Lal Kitab Discussion Group Qalam aur siyahi - Kulbir ji and Varun Ji

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Dear Kulbir ji,Cmmmon, more than a dozen top brass of Punjab administration and a lot of LK practitioners are using fountain pens provided by you, and still you are saying that you are confused on this matter? Anyways, this issue is not as complex as it may seem. We should keep two things in our mind; firstly, the heading of the chapter (page no 1123 and 1124 of Lal Kitab 1952) is Qalam Ki Syahi not Qalam Aur Syahi. Secondly, the pen in question is fountains pen not any other one. As we are all aware that mainly ink of three colors is used for different jobs. Students, clerical staff, creative writers and the common people use Black or Blue ink. The top executives for passing orders and ordinances and other similar jobs use Red Ink, the auditors and chartered accountants use the green ink for authentication or objection purposes. Pt ji advised the color or color combination of pens for all three colors of ink and vice versa. Although a

pen with red body and golden cap having red ink in it is considered as the best, but a student cannot use this pen in exams, so it will be more suitable for the top executives rather than the students. Student however can use this pen but with blue ink only. I see this whole issue in a practical way. In my humble opinion, Pundit ji provided a detailed summary cum guidelines regarding use of a particular color or color combination of pens and inks, the planets involved in such combination, and their positive or negative impacts. So one should use a best possible combination of ink and fountain pen as per his requirement or nature of job to get the maximum benefit. As far as the availably of these pens are concerned, I don’t think that it is a very difficult job. Almost all combinations of the fountain pens are available; the only thing is to located the right source. Last but not the least, Varun Sahib the views expressed by you are not

mere two cents, it a bagful of million dollar bills. accept my heartiest congratulations for this magnificent writing.RespectfullyYograj Prabhakarvarun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Dear Kulbir Bhai, My two cents ! Just assumptions; not even a hypothesis !! What should be the aim of writing: - it should be honest - it should be just and for justice - it should not hurt any one - it should be above jealousies, back-biting and denigrating any one. - it must respect

the values and uphold traditions. - it should be ‘sarv jan sukhaya’, for the benefit of all. - and so on. Now which of the planets could represent all the above qualities? Jupiter and Mars shubh. Mars shubh keeps one away from jealousies. The jupiter inculcates all the other human values listed above. That is why Pandit ji seems to have suggested a pen which has a dull red { mars shubh } body with a golden { Jupiter } cap and uses red ink { mars shubh + moon}. With regards, Varun Trivedi ps : do I see a few more cents thrown into the kitty? , "kulbirbains" <kulbirbains wrote: > > Bhai ji i can't simply afford to ignore ur aagya, i replied it the > moment i saw varun ji's message on 5-6-2007 but some how the message

> was not posted. nevertheless i am resending the message agian. bhai > ji aapki aagya par to main death bed se chala aaoun therefore > nothing can preoccupy myself then folowing ur footsteps in this > noble pursuit. > """" bhai ji; pt. ji has given a chart recommending various types of > ink and colour of the pen. earlier also i had raised the same issue > as pointed out by shri kirpal singh ji. > a significant change now a days is that most of the pens are ball > pointed thereby involving budh plus the density of the ink is quiet > high as compared to fountain pen ink. at the time when pt. ji wrote > this chapter the fountain pens too didn't had any mechanism for > storing the ink. > with all these alterations i wonder if the concept did undergo a > change plus are the type of pen and ink prescribed universally > applicable or do

they change with the positioning of planets in an > individual's horoscope. predominantly i suppose writing is > attributed to chandra. > i am very confused regarding this and pray to ur goodself, chandra > ji, shukla ji dr. kiranjit ji and prabhakar ji to resolve this > issue in general interest.""" > kulbir bains > > > , "cptyagi2007" > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kirpall singh ji, > > > > I sincerely apologise for the delay in answering your query. > Normally all queries are answered the same day. > > > > Since Kulbir bhai seems to be busy. Therefore I would try to > answer your query. > > > > Yes, Pandit ji was very particular about the color of the

fountain > > pen he used and the color of the ink. I have been told that he > > always used a pen of a red body with a golden cap. He always used > > red ink to write with. > > > > If I categorize the color of the fountain pen / ball pen along with > > the color of the ink in order of preference it would be some thing > > like this : > > > > [ 1 ] pen with a not shining red body with a golden cap using red > > ink. > > > > [ Since the red ink is prohibited for use in various spheres of > > life, this can not be a real choice any way; except for private use > > at home} > > > > [ 2 ] pen with a not shining red body with a golden cap using > blue > > ink. > > > > [ 3 ] pen with a yellow body with red ink { not practical, red ink > >

may not be allowed at places } > > > > [ 4 ] pen with yellow body with blue ink > > > > [ 5 ] black pen with blue ink > > > > With regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > Some time ago I had read a beautiful write up from you on this > > > topic. I was wondering if you could answer this query of shri > > > Kirpall Singh ji. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , "kirpallsingh" > > > <kps1945@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > I am just a new enterant to this group. > > > > I am interested in knowing what is your opinion on the chapter > > in > > > > LalKitab on " Kalam aur siyahi". How serious should one take it > > > knowing > > > > that in present times pens are made of exquisite designs and > > they > > > are > > > > being commonly used by one and all. > > > > Thanks > > > > Kirpall Singh > > > > > > > > > >

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