitioners. > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would have > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One heartening > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the mankind > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > With best wishes, > sincerey, > kiranjeet > > In , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have a > > hole in it. > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole in > the > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh ka > > dayara " . > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya it > > will not be effective. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > thanks for your reply. > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > nullify > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now Cu > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband used do paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are giving information which is completely wrong and only read from some books. Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to copper coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with magnet.Hundreds of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure copper and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment because my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little problem in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have used do paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot give logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit ji always told the remedies which were very easy to be performed even by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so many poor people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or goldsmith to attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other good things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with his red pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I have experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include my childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true sense of Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu from Delhi university.geeta varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he gave some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. Therefore it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without understanding the logic of how it works. I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under an electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is all about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor it should be taken as sacrilegious. Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is based on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every body could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective exercise. Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of deduction or inference. Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as “ dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known as " dubbal" is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost an inch wide. After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with a hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were all nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a hole. Please remember that the context and the only latest source book we have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic record we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been quite commonly available. Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t know his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal as you have mentioned twice in your message. With respect and great regards, Varun Trivedi , "kapatjal" <kapatjal wrote: > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > first post was put on board. > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and "dhalai wala > ring or bangle" which should be used for remedial purposes. > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under the > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the soul.In > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and bangle,hook > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. were > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the photo > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's meetings > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk whenver i > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday durbars > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > many of famous LK practitioners. > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would have > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One heartening > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the mankind > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > With best wishes, > sincerey, > kiranjeet > > In , "varun_trvd" > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have a > > hole in it. > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > dayara", therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. > > > > The word "dayara" denotes an area closed all around; the hole in > the > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh ka > > dayara". > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya it > > will not be effective. > > > > With regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > thanks for your reply. > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > nullify > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now Cu > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 dear varun ji, Main na maanoon ka koi ilaaj nahin. It is not hearsay evidence; u can put it as that v have heard a lecture by the writer of the scientific article which u r logically trying to prove or disprove. I do not think that u shall suggest that writer was wrong in the interpretation of his own article or wrongly heard by atleast 3 members of this forum at 3 different times. your understanding of Lk is otherwise fascinating;please keep it up. with regards and best wishes; sincerely, kiranjeet -- In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he gave > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. Therefore > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > understanding the logic of how it works. > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under an > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is all > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor it > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is based > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every body > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective exercise. > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of > deduction or inference. > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as “ > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known as " > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost an > inch wide. > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with a > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were all > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a hole. > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book we > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic record > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been quite > commonly available. > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t know > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal as > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > With respect and great regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > , " kapatjal " > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > > first post was put on board. > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai wala > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under > the > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the soul.In > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and bangle,hook > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. were > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the photo > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > meetings > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk whenver > i > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > durbars > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would > have > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > heartening > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > mankind > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > With best wishes, > > sincerey, > > kiranjeet > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have > a > > > hole in it. > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole in > > the > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh > ka > > > dayara " . > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya > it > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > nullify > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now > Cu > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Dear Sirs My knowledge is very limited compared to all of you but I must say I have to agree with both Varun Ji and Chandra Prakash Ji on this matter - to apply simple logic - If for a malefic mercury you have to create a hole in a copper coin and flow it in a river for 43 days this obviously states that mercury is represented by a hole in a copper coin. So how can wearing such a copper coin which represents mercury be worn around the neck for a malefic mercury? It is also concluded from the book that mercury is controlled to a certain extent by the sun - the sun is represented by a whole copper round object with NO hole. It therefore must be this that is worn around the neck. So the conclusion that both Varun Ji and Chandra Ji have formed must therefore be valid. Regards Sorabh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Respected Geeta didi ji, Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the truth. The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you think it is unrelaible, I can't help. I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I am afraid I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. I will accept any thing and every thing which is either logical or is recorded by Pandit ji himself. For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an astrologer. But I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance because he is my 'manas Guru'. I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt you. I need your blessings. Keep me blessed. With regards and affection, Varun Trivedi , Geeta Pahuja <geetp56 wrote: > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband used do paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are giving information which is completely wrong and only read from some books. Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to copper coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with magnet.Hundreds of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure copper and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment because my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little problem in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have used do paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot give logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit ji always told the remedies which were very easy to be performed even by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so many poor people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or goldsmith to attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other good things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with his red pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I have experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include my childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true sense of Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu from Delhi university. > > > geeta > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he gave > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. Therefore > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > understanding the logic of how it works. > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under an > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is all > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor it > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is based > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every body > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective exercise. > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of > deduction or inference. > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as “ > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known as " > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost an > inch wide. > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with a > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were all > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a hole. > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book we > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic record > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been quite > commonly available. > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t know > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal as > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > With respect and great regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " kapatjal " > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > > first post was put on board. > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai wala > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under > the > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the soul.In > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and bangle,hook > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. were > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the photo > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > meetings > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk whenver > i > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > durbars > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would > have > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > heartening > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > mankind > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > With best wishes, > > sincerey, > > kiranjeet > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have > a > > > hole in it. > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole in > > the > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh > ka > > > dayara " . > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya > it > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > nullify > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now > Cu > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Aadarneeya Kiranjit ji main woh sab manta hoon, aur hamesha maantaa rahoonga, jo ya to tarksangat hai ya pandit ji ne swayam likha hai. kahi-suni baton ko koi aur maan le , lekin main nahin manoonga. With regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , " kapatjal " <kapatjal wrote: > > dear varun ji, > > Main na maanoon ka koi ilaaj nahin. > It is not hearsay evidence; u can put it as that v have heard a > lecture by the writer of the scientific article which u r logically > trying to prove or disprove. I do not think that u shall suggest > that writer was wrong in the interpretation of his own article or > wrongly heard by atleast 3 members of this forum at 3 different > times. > your understanding of Lk is otherwise fascinating;please keep it up. > with regards and best wishes; > sincerely, > kiranjeet > > -- In , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he > gave > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. > Therefore > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under > an > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is > all > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor > it > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is > based > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every > body > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective > exercise. > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of > > deduction or inference. > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as > “ > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known > as " > > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost > an > > inch wide. > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with > a > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were > all > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a > hole. > > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book > we > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic > record > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been > quite > > commonly available. > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t > know > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal > as > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapatjal " > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > > > first post was put on board. > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai > wala > > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under > > the > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the > soul.In > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > bangle,hook > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. > were > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the > photo > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > > meetings > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk > whenver > > i > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > > durbars > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would > > have > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > > heartening > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > > mankind > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > With best wishes, > > > sincerey, > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not > have > > a > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + > budh. > > > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole > in > > > the > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " > budh > > ka > > > > dayara " . > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya > > it > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > > nullify > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu > coin.now > > Cu > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Mr kapatjal ji agar " bejod chhalla, jismen jod na laga ho " ka arth aisa chhalla hai jiska munh band ho aur jiska munh khula na ho to phir " judahua chhalla, jismen jod laga ho " woh kaunsa aur kaisa chhalla hoga? sincerely, Roop , " kapatjal " <kapatjal wrote: > > dear varun ji, > > Main na maanoon ka koi ilaaj nahin. > It is not hearsay evidence; u can put it as that v have heard a > lecture by the writer of the scientific article which u r logically > trying to prove or disprove. I do not think that u shall suggest > that writer was wrong in the interpretation of his own article or > wrongly heard by atleast 3 members of this forum at 3 different > times. > your understanding of Lk is otherwise fascinating;please keep it up. > with regards and best wishes; > sincerely, > kiranjeet > > -- In , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he > gave > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. > Therefore > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under > an > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is > all > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor > it > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is > based > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every > body > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective > exercise. > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of > > deduction or inference. > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as > “ > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known > as " > > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost > an > > inch wide. > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with > a > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were > all > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a > hole. > > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book > we > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic > record > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been > quite > > commonly available. > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t > know > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal > as > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapatjal " > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > > > first post was put on board. > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai > wala > > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under > > the > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the > soul.In > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > bangle,hook > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. > were > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the > photo > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > > meetings > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk > whenver > > i > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > > durbars > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would > > have > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > > heartening > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > > mankind > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > With best wishes, > > > sincerey, > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not > have > > a > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + > budh. > > > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole > in > > > the > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " > budh > > ka > > > > dayara " . > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya > > it > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > > nullify > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu > coin.now > > Cu > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Shri Kapatjal ji , Geeta ji, Aap dono ki yeh zid ki aapki sunee-sunayee baton ko authentic manliya jaye bil kul naazayaz hai. Jab discussion siddhanton par ho raha ho to wahi vichar sweekar kiye jane chaihiye jo ya to tark ki kasauti par khare utarte hon ya kahin likhit roop mein prapta hon. Siddhanton ki bahas mein sunee- sunayee baton ke liye koi sthan nahi hota. Hum jaise sadharan pathakon ko Varun ji , Tyagi ji, Lalkitabee ji ki baat sahi lagti hai ki yadi kahin likhit praman hai to sab ke samane lakar dikha do. Hum sabhi aap dono ki baat man lenge. Yadi koi truti huyee ho to kshama prarthi hun, R P Singh , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Aadarneeya Kiranjit ji > > main woh sab manta hoon, aur hamesha maantaa rahoonga, jo ya to > tarksangat hai ya pandit ji ne swayam likha hai. kahi-suni baton ko > koi aur maan le , lekin main nahin manoonga. > > With regards and respect, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " kapatjal " > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > dear varun ji, > > > > Main na maanoon ka koi ilaaj nahin. > > It is not hearsay evidence; u can put it as that v have heard a > > lecture by the writer of the scientific article which u r > logically > > trying to prove or disprove. I do not think that u shall suggest > > that writer was wrong in the interpretation of his own article > or > > wrongly heard by atleast 3 members of this forum at 3 different > > times. > > your understanding of Lk is otherwise fascinating;please keep it > up. > > with regards and best wishes; > > sincerely, > > kiranjeet > > > > -- In , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he > > gave > > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury > 11th > > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. > > Therefore > > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under > > an > > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is > > all > > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor > > it > > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is > > based > > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every > > body > > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective > > exercise. > > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic > of > > > deduction or inference. > > > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as > > “ > > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known > > as " > > > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is > almost > > an > > > inch wide. > > > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin > with > > a > > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were > > all > > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a > few > > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a > > hole. > > > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book > > we > > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic > > record > > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been > > quite > > > commonly available. > > > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t > > know > > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal > > as > > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapatjal " > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting > your > > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before > your > > > > first post was put on board. > > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai > > wala > > > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing > under > > > the > > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the > > soul.In > > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > > bangle,hook > > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. > > were > > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what > is > > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not > only > > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the > > photo > > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > > > meetings > > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not > know > > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk > > whenver > > > i > > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > > > durbars > > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and > visited > > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even > would > > > have > > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > > > heartening > > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know > and > > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in > this > > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > > > mankind > > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > > With best wishes, > > > > sincerey, > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not > > have > > > a > > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh > ka > > > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + > > budh. > > > > > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the > hole > > in > > > > the > > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " > > budh > > > ka > > > > > dayara " . > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this > upaya > > > it > > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > > > nullify > > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu > > coin.now > > > Cu > > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 My dear Mr Varun How can you even imagine that Punditji was merely an astologer for our family, please don't you even think about this. My father has given his whole life to this book and he had spend all his years of life with Punditji and Lal Kitab when he could have spend for himself. In his short life he looked after the well being of so many people. When I read Lal Kitab I can feel the soul of Pundit ji . Pundit ji was never an astrologer for our family he was a man who was given a special task and power. Pundit Ji gave my father his consent to study the Lal Kitab which he obeyed and thousands of people were blessed by my father and my father never expected and never thought even in his dreams, of any monetry gain or fame in return, which is expected by each and every astrologer in today's time. First and the last thing Pundit Ji taught us was not to take anything in return specially fame and I have seen every astrologer in these different groups are justifying and trying to impose things, may be to show themselves that they are big scholars and more intelligent then others. Lal kitab is not our Vedic astrology where our religious pundits perform something for us. Religious pundits are defined and recognised by their fields where they earn their living for keeping our culture, sanskar, and our relations alive by connecting us to our ancestors. You all are studying Lal Kitab but using it in your own way and telling me I am saying hearsay stories. I don't care what you say and what you believe or what you don't believe. Every body has their own belief . I am not in this business and I know to whom should I clarify. You are getting some information from Internet or from somewhere and want to impose on us, and we who are living and practically experiencing it for 47 years you call them hearsay stories. What a nice and honest logic you are giving. I have read full Lal Kitab in urdu more than 20 times, you may say again that I am saying hearsay stories. I would like to know if anybody in your group has read Lal Kitab in Urdu even once with full understandsing and heart.I know what I know I don't have to prove it to any group. geetaho.in> wrote: Respected Geeta didi ji, Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the truth. The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you think it is unrelaible, I can't help. I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I am afraid I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. I will accept any thing and every thing which is either logical or is recorded by Pandit ji himself. For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an astrologer. But I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance because he is my 'manas Guru'. I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt you. I need your blessings. Keep me blessed. With regards and affection, Varun Trivedi , Geeta Pahuja <geetp56 wrote: > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband used do paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are giving information which is completely wrong and only read from some books. Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to copper coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with magnet.Hundreds of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure copper and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment because my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little problem in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have used do paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot give logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit ji always told the remedies which were very easy to be performed even by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so many poor people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or goldsmith to attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other good things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with his red pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I have experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include my childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true sense of Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu from Delhi university. > > > geeta > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he gave > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. Therefore > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > understanding the logic of how it works. > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under an > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is all > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor it > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is based > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every body > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective exercise. > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of > deduction or inference. > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as “ > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known as " > dubbal" is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost an > inch wide. > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with a > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were all > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a hole. > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book we > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic record > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been quite > commonly available. > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t know > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal as > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > With respect and great regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , "kapatjal" > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > > first post was put on board. > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and "dhalai wala > > ring or bangle" which should be used for remedial purposes. > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under > the > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the soul.In > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and bangle,hook > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. were > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the photo > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > meetings > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk whenver > i > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > durbars > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would > have > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > heartening > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > mankind > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > With best wishes, > > sincerey, > > kiranjeet > > > > In , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have > a > > > hole in it. > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > > dayara", therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. > > > > > > The word "dayara" denotes an area closed all around; the hole in > > the > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh > ka > > > dayara". > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya > it > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > nullify > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now > Cu > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 geeta ji; i humbly submit that when pandit ji got these books published and distributed it on no profit basis. he gave his consent to all and sundry to read and use these books so terming his exclusive consent is like a monopoly that doesn't goes down the throat. secondly if u observe the history of astrology; astrology was revived and brought within reach of common people by the english/hindi language. so much so that further research was done to the extent that krishnamurthy padhiti which is a totally unique and universally accepted owes credit to english language. the concepts/upayas used in lalkitab preexist 20th century. there are proof that these upayas were in vogue in medivial times also. so reading the book in urdu simply does not bestow any special siddhi of the subject. thirdly barring prabhakar ji; pt bhooshanpriya who has helped people than any other fellow with upayas, lalkitabi sh.vipin shukla, sh umesh sharma, are among those who learned this book from hindi language and their calibre is open there for all to see. a diamond does not has to beg for shine, similarly fame comes automatically to one who labours. now the line between sharing and showing off is very thin and depends upon individual preception. in our land there is a saying KATTE NU MAJH DE MANN DUDH DA KI BHA. meaning what does a buffalo's child has to do with 40 kg milk of his mother, he is only given a little share. hence for beginners like me these showoffs are better than those who keep there knowledge under wraps. it is therefore my request please don't confimne this book to urdu. let it be accepted not only throughout india but whole world. i strongly believe if pt. ji would have written these books today, the language would have been definitely english very much like krishnamurthy ji. kulbir bains ; , Geeta Pahuja <geetp56 wrote: > > My dear Mr Varun > > How can you even imagine that Punditji was merely an astologer for our family, please don't you even think about this. My father has given his whole life to this book and he had spend all his years of life with Punditji and Lal Kitab when he could have spend for himself. In his short life he looked after the well being of so many people. When I read Lal Kitab I can feel the soul of Pundit ji . Pundit ji was never an astrologer for our family he was a man who was given a special task and power. Pundit Ji gave my father his consent to study the Lal Kitab which he obeyed and thousands of people were blessed by my father and my father never expected and never thought even in his dreams, of any monetry gain or fame in return, which is expected by each and every astrologer in today's time. First and the last thing Pundit Ji taught us was not to take anything in return specially fame and I have seen every astrologer in these different groups are justifying and trying > to impose things, may be to show themselves that they are big scholars and more intelligent then others. Lal kitab is not our Vedic astrology where our religious pundits perform something for us. Religious pundits are defined and recognised by their fields where they earn their living for keeping our culture, sanskar, and our relations alive by connecting us to our ancestors. You all are studying Lal Kitab but using it in your own way and telling me I am saying hearsay stories. I don't care what you say and what you believe or what you don't believe. Every body has their own belief . I am not in this business and I know to whom should I clarify. You are getting some information from Internet or from somewhere and want to impose on us, and we who are living and practically experiencing it for 47 years you call them hearsay stories. What a nice and honest logic you are giving. I have read full Lal Kitab in urdu more than 20 times, you may say again that I am > saying hearsay stories. I would like to know if anybody in your group has read Lal Kitab in Urdu even once with full understandsing and heart.I know what I know I don't have to prove it to any group. > > geeta > > > ho.in> wrote: Respected Geeta didi ji, > > Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the truth. > The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you think it > is unrelaible, I can't help. > > I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I am afraid > I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. > > I will accept any thing and every thing which is either logical or > is recorded by Pandit ji himself. > > For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an astrologer. But > I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance because he > is my 'manas Guru'. > > I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt you. I > need your blessings. Keep me blessed. > > With regards and affection, > > Varun Trivedi > > , Geeta Pahuja > <geetp56@> wrote: > > > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband used do > paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are giving > information which is completely wrong and only read from some books. > Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to copper > coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with magnet.Hundreds > of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure copper > and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment because > my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little problem > in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have used do > paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot give > logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit ji > always told the remedies which were very easy to be performed even > by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so many poor > people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or goldsmith to > attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other good > things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with his red > pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I have > experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include my > childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true sense of > Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu from > Delhi university. > > > > > > geeta > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > wrote: Respected Geeta Didi & > Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he > gave > > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury > 11th > > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. > Therefore > > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > > understanding the logic of how it works. > > > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under > an > > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is > all > > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor > it > > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is > based > > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every > body > > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective > exercise. > > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic > of > > deduction or inference. > > > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as “ > > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known > as " > > dubbal " is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost > an > > inch wide. > > > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin > with a > > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were > all > > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a > few > > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a > hole. > > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book > we > > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic > record > > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been > quite > > commonly available. > > > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t know > > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal > as > > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > > > With respect and great regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " kapatjal " > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > > > first post was put on board. > > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and " dhalai > wala > > > ring or bangle " which should be used for remedial purposes. > > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under > > the > > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the > soul.In > > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and > bangle,hook > > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. > were > > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the > photo > > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > > meetings > > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not > know > > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk > whenver > > i > > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > > durbars > > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and > visited > > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would > > have > > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > > heartening > > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in > this > > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > > mankind > > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > > With best wishes, > > > sincerey, > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > In , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not > have > > a > > > > hole in it. > > > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh > ka > > > > dayara " , therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + > budh. > > > > > > > > The word " dayara " denotes an area closed all around; the hole > in > > > the > > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " > budh > > ka > > > > dayara " . > > > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this > upaya > > it > > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > > nullify > > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu > coin.now > > Cu > > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Respected Geeta MadamPerhaps you may not be able to visualize how happy I am to find an old school puritan of the revered Lal Kitab like you in this group, please accept my congratulations and salutations for your firm and bold views, that is what a true Lal Kitab devotee is suppose to be. Madam, I am not sure about the others, but I fully endorse your views as far as the shape of Joint less Ring and Copper Coin is concerned. You are not at all required to prove anything to anyone, your postings are the proof of your high caliber, has clearly shows what metal you are made of.Like your good self, I too believe that:1. A joint less Ring should be a completely endless one, an open end Ring is not at all recommended, and2. only a copper coin with a hole (Mori wala paisa) is required. Using a hook etc. is entirely wrong.I also request the members to use their discretion if someone recommends a Steel Ring with open ends or a copper coin with hook, as the same may backfire and prove counter productive. RespectfullyYograj PrabhakarGeeta Pahuja <geetp56 wrote: My dear Mr Varun How can you even imagine that Punditji was merely an astologer for our family, please don't you even think about this. My father has given his whole life to this book and he had spend all his years of life with Punditji and Lal Kitab when he could have spend for himself. In his short life he looked after the well being of so many people. When I read Lal Kitab I can feel the soul of Pundit ji . Pundit ji was never an astrologer for our family he was a man who was given a special task and power. Pundit Ji gave my father his consent to study the Lal Kitab which he obeyed and thousands of people were blessed by my father and my father never expected and never thought even in his dreams, of any monetry gain or fame in return, which is expected by each and every astrologer in today's time. First and the last thing Pundit Ji taught us was not to take anything in return specially fame and I have seen every astrologer in these different groups are justifying and trying to impose things, may be to show themselves that they are big scholars and more intelligent then others. Lal kitab is not our Vedic astrology where our religious pundits perform something for us. Religious pundits are defined and recognised by their fields where they earn their living for keeping our culture, sanskar, and our relations alive by connecting us to our ancestors. You all are studying Lal Kitab but using it in your own way and telling me I am saying hearsay stories. I don't care what you say and what you believe or what you don't believe. Every body has their own belief . I am not in this business and I know to whom should I clarify. You are getting some information from Internet or from somewhere and want to impose on us, and we who are living and practically experiencing it for 47 years you call them hearsay stories. What a nice and honest logic you are giving. I have read full Lal Kitab in urdu more than 20 times, you may say again that I am saying hearsay stories. I would like to know if anybody in your group has read Lal Kitab in Urdu even once with full understandsing and heart.I know what I know I don't have to prove it to any group. geetaho.in> wrote: Respected Geeta didi ji, Just search the net for Indian coins and you will know the truth. The information I had collected is from 'Wikipedia'. If you think it is unrelaible, I can't help. I had explained my views on the hearsay stories earlier. I am afraid I can not believe any of the hearsay stories. I will accept any thing and every thing which is either logical or is recorded by Pandit ji himself. For you and your family Pandit ji might have been an astrologer. But I hold Pandit ji in a much greater regard and reverance because he is my 'manas Guru'. I sincerely apologise if any of my statements have ever hurt you. I need your blessings. Keep me blessed. With regards and affection, Varun Trivedi , Geeta Pahuja <geetp56 wrote: > > It appears you were not even born at that time. My husband used do paise ka sikka untill 1966. I cannot understand why you are giving information which is completely wrong and only read from some books. Even in the UK where I live, nikal was started to add to copper coins after 1983. And the best way to check is with magnet.Hundreds of coins which belong to 1983 or before, I checked were pure copper and coins after 1983 are all mixed. I did this experiment because my daughter was doing this project in school . Only little problem in india is of fake coins. But I am 100% sure that we have used do paise ka taanbe ka mori wals paisa untill 1966. You cannot give logic for things which are already clear in our mind. Pundit ji always told the remedies which were very easy to be performed even by a very poor person. At that time he would not ask to so many poor people who were visiting him to go to silversmith or goldsmith to attach a hook to copper coin.I have one letter of > punditji's handwritten to my dad with me. many other good things he wrote for me and for my sisters and brother with his red pen which are still with us. My father was born in 1922, I have experience of 30 years(from the age of 15) and if I include my childhood lal Kitab is in my blood. For having the true sense of Lal Kitab I studied Lal Kitab in Urdu, I did diploma in urdu from Delhi university. > > > geeta > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Geeta Didi & Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > Pt. Roop Chand ji was an enlightened divine person. Even if he gave > some one a pinch of ash {mercury bud} for an upaya of mercury 11th > it would have worked. But we normal mortals do not have that > miraculous power. We do not enjoy that freedom or liberty. Therefore > it will not be wise on our part to administer any upaya without > understanding the logic of how it works. > > I am happy that Kiranjit ji has termed it as “ dissecting under an > electron microscope†, that is exactly what scientific temper is all > about…dissecting and analyzing. There is nothing wrong in it nor it > should be taken as sacrilegious. > > Out of the discussion, so far, two views have emerged. One is based > on hearsay and the other based on logic. The problem with the > hearsay view is that there will be no end to such views : every body > could come up with a new view. Of these views which to accept as > authentic and which to reject will have to be a subjective exercise. > Therefore I personally am inclined to reject them all. In that > eventuality the only alternative left is to go by what is proved > through impartial, nonpartisan method known as scientific logic of > deduction or inference. > > Geeta didi I have seen some of the old one paisa coins known as “ > dubbal†which were minted till 1947. That one paisa coin known as " > dubbal" is without a hole. This paisa was of copper. It is almost an > inch wide. > > After 1947 till 1957 the paisa coins minted included the coin with a > hole. This coin was of copper and nickel. > > After 1957, with the decimal system, the paisa coins minted were all > nickel and no copper. The coins once again didn’t have a hole. > > I believe that the paisa used for upaya till 1947 and may be a few > years after must have been the “dubbal†- the one without a hole. > Please remember that the context and the only latest source book we > have is 1952 edition of Lal Kitab. That is the only authentic record > we can fall back on. And till 1952 the 'dubbal' must have been quite > commonly available. > > Kiran jit ji, I am surprised that a person like you who claims > having been a regular at Pandit ji’s Sunday durbars wouldn’t know > his name. His name is Pt. Roop Chand Joshi and not Pt. Roop Lal as > you have mentioned twice in your message. > > With respect and great regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , "kapatjal" > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > U R very right Geeta ji.In fact,i was thinking of getting your > > opinion on this cu paisa issue which was discussed before your > > first post was put on board. > > I have no doubt that it is a 'chhed wala paisa' and "dhalai wala > > ring or bangle" which should be used for remedial purposes. > > Unfortunately, logic people can dissect the written thing under > the > > electron microscope;but they cannot feel or understand the soul.In > > fact, the very idea of lk was to help the people and to help > > themselves by reading the Lk. This open ended ring and bangle,hook > > wala paisa and small copper utensils with a screwed lid etc. were > > started by first line of lk practioner professionals somewhere > > around 1990.If one believes in Lk,he can blindly follow what is > > written in Lk and get the benefits.Respected pundiy ji not only > > practised lk, he also took the help of face reading from the photo > > and palmistry.Only those who have been visiting pt. Ji's > meetings > > can understand and appreciate lk in its real sense.I do not know > > much about the theory part and i have to open and read Lk whenver > i > > want to find something.But I have been attending his Sunday > durbars > > at pharwala and can feel its essence.I have also met and visited > > many of famous LK practitioners. > > > > Wih all this logic,I am sure reverred Pt.Roop Lal ji even would > have > > to read his LK again and again and perhaps rewrite it.One > heartening > > feature is that all the Gurujans and seniors do really know and > > understand LK and ultimately when they continue working in this > > field with an open and receptive mind,shall truly serve the > mankind > > as par the wishes of pt.roop lalji. > > With best wishes, > > sincerey, > > kiranjeet > > > > In , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Kiranjit Kumar ji, > > > > > > The copper coin used in the upaya is the one which does not have > a > > > hole in it. > > > > > > If a coin has a hole, then it will be said to have a " budh ka > > > dayara", therefore a copper coin with a hole will be sun + budh. > > > > > > The word "dayara" denotes an area closed all around; the hole in > > the > > > coin or the empty space in the center of the coin is the " budh > ka > > > dayara". > > > > > > Yes you are right if a coin with a hole is used for this upaya > it > > > will not be effective. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > > > dear varunji; > > > > thanks for your reply. > > > > referene your lines'By no stretch of imagination one > > > > can justify a karak object of mercury being established to > > nullify > > > > the poison of mercury.' > > > > For Budh 11, the remedy,already talked about,is cu coin.now > Cu > > > is for sun and the circular shape goes for Budh. > > > > then this remedy should not be efective? > > > > with regards and best wishes; > > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We won't tell. 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