Lal Kitab Discussion Group Silver bangle with a copper stud Attn.Nirmal JI

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Honourable Mr.Nirmal & Friendz,

Without any kind of imputation ,I feel that so much groups are

particularizing the Lalkitab.By chance Or per chance Mr.Nirmal also

governing a type of like that group.The adequate disscussion has

been tuned to logic Vs auditouries. I surfed various groups & read

archeives written by Pt.Lalkitabi .All of his archives are so

adiquate & simple to understand with obvious logics. But some of

inappeasable experts impassively deny the logics.One of them seems

Mr.NIrmal. Pt. Kitabi's mail is still awaiting to be answered to get

its conclusion, but Mr.Nirmal doesn't reply.

With all due respects,my solicitations to Mr. Nirmal to

continue the disscussion ,which initiated by Pt.Lalkitabi. Plz

clearly say your sombroused soliloquies ,out of all hasistants for

the sake of humanity as a moral duty . We innocent people will be

able to achieve some pure gold from nuggets ,because both of

notionals & rumours are a subject to be verified with the

touchstone of legible logics & lemmas.

With due respect

Niti

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Respected Nirmal Ji

> Budh may be elliptical or non-elliptical .Budh is budh itself due

to

> its roundness or ellipticity. The shape may be as sphere or as

> elliptical.It is not a measurement of DURUST or BEDURUST BUDH. It

> is a different chapter.Pandit ji used the word ANDAA (egg) for

> budh.He used usualy-- BUDH KA ANDAA, KHADAA ANDAA ,LETAA HUA

> ANDAA , GANDAA ANDAA .If elliptical shape is malefic budh ,Y

pandit

> ji catagorised it.Pandit ji addressed budh as Andaa even where

> benefic budh also addressed KHADAA ANDAA by Pandit ji. & where it

> is malefic it has been called GANDAA ANDAA.U know egg has never a

> shape as sphere. So It is wrong that elliptical shape of budh is a

> sign of malefic budh only.May be elliptical or sphere ,both r budh

> only,without any perception of malefic or benefic.

> At other side in perview of Mars u r

> saying " Budh Kayam aur darust ho to mangal bad ka bura asar na

hoga "

> etc.. Yes it is true & written in Revered Lalkitab but Im unable

to

> understand that wat do u mean here ? Wat r u accepting with those

> two lines ? Do u mean , " in the remedy (Silver Kadaa) for Mars

> 4th ,Mercury also shud be accepted in KADAA (endless round) with

> this remedy as DURUST MERCURY ? Plz clerify.After that all of us

can

> go to conclusion.

> With regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> , NKB <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > I have been reading the discussions regularly. Due to very busy

> schedule at

> > my work place I don't take part actively in the discussions.

but ,

> I could

> > not forbid my self as the discussion is going array with a small

> > misconception about budh.

> >

> > Just from the very first discussion,it was emphasized that Budh

> shall not be

> > got involved in the remedy for Mangal Bud. Before i proceed

> further, I

> > reproduce below , few transcription from the Holy Book which all

> of you must

> > have came through while studying:-

> >

> > 1. Mangal Bud ko buray asar se roknay wala Chander Dil Rekha Hai

> (मंगल बद को

> > बà¥à¤°à¥‡ असर की तरफ से रोकने

> वाला चंदर दिल रेखा है

> > 2. 'Sir Rekha' Sahi Ho tou Mangal Bud Kaa asar bura naa Hoga,

Agar

> Budh

> > Qayam aur Darust Ho to Mangal Bud Ka Asar Bura Naa Hoga.

> > ( सर रेखा सही हो तो मंगल बद

> का बà¥à¤°à¤¾ असर न होगा. अगर बà¥à¤§

> क़ायम दquot;र दरà¥à¤¸à¥à¤¤ हो तो

> > मंगल बद का असर बà¥à¤°à¤¾ न होग

> ा )

> >

> > Now What is the darust Halat of Budh?

> > Here are my views:

> > Is it the Round with a Break or Complete round.

> > If we take The definition of 'Bejod' as open ended ring or

> jointed/welded

> > then that will not represent darust or true Budh. Any kink or

> break in the

> > roundness will disturb Budh as well as all the planets who always

> > revolve/walk on the path(Dayra) of Budh.

> > Coming to second Definition of 'Bejod' as being given by

Repected

> Yograj

> > Prabhakar Ji , one piece ring with no joint or joint less

> represent true and

> > darust Budh.

> > Why?

> > because this true budh shape is owned by all the planets and

> represent there

> > darust halat.

> > Take an example of Eclipse

> > When Any planet is eclipsed, it shape, visually or (Sphere of

> energy), is

> > changed from True roundness to elliptical or we can say as non

> round. Which

> > mean the Budh has been disturbed there , resulting the bad

result

> or no

> > result of that planet.

> > We must not jump to conclusion that Budh,(who is called in book

at

> many

> > place as Ullu Ka patha, Haram Zadi Laundiya else else, because

of

> it bad

> > position in certain houses,) is Bad or never be a good planet.

> > It is Budh which helps Shukkar to be a Mother or father or a

good

> spouse. It

> > is Budh who with Sun makes as Masnooyi Mangal Nek. and with

> Shukkar it make

> > Masnooyi Sooraj except with Mangal it make Shani Rahu Subhao.

> > Dear friends this book has the text/scripted in Urdu but

> dialact/Words of

> > this book is of Punjab origin. In Punjabi, Bejod means without

> any Joint.

> > 'Chhalla', Kada, Choodi, are called a round rings with or

without

> joints.

> > When we call Bejod Chhalla, Kada, Choodi then it means that one

> piece round

> > shape.

> > Bejod Sariya Means Straight rod without joint.

> > By Using Bejod Chandi Kaa Kada/CHoodi we Keep the Budh darust

> which keeps

> > the Moon as well as Mars to be on right path.

> >

> > Another term used in discussion is of steel, seamless steel

pipes.

> or

> > steel/Silver pipes. Friends the reference here in the book is

not

> for

> > steel(stainless, Mild Steel etc.) it is " faulad " or you can say

as

> > wrought/Cast iron which normally do not get rusted.

> >

> > That is all about my opinion about this remedy.

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> > On 6/14/07, Geeta Pahuja <geetp56@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The holes in the nose or ears are also Budh. For malefic

> Jupiter we take

> > > the help of Jupiter's asya, for malefic Ketu, Ketu kayam, for

> sun pray to

> > > sun, for Rahu malefic taking blessing of Rahu etc. In the same

> manner, main

> > > remedies for Mercury are done by keeping Mercury happy or with

> things

> > > related to mercury. Silver ring in nose is used to give the

help

> of moon to

> > > budh. The remedy for malefic Budh is the piercing of the nose

> of Budh 8

> > > Person's daughter(budh) and putting silver ring in her nose

not

> the stud.

> > > Round holes represent budh, jo body per kayam ho jata he. In

> the same

> > > manner the only yellow pumpkin which is ripen and empty from

> inside is budh

> > > and is offered to a temple. Silver ball which is hollow inside

> is also budh

> > > . Big utencils with lid and empty from inside, kept in the

house

> are budh.

> > > Dholak is hollow from inside and is budh. It is not necessary

> that Gol aakar

> > > hone se budh hota he. When we talk about ketu, it is black

and

> white or two

> > > coloured dog or chitkabra dog. If the dog is of red colour it

> will be ketu

> > > but with the effect of budh. In the same way if the horse is

of

> yellow

> > > colour then even though horse is chandra but it will carry the

> effects of

> > > jupiter. Therefore, remedy of steel challa is help of saturn

> to mercury.

> > >

> > >

> > > Budh is napunsak grah. it does not give its own results. It

> gives the

> > > results of the planet which sits with it or of the rashi in

> which it is

> > > placed. When we do a hole in body we kayam budh on our body

and

> with hole

> > > the surface of the skin also spreads or increases in the same

> manner as the

> > > person who uses more brain increases his intelligentia.

> > >

> > > geeta

> > >

> > >

> > > *varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>* wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Yograj ji,

> > >

> > > For each one of us, who is a student of Lal Kitab, Pandit ji is

> > > poojneeya, and anusarneeya. Assuming that he suggested a

> completely

> > > closed steel chaalla for budh in 12th then would you agree that

> > > Pandit ji wanted to establish budh and not Saturn?

> > >

> > > If so, don't you think we should try to find the logic behind

> this?

> > >

> > > What Pt. Lalkitabee ji has done is to prove that the intention

of

> > > Pandit ji was to establish Saturn in its purest form. In other

> words

> > > he took the help of Saturn to suppress budh because Saturn

alone

> has

> > > all the three qualities of : being a friend of mercury, one

who

> is

> > > not hostile to Jupiter and can also keep rahu in control.

> > >

> > > We are discussing the issue dispassionately and academically

and

> > > none of us can ever dream of going contrary to what Pandit ji

has

> > > said. For all of us he is the last word.

> > >

> > > But it is always better to understand the logic behind the

upaya

> so

> > > that other upaya can be devised keeping in mind the karaks and

> the

> > > principles of Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > With regards and utmost respect,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>,

> > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Acharya Lalkitabee ji Maharaj,

> > > >

> > > > Ap Lal Kitab Jyotish Mein Ek Khas Reputation Rakhtey Hain,

Jis

> Ke

> > > Aas-Paas Bhi Pahunch Paana Kum-Az-Kum Mujh Jaise Haqeer Insaan

Ke

> > > Toh Bootey Ki Baat Nahi Hai. Main Badey Adab-O-khaloos Se Do

> Baatein

> > > Kehne Ki Ijaazat Chahoonga.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Meharbani kar ke Zara Ghaur se Dekhiye ki is Nacheez ne

kya

> arz

> > > kiya hai . Jisko Ap Kaano Ki Suni Farma Rahe hain, Wo Pundit

Ji

> ke

> > > Mukharvind Se Nikla Huya Aadesh hai, Us Aadesh Ko Koyi Aur

Beshaq

> > > Kisi Tarah Bhi Ley, Magar Mere Liye Woh Utimate Aur Absolute

hai.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Mere Ajeez Dost, Ankhan Ki Dekhi Ko Maine Jis Sandarbh

Mein

> > > Istehmaal Kiya hai Meharbaani Karke Ap Usko Usi Sandarbh Mein

Hi

> > > Dekhein. Kyon Ki Agar Hum Muddey se Bahar Jakar Kori Laffazee

Aur

> > > Filmi Dialogues Baazi Mein Ulajh Jayengey to Ye Poori Ki Poori

> > > Discussion Mehaz Zehnee-Ayyashi Ban Kar Reh Jayegi.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully

> > > > Yograj Prabhakar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Respected Yograj ji

> > > > A scholar of lalkitab like u , who never goes beyond the

single

> > > word of this revered book, even who was so careful to the use

of

> > > MOOL LALKITAB that couldn't tolerated the use of words

> > > like " MASLAN " & " JAISE " (EVEN BOTH HAVE SAME MEANINGS.).Kisi

ko

> yah

> > > achchha lagaa ya nahi lekin mujhe aapkaa yah tarikaa bahut

> achchha

> > > lagaa tha.But a person who was so strict at this issue to use

of

> > > ORIGINAL BOOK. Alas! today the same person is advicing me to

> > > believe " AAANKHAN DEKHI " only. In fact there is so much written

> > > prooves r available in KAGAD KI LEKHI.

> > > > If AANKHAN KI DEKHI WAS SO SUFFIECIENT ,THEN Y & FOR

> > > WHAT WE SHUD READ LALKITAB & for what purpose it was written ?

> The

> > > person who used the word as DALDA BOOK, for the use of other

> books

> > > based upon original book & appriciated the use of original book

> > > only , even prescribed to read URDU WRITTEN book only. Today

he

> is

> > > saying to believe only AANKHAN DEKHI.

> > > > As u r saying me:- Tu kehta Kagad Ki Lekhi

> > > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki

> > > Dekhi.

> > > > I want to recall u with humble words that :- 1.KAGAD KI LEKHI

> > > IS MOST RELIABLE

> > > >

> > > 2.ANKHAN KI DEKHI IS MORE RELIABLE

> > > >

> > > 3.KAANO KI SUNI IS LESS RELIABLE

> > > > And u r confessing urself in ur mail that u r saying KAANO KI

> > > SUNI, not aankhan ki dekhi.(U can re-read ur mail for

> confirmation)

> > > > As well as my colorful artical, " U can see all colors were

used

> > > to provide a grasp to the subject, for a reader. Specially for

> them

> > > who use quotes from lalkitab. And other side i want to say

that i

> > > didnt saw Pujya Pandit Ji, but i see his image 1st of all,

which

> is

> > > available at www.originallalkitab.com ,bfor making a write-

> > > up .After this I read & use only KAGAD KI LEKHI " by Pujya

Pandit

> > > Ji ,as per my capability & understanding.AB AAP HEE KAHO KI

MAIN

> > > KAANO KI SUNI PAR BHAROSAA KAROON YA PANDIT JI KE DWARA KHUD

> LIKHI

> > > HUYEE KITAB PAR BHAROSAA KAROON.

> > > > Only Lalkitab is a live statue of Pujya Pandit Ji for

> > > me, no any other way. If there is any other way, nesseccery to

> > > confirm from lalkitab or according to the rules of lalkitab

bfor

> > > acceptance.

> > > > With Regards

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > --- In

<%

> 40>,

> > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vipin Shukla Ji,

> > > > > It is yet another very impressive and colorful description

> > > indeed Vipin Bhai. Why a Bejod Chhalla is recommended, what is

> the

> > > logic behind this remedy, how it works and how many planets are

> > > involved in the whole process is a separate issue. But I

> disagree to

> > > agree with your perception regarding the

> description/specification

> > > of a Bejod Chhalla. In my humble opinion it should be (rather

> must

> > > be) nothing but a totally seamless one, no matter whether it is

> > > prepared by cutting, molding or any other method.

> > > > >

> > > > > Believe me, my conviction is not baseless. I know many

people

> > > whom Pundit ji recommended the rings in question and strictly

> > > advised them to procure the seamless ones only. Therefore, for

me

> > > Pundit jis diktat is absolute and conclusive since I am a more

> > > practical guy rather than a theoretical one. I am quoting the

> > > following lines of Sant Kabir ji to clarify my stance

(certainty

> not

> > > intended to offend a good friend like you):

> > > > >

> > > > > Tu kehta Kagad Ki Lekhi

> > > > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki Dekhi.

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally, one humble request to you, kindly use single

color

> and

> > > font in your writings. Ornate presentations somehow diminish

the

> > > very spirit of your otherwise brilliant script.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respectfully

> > > > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > Respected Yograj ji, KiranJit Ji & Geeta ji,

> > > > > I was reading views written by all of u about BEJOD

CHHALLA.

> I

> > > have some opinion of mine & i want to share here.All of u r

> prooving

> > > the meaning of BEJOD Challa. As wel as i can say the word has

> been

> > > used for budh ,specially for khana no.12 budh.

> > > > > Bfor continue next i want to say , " Yes,every round thing

is

> not

> > > necessarily a representative of budh.But in perview of remedy

of

> > > lalkitab it will be counted of budh 1st of all , after that we

> have

> > > to see its metal etc for sub-planetry object.

> > > > > Again im coming to the point .Here is the question:-

> > > > > 1. Y Budh is remediable in 12th ?

> > > > > 2. If it is remediable , what modus operandi will be

useful ?

> > > > > 3. Y Pujya Pandit ji said Iron made BEJOD FAULAD KA

CHALLA ?

> > > > > (a).Is there was a motive to establish BUDH?

> > > > > (b)Is there was a motive to establish SATURN ?

> > > > > Ans No. 1:- In the very bigining of lalkitab has been

> written ---

> > > YAHEE CHAKKAR MAIN DAALE RAKHNE KI DUSHMANI BARHASPAT (jup.) SE

> > > BUDH KO HOGI. (Here is clear that budh is enemy of Jupiter & in

> > > khana no 12 it is NEECh, as well as there is partnership of

Neech

> > > Rahu in khana no12th so with the role of his friend rahu ,the

> Budh

> > > reveals itself to fulfil its rival nature to Jupiter,Now Neech

> budh

> > > wants to eatablish the empire of neech rahu.Bcoz if we see

> masnuyee

> > > of Budh (Guru+ Rahu) ,the we can analyze the Role of Rahu in

> 12th.

> > > In fact it spreads its mean or evil activities, so it is

> remediable

> > > Rahu to bura hogaa hee chahey asal rahu khana 6 main hee kyon

na

> > > baithaa ho aise main mandey rahu ka bhi upay budh ke upay se

> pehley

> > > kar denaa shayad hi koyee faydaa pahunchaa sakey

> > > > >

> > > > > Ans.2. Now wat to do? Clearly written in lalkitab for budh

of

> > > khana no.12 :-

> > > > > 4 CHHATHEY (6th) 9 ,12 MAAREY, 3 DOOJAA NAHI BACHTAA HO

> > > > > GURU RAAHU KHUD JAD SE KATtEY, SUKHIYAA RAANI NA RAJA HO

> > > > > SHANI RAVI KOYEE 12 BAITHEY ASAR JEHAR NA UN PAR HO.

> > > > > SAATH SAATHI GRAH SHATRU HOTE JEHAR SHANI MAIN BHARTAA HO

> > > > > Now Pujya Pandit ji used to establish Saturn at budh &

> himself

> > > said shani & Ravi will reduce the poison of Budh.In this

perview

> > > Pandit ji suggested BEJOD FAULAD KA CHHALLA (jise jod ya

taankaa

> na

> > > lagaa ho, means open ended)

> > > > > The conflict is here to know about wat is BEJOD. I saw many

> > > opinions at this. I want to say that Pandit ji could use the

> word ---

> > > dhalaayee main dhaal kar banyaa huyaa ya dhalaa hua . It was

not

> a

> > > rare word at that time.Plz read my observations with the

lalkitab

> > > verdicts.

> > > > > Ans no.3 a :- At other side clearly said --- JOD YA

TAANKAA

> NA

> > > LAGAA HO. ( It means jod or welding will include Rahu with

budh

> & it

> > > will give bad effects.) As wel as, about one peace without

joint

> or

> > > moulded ring , it will be Budh's impact at shani. Here is no

> lozic

> > > to mix budh & shani or establishing Budh

> > > > > .Ans No.3b :- Here clear lozic is to establish a planet

which

> > > may be respectful to guru & may be the friend of budh. Both

these

> > > attributes are in Saturn only. (That is why, Pujya Pandit Ji

did

> not

> > > told to wear a BEJOD-ring of silver or copper) At other side

it

> can

> > > control hidden bad activities of rahu supporting Budh. So BEJOD

> > > (Open ended)RING AT LAST FINGER (Which is directly concerned

with

> > > budh ) is a remedy. Otherwise wearing Budh for malefic

Budh ,how

> > > much proper ,all of u can analyze. Even Respected Pandit ji

> written--

> > > KHAALIS FAULAD JISE JANG (Rust = Rahu) NA LAGNE

> PAAYE…………JIS KADAR

> > > JYADAA CHAMAKDAAR SAAF SUTHRAA HOGAA USI KADAR LAMP MAIN SAAF

> > > CHIMNEY YA BIJLI KEE LEHAR KE LIYE BALB KA KAAM DEGA AUR

BHAGYA

> KI

> > > SOYEE HUYEE LEHAR KO FAURAN JAGAA DEGAA .Wat a similey used by

> > > Pandit ji …quot;Evil Electric waves of Rahu- part of Budh can

be

> modified

> > > as a light of lamp of good luck. So much equal to the power &

> use of

> > > electricity in modern age. It means pure Saturn ,even

> > > > > which would not be covered by Rahu (Rust), then how it can

be

> > > used it in the shape of Budh. All of all, only Saturn's

> > > establishment at Budh is motive there & it is clearly written

in

> > > lalkitab.

> > > > > With readings of this revered book, In my opinion--Making

> Ring

> > > completely rounded will disturb the remedy ,even it may be

TAANKE

> > > WAALI or MOULDED. Making it jointless with two ends is a

> > > establishment of saturn with a path for Jupiter into budh

under

> the

> > > supervision of Saturn.(Ya aise bola jaye ki budh ke daayre main

> > > brihaspati ki havaa ka raastaa denaa hoga. Isee vazah se hee

> Budh 12

> > > ke liye kesar ka TILAK bhi kahaa gayaa hai taaki budh ka

masnuyee

> > > walaa guru ka hissa(Part) theek ho jaye use POWER miley aur

Pujya

> > > Pandit ji ne to yah bhi likhaa hai ki RAAKH (Budh) KA TILAK

PITA

> > > (Guru) PAR BHAAREE HOGAA. Means establishment of BUDH by TILAK

of

> > > RAAKH will create distruction at all.So it is very clear that

> > > eastablishment of budh has been totally denied & once Budh is

> denied

> > > totally,how it is possible to accept as a remedial tool again,

> It is

> > > the reason that endless ring also will be denied .Or we can say

> > > Saturn is as a medium or middle-man

> > > > > there only.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards

> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Dr. Kiranjit Sahib,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So many techniques are discussed for making Joint Less

> Steel

> > > Rings, Like the Dhalayi Wala method as mentioned by you, and by

> > > cutting a pipe suggested earlier by some other colleague.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as the Dhalayi Wala method is concerned, it is

> > > perfectly alright. But there is a problem in Pipe cutting

method,

> > > most of the pipes have joint, whereas we require a seamless

pipe

> for

> > > this purpose, and seamless pipes are not easily available and

are

> > > much more costlier than the normal ones. Moreover pipes have a

> fixed

> > > inner dia like 12mm, 19mm, 25mm and so on, so making a ring by

> > > cutting pipe (even the seamless one) is not a wise idea.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The best way is to prepare the Joint less ring is by

> drilling

> > > a steel rod as per the finger thickness, this can be done on a

> lathe

> > > machine by a machine man quite easily, all you need is to find

a

> > > willing machine man.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finally, you have said that every round thing is not

> > > necessarily a representative of Budh, can you elaborate this

> point

> > > for a student like me?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With regards

> > > > > > Yograj Prabhakar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:

> > > > > > dear Friends,

> > > > > > There is no doubt that " bejod' stands for without a joint

> > > or 'tanka'(goldsmith's language) i.e. the silver bangle has to

be

> > > made by a workman who makes it by DHALAI. These workmen r now

> > > difficult to find with the result that the practiotioners of lk

> > > started talking of pipes etc.

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