Gifting clothes to kanyas for Moon in 2nd

[Guest guest]

Dear Girish ji and Respected Umesh Sharma ji,

 

Some time back Pt. Umesh Sharma ji { a Lal Kitab scholar} had also

asked me the same question during one of our conversations.

 

Yes, the Lal Kitab does advise to give young girls green clothes for

40/43 days regularly for Moon in the 2nd house. But you have to

understand the context in which it has been advised.

 

Page # 379 { page end } of 1952 ed and page # 126 of Arun Sanhita says.

 

‘ ab beshaq brihaspati aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain magar

phir bhi bakari doodh degi megane dal kar, yani karobar mein barqat

hogi to sahi magar ragde-jhagde ke baad. …. Sabz rang [ budh] kapara

[chandra] larkiyon [ budh] ko 40/43 din tak lagataar dete jana budh ke

zahar ko dhoyega’ ….. profession, career or business would have

tussles and may not be smooth … gifting green clothes to young girls

will wash away the poison of mercury.

 

This result and the subsequent upaya is not contained in the earlier

editions of the Lal Kitab.

 

This advice comes when the Moon is placed in the 2nd house and at the

same time the mercury is placed in the 3rd while the Jupiter is placed

in the 9th house. That is the context.

 

Now we have to understand the relationship of these planets and also

as to how the mercury is afflicting the moon. The upaya of appeasing

the mercury suggested in the Lal Kitab will not make sense unless we

know how the moon gets afflicted by mercury.

 

When the Moon is placed in the 2nd house the book says, “ chandra

uttam tatha uchcha phal aur brihaspati khana # 2 ka nek phal saath

hoga’ …the result of Jupiter of the 2nd house will also be

assimilated in the moon. Therefore for practical purposes the moon

will also be affected according to the status of Jupiter.

 

Now in the context stated above, the mercury posited in the 3rd house

is adversely afflicting the Jupiter placed in the 9th through its

aspect.

 

Once the Jupiter gets adversely afflicted by mercury, the effect gets

carried to the moon because the result of Jupiter is already included

in the moon [ brahaspati ka phal bhi saath hoga] . And hence the

adverse results accrue.

 

Therefore the upaya to appease the mercury, the planet afflicting

Jupiter an associate component of moon in the 2nd house, has been

suggested.

 

Just one last word about the upaya:

 

The Lal Kitab suggests “ sabz rang {budh} kapara {moon} larkiyon {budh}

….†There should be a modification done here. The green cloth to be

gifted to the young girls should be of silk then only it will

represent the moon.

 

Finally explaining the controversy about this upaya and where possibly

it arose from.

 

With moon in the 2nd and the jupiter in the 9th the book says, " ab

beshaq brihaspti aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain... " . Now

according to the rules the 'wahami madad' is when the planets are

placed navam-pancham { 9th-5th} to each other. But in this case the

moon and the jupiter are placed shatashtak {6th-8th} to each other.

 

The 'wahami madad' to the moon from the jupiter can be only if the

jupiter were placed in the 10th house, but that is not so.

 

Then why did Pandit ji say that " donon wahami madad par hain " . I

believe that by 'wahami madad' Pandit ji meant 'brahaspti khana #2 ka

nek phal saath hoga' and not in the technical sense of the navam-

pancham placement.

 

If some one believes that there is a misprint in the book and the

Jupiter should be considered as placed in the 10th house, then also

the upaya makes sense because then the jupiter will be in a takrav {

conflict} position with the mercury placed in the 3rd house and hence

afflicted.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " girish_raheja "

<girish_raheja wrote:

>

> Respected Sirs,

>

> I have been told that the Lal Kitab advises to gift clothes to young

> girls if the Moon is placed in the 2nd house.

>

> How did mercury get associated with the 2nd house and the Moon ?

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Girish Raheja

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Varun bhai,

 

What if we consider that there were two printing mistakes instead of

one?

Suppose the upaya was suggested for moon in the 2nd when mercury is

placed in the 4th and the jupiter in the 10th?

 

In this case the mercury will have affected the moon by being in its

jar and the upaya will make all the more sense.

 

Affectionately,

 

Chandra Prakash

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Dear Girish ji and Respected Umesh Sharma ji,

>

> Some time back Pt. Umesh Sharma ji { a Lal Kitab scholar} had also

> asked me the same question during one of our conversations.

>

> Yes, the Lal Kitab does advise to give young girls green clothes

for

> 40/43 days regularly for Moon in the 2nd house. But you have to

> understand the context in which it has been advised.

>

> Page # 379 { page end } of 1952 ed and page # 126 of Arun Sanhita

says.

>

> ‘ ab beshaq brihaspati aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain

magar

> phir bhi bakari doodh degi megane dal kar, yani karobar mein

barqat

> hogi to sahi magar ragde-jhagde ke baad. …. Sabz rang [ budh]

kapara

> [chandra] larkiyon [ budh] ko 40/43 din tak lagataar dete jana

budh ke

> zahar ko dhoyega’ ….. profession, career or business would have

> tussles and may not be smooth … gifting green clothes to young

girls

> will wash away the poison of mercury.

>

> This result and the subsequent upaya is not contained in the

earlier

> editions of the Lal Kitab.

>

> This advice comes when the Moon is placed in the 2nd house and at

the

> same time the mercury is placed in the 3rd while the Jupiter is

placed

> in the 9th house. That is the context.

>

> Now we have to understand the relationship of these planets and

also

> as to how the mercury is afflicting the moon. The upaya of

appeasing

> the mercury suggested in the Lal Kitab will not make sense unless

we

> know how the moon gets afflicted by mercury.

>

> When the Moon is placed in the 2nd house the book says, “ chandra

> uttam tatha uchcha phal aur brihaspati khana # 2 ka nek phal saath

> hoga’ …the result of Jupiter of the 2nd house will also be

> assimilated in the moon. Therefore for practical purposes the moon

> will also be affected according to the status of Jupiter.

>

> Now in the context stated above, the mercury posited in the 3rd

house

> is adversely afflicting the Jupiter placed in the 9th through its

> aspect.

>

> Once the Jupiter gets adversely afflicted by mercury, the effect

gets

> carried to the moon because the result of Jupiter is already

included

> in the moon [ brahaspati ka phal bhi saath hoga] . And hence the

> adverse results accrue.

>

> Therefore the upaya to appease the mercury, the planet afflicting

> Jupiter an associate component of moon in the 2nd house, has been

> suggested.

>

> Just one last word about the upaya:

>

> The Lal Kitab suggests “ sabz rang {budh} kapara {moon} larkiyon

{budh}

> ….†There should be a modification done here. The green cloth to

be

> gifted to the young girls should be of silk then only it will

> represent the moon.

>

> Finally explaining the controversy about this upaya and where

possibly

> it arose from.

>

> With moon in the 2nd and the jupiter in the 9th the book says, "

ab

> beshaq brihaspti aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain... " . Now

> according to the rules the 'wahami madad' is when the planets are

> placed navam-pancham { 9th-5th} to each other. But in this case

the

> moon and the jupiter are placed shatashtak {6th-8th} to each

other.

>

> The 'wahami madad' to the moon from the jupiter can be only if the

> jupiter were placed in the 10th house, but that is not so.

>

> Then why did Pandit ji say that " donon wahami madad par hain " . I

> believe that by 'wahami madad' Pandit ji meant 'brahaspti khana #2

ka

> nek phal saath hoga' and not in the technical sense of the navam-

> pancham placement.

>

> If some one believes that there is a misprint in the book and the

> Jupiter should be considered as placed in the 10th house, then

also

> the upaya makes sense because then the jupiter will be in a takrav

{

> conflict} position with the mercury placed in the 3rd house and

hence

> afflicted.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sirs,

> >

> > I have been told that the Lal Kitab advises to gift clothes to

young

> > girls if the Moon is placed in the 2nd house.

> >

> > How did mercury get associated with the 2nd house and the Moon ?

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandra,

 

No. I do not think so.

 

In either of the two scenarios : mercury in the 3rd and jupiter in

the 10th or mercury in the 4th and the jupiter in the 10th; Pandit

ji must have suggested some upaya for the jupiter in the 10th as

well.

 

Since in this context he had not suggested any upaya for the jupiter

in the 10th house, I do not believe that jupiter can be considered

as placed in the 10th house.

 

Therefore I consider neither of the two scenarios as a part of this

context.

 

Yes, these two scenarios that you mention might form other contexts.

 

{i}Moon in the 2nd and mercury in the 3rd with jupiter in the 10th.

{ii} moon in the 2nd and the mercury in the 4th and the jupiter in

the 10th.

 

If that were so then upaya for the above two scenarios will have to

include an upaya for jupiter in the 10th house also.

 

Therefore I believe that there is no printing mistake and by 'wahami

madad' Pandit ji meant that the 'brahaspati khana #2 ka nek phal

saath hoga'

 

With affection,

 

Varun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " cptyagi2007 "

<cptyagi2007 wrote:

>

> Dear Varun bhai,

>

> What if we consider that there were two printing mistakes instead

of

> one?

> Suppose the upaya was suggested for moon in the 2nd when mercury

is

> placed in the 4th and the jupiter in the 10th?

>

> In this case the mercury will have affected the moon by being in

its

> jar and the upaya will make all the more sense.

>

> Affectionately,

>

> Chandra Prakash

>

>

>

>

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Girish ji and Respected Umesh Sharma ji,

> >

> > Some time back Pt. Umesh Sharma ji { a Lal Kitab scholar} had

also

> > asked me the same question during one of our conversations.

> >

> > Yes, the Lal Kitab does advise to give young girls green clothes

> for

> > 40/43 days regularly for Moon in the 2nd house. But you have to

> > understand the context in which it has been advised.

> >

> > Page # 379 { page end } of 1952 ed and page # 126 of Arun

Sanhita

> says.

> >

> > ‘ ab beshaq brihaspati aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain

> magar

> > phir bhi bakari doodh degi megane dal kar, yani karobar mein

> barqat

> > hogi to sahi magar ragde-jhagde ke baad. …. Sabz rang [ budh]

> kapara

> > [chandra] larkiyon [ budh] ko 40/43 din tak lagataar dete jana

> budh ke

> > zahar ko dhoyega’ ….. profession, career or business would

have

> > tussles and may not be smooth … gifting green clothes to young

> girls

> > will wash away the poison of mercury.

> >

> > This result and the subsequent upaya is not contained in the

> earlier

> > editions of the Lal Kitab.

> >

> > This advice comes when the Moon is placed in the 2nd house and

at

> the

> > same time the mercury is placed in the 3rd while the Jupiter is

> placed

> > in the 9th house. That is the context.

> >

> > Now we have to understand the relationship of these planets and

> also

> > as to how the mercury is afflicting the moon. The upaya of

> appeasing

> > the mercury suggested in the Lal Kitab will not make sense

unless

> we

> > know how the moon gets afflicted by mercury.

> >

> > When the Moon is placed in the 2nd house the book says, “

chandra

> > uttam tatha uchcha phal aur brihaspati khana # 2 ka nek phal

saath

> > hoga’ …the result of Jupiter of the 2nd house will also be

> > assimilated in the moon. Therefore for practical purposes the

moon

> > will also be affected according to the status of Jupiter.

> >

> > Now in the context stated above, the mercury posited in the 3rd

> house

> > is adversely afflicting the Jupiter placed in the 9th through

its

> > aspect.

> >

> > Once the Jupiter gets adversely afflicted by mercury, the effect

> gets

> > carried to the moon because the result of Jupiter is already

> included

> > in the moon [ brahaspati ka phal bhi saath hoga] . And hence the

> > adverse results accrue.

> >

> > Therefore the upaya to appease the mercury, the planet

afflicting

> > Jupiter an associate component of moon in the 2nd house, has

been

> > suggested.

> >

> > Just one last word about the upaya:

> >

> > The Lal Kitab suggests “ sabz rang {budh} kapara {moon} larkiyon

> {budh}

> > ….†There should be a modification done here. The green cloth to

> be

> > gifted to the young girls should be of silk then only it will

> > represent the moon.

> >

> > Finally explaining the controversy about this upaya and where

> possibly

> > it arose from.

> >

> > With moon in the 2nd and the jupiter in the 9th the book says, "

> ab

> > beshaq brihaspti aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain... " .

Now

> > according to the rules the 'wahami madad' is when the planets

are

> > placed navam-pancham { 9th-5th} to each other. But in this case

> the

> > moon and the jupiter are placed shatashtak {6th-8th} to each

> other.

> >

> > The 'wahami madad' to the moon from the jupiter can be only if

the

> > jupiter were placed in the 10th house, but that is not so.

> >

> > Then why did Pandit ji say that " donon wahami madad par hain " .

I

> > believe that by 'wahami madad' Pandit ji meant 'brahaspti khana

#2

> ka

> > nek phal saath hoga' and not in the technical sense of the navam-

> > pancham placement.

> >

> > If some one believes that there is a misprint in the book and

the

> > Jupiter should be considered as placed in the 10th house, then

> also

> > the upaya makes sense because then the jupiter will be in a

takrav

> {

> > conflict} position with the mercury placed in the 3rd house and

> hence

> > afflicted.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " girish_raheja "

> > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sirs,

> > >

> > > I have been told that the Lal Kitab advises to gift clothes to

> young

> > > girls if the Moon is placed in the 2nd house.

> > >

> > > How did mercury get associated with the 2nd house and the

Moon ?

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > >

> > > Girish Raheja

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

bhai ji very elaborate explanation but does moon repsresents kapada specially in house no.2 kulbir bainsvarun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Dear Girish ji and Respected Umesh Sharma ji,Some time back Pt. Umesh Sharma ji { a Lal Kitab scholar} had also asked me the same question during one of our conversations.Yes, the Lal Kitab does advise to give young girls green clothes for 40/43 days regularly for Moon in the 2nd house. But you have to understand the context in which

it has been advised.Page # 379 { page end } of 1952 ed and page # 126 of Arun Sanhita says.‘ ab beshaq brihaspati aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain magar phir bhi bakari doodh degi megane dal kar, yani karobar mein barqat hogi to sahi magar ragde-jhagde ke baad. …. Sabz rang [ budh] kapara [chandra] larkiyon [ budh] ko 40/43 din tak lagataar dete jana budh ke zahar ko dhoyega’ ….. profession, career or business would have tussles and may not be smooth … gifting green clothes to young girls will wash away the poison of mercury.This result and the subsequent upaya is not contained in the earlier editions of the Lal Kitab.This advice comes when the Moon is placed in the 2nd house and at the same time the mercury is placed in the 3rd while the Jupiter is placed in the 9th house. That is the context.Now we have to understand the relationship of these planets and also as to how the

mercury is afflicting the moon. The upaya of appeasing the mercury suggested in the Lal Kitab will not make sense unless we know how the moon gets afflicted by mercury.When the Moon is placed in the 2nd house the book says, “ chandra uttam tatha uchcha phal aur brihaspati khana # 2 ka nek phal saath hoga’ …the result of Jupiter of the 2nd house will also be assimilated in the moon. Therefore for practical purposes the moon will also be affected according to the status of Jupiter.Now in the context stated above, the mercury posited in the 3rd house is adversely afflicting the Jupiter placed in the 9th through its aspect.Once the Jupiter gets adversely afflicted by mercury, the effect gets carried to the moon because the result of Jupiter is already included in the moon [ brahaspati ka phal bhi saath hoga] . And hence the adverse results accrue. Therefore the upaya to appease the mercury, the

planet afflicting Jupiter an associate component of moon in the 2nd house, has been suggested.Just one last word about the upaya: The Lal Kitab suggests “ sabz rang {budh} kapara {moon} larkiyon {budh}….†There should be a modification done here. The green cloth to be gifted to the young girls should be of silk then only it will represent the moon.Finally explaining the controversy about this upaya and where possibly it arose from.With moon in the 2nd and the jupiter in the 9th the book says, " ab beshaq brihaspti aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain..." . Now according to the rules the 'wahami madad' is when the planets are placed navam-pancham { 9th-5th} to each other. But in this case the moon and the jupiter are placed shatashtak {6th-8th} to each other. The 'wahami madad' to the moon from the jupiter can be only if the jupiter were placed in the 10th house, but that is not

so.Then why did Pandit ji say that " donon wahami madad par hain". I believe that by 'wahami madad' Pandit ji meant 'brahaspti khana #2 ka nek phal saath hoga' and not in the technical sense of the navam-pancham placement.If some one believes that there is a misprint in the book and the Jupiter should be considered as placed in the 10th house, then also the upaya makes sense because then the jupiter will be in a takrav { conflict} position with the mercury placed in the 3rd house and hence afflicted.Regards,Varun Trivedi , "girish_raheja" <girish_raheja wrote:>> Respected Sirs,> > I have been told that the Lal Kitab advises to gift clothes to young > girls if the Moon is placed in the 2nd house.> > How did mercury get associated

with the 2nd house and the Moon ?> > Respectfully,> > Girish Raheja>Kulbir Bains

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Dear Kulbir bhai,

 

Respected Pandit ji himself has used kapara for moon in the line

which I have quoted from the book as such:

 

" Sabz rang [ budh] kapara [chandra] larkiyon [ budh] ko 40/43 din

tak lagataar dete jana budh ke zahar ko dhoyega " page 379 bottom

 

The karak planets mentioned in the brackets are by Pandit ji

himself and are not my additions.

 

 

My addition to the above is :

 

If moon represents kapara as Pandit ji has mentioned then it has to

be of silk and not cotton.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, kulbir bains

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> bhai ji very elaborate explanation but does moon repsresents

kapada specially in house no.2

> kulbir bains

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> Dear Girish ji and Respected Umesh Sharma ji,

>

> Some time back Pt. Umesh Sharma ji { a Lal Kitab scholar} had also

> asked me the same question during one of our conversations.

>

> Yes, the Lal Kitab does advise to give young girls green clothes

for

> 40/43 days regularly for Moon in the 2nd house. But you have to

> understand the context in which it has been advised.

>

> Page # 379 { page end } of 1952 ed and page # 126 of Arun Sanhita

says.

>

> ‘ ab beshaq brihaspati aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain

magar

> phir bhi bakari doodh degi megane dal kar, yani karobar mein

barqat

> hogi to sahi magar ragde-jhagde ke baad. …. Sabz rang [ budh]

kapara

> [chandra] larkiyon [ budh] ko 40/43 din tak lagataar dete jana

budh ke

> zahar ko dhoyega’ ….. profession, career or business would have

> tussles and may not be smooth … gifting green clothes to young

girls

> will wash away the poison of mercury.

>

> This result and the subsequent upaya is not contained in the

earlier

> editions of the Lal Kitab.

>

> This advice comes when the Moon is placed in the 2nd house and at

the

> same time the mercury is placed in the 3rd while the Jupiter is

placed

> in the 9th house. That is the context.

>

> Now we have to understand the relationship of these planets and

also

> as to how the mercury is afflicting the moon. The upaya of

appeasing

> the mercury suggested in the Lal Kitab will not make sense unless

we

> know how the moon gets afflicted by mercury.

>

> When the Moon is placed in the 2nd house the book says, “ chandra

> uttam tatha uchcha phal aur brihaspati khana # 2 ka nek phal saath

> hoga’ …the result of Jupiter of the 2nd house will also be

> assimilated in the moon. Therefore for practical purposes the moon

> will also be affected according to the status of Jupiter.

>

> Now in the context stated above, the mercury posited in the 3rd

house

> is adversely afflicting the Jupiter placed in the 9th through its

> aspect.

>

> Once the Jupiter gets adversely afflicted by mercury, the effect

gets

> carried to the moon because the result of Jupiter is already

included

> in the moon [ brahaspati ka phal bhi saath hoga] . And hence the

> adverse results accrue.

>

> Therefore the upaya to appease the mercury, the planet afflicting

> Jupiter an associate component of moon in the 2nd house, has been

> suggested.

>

> Just one last word about the upaya:

>

> The Lal Kitab suggests “ sabz rang {budh} kapara {moon} larkiyon

{budh}

> ….†There should be a modification done here. The green cloth to

be

> gifted to the young girls should be of silk then only it will

> represent the moon.

>

> Finally explaining the controversy about this upaya and where

possibly

> it arose from.

>

> With moon in the 2nd and the jupiter in the 9th the book says, "

ab

> beshaq brihaspti aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain... " . Now

> according to the rules the 'wahami madad' is when the planets are

> placed navam-pancham { 9th-5th} to each other. But in this case

the

> moon and the jupiter are placed shatashtak {6th-8th} to each

other.

>

> The 'wahami madad' to the moon from the jupiter can be only if the

> jupiter were placed in the 10th house, but that is not so.

>

> Then why did Pandit ji say that " donon wahami madad par hain " . I

> believe that by 'wahami madad' Pandit ji meant 'brahaspti khana #2

ka

> nek phal saath hoga' and not in the technical sense of the navam-

> pancham placement.

>

> If some one believes that there is a misprint in the book and the

> Jupiter should be considered as placed in the 10th house, then

also

> the upaya makes sense because then the jupiter will be in a takrav

{

> conflict} position with the mercury placed in the 3rd house and

hence

> afflicted.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " girish_raheja "

> <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sirs,

> >

> > I have been told that the Lal Kitab advises to gift clothes to

young

> > girls if the Moon is placed in the 2nd house.

> >

> > How did mercury get associated with the 2nd house and the Moon ?

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > Girish Raheja

> >

Kulbir Bains

>

>

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Trivedi sir & Tyagi sir,

 

Thank you for such an excellent explanation. Just superb.

 

With respect and regards,

 

Girish Raheja

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Dear Chandra,

>

> No. I do not think so.

>

> In either of the two scenarios : mercury in the 3rd and jupiter in

> the 10th or mercury in the 4th and the jupiter in the 10th; Pandit

> ji must have suggested some upaya for the jupiter in the 10th as

> well.

>

> Since in this context he had not suggested any upaya for the

jupiter

> in the 10th house, I do not believe that jupiter can be considered

> as placed in the 10th house.

>

> Therefore I consider neither of the two scenarios as a part of

this

> context.

>

> Yes, these two scenarios that you mention might form other

contexts.

>

> {i}Moon in the 2nd and mercury in the 3rd with jupiter in the 10th.

> {ii} moon in the 2nd and the mercury in the 4th and the jupiter in

> the 10th.

>

> If that were so then upaya for the above two scenarios will have

to

> include an upaya for jupiter in the 10th house also.

>

> Therefore I believe that there is no printing mistake and

by 'wahami

> madad' Pandit ji meant that the 'brahaspati khana #2 ka nek phal

> saath hoga'

>

> With affection,

>

> Varun

>

>

, " cptyagi2007 "

> <cptyagi2007@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun bhai,

> >

> > What if we consider that there were two printing mistakes

instead

> of

> > one?

> > Suppose the upaya was suggested for moon in the 2nd when

mercury

> is

> > placed in the 4th and the jupiter in the 10th?

> >

> > In this case the mercury will have affected the moon by being in

> its

> > jar and the upaya will make all the more sense.

> >

> > Affectionately,

> >

> > Chandra Prakash

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Girish ji and Respected Umesh Sharma ji,

> > >

> > > Some time back Pt. Umesh Sharma ji { a Lal Kitab scholar} had

> also

> > > asked me the same question during one of our conversations.

> > >

> > > Yes, the Lal Kitab does advise to give young girls green

clothes

> > for

> > > 40/43 days regularly for Moon in the 2nd house. But you have

to

> > > understand the context in which it has been advised.

> > >

> > > Page # 379 { page end } of 1952 ed and page # 126 of Arun

> Sanhita

> > says.

> > >

> > > ‘ ab beshaq brihaspati aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain

> > magar

> > > phir bhi bakari doodh degi megane dal kar, yani karobar mein

> > barqat

> > > hogi to sahi magar ragde-jhagde ke baad. …. Sabz rang [

budh]

> > kapara

> > > [chandra] larkiyon [ budh] ko 40/43 din tak lagataar dete jana

> > budh ke

> > > zahar ko dhoyega’ ….. profession, career or business would

> have

> > > tussles and may not be smooth … gifting green clothes to

young

> > girls

> > > will wash away the poison of mercury.

> > >

> > > This result and the subsequent upaya is not contained in the

> > earlier

> > > editions of the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > This advice comes when the Moon is placed in the 2nd house and

> at

> > the

> > > same time the mercury is placed in the 3rd while the Jupiter

is

> > placed

> > > in the 9th house. That is the context.

> > >

> > > Now we have to understand the relationship of these planets

and

> > also

> > > as to how the mercury is afflicting the moon. The upaya of

> > appeasing

> > > the mercury suggested in the Lal Kitab will not make sense

> unless

> > we

> > > know how the moon gets afflicted by mercury.

> > >

> > > When the Moon is placed in the 2nd house the book says, “

> chandra

> > > uttam tatha uchcha phal aur brihaspati khana # 2 ka nek phal

> saath

> > > hoga’ …the result of Jupiter of the 2nd house will also be

> > > assimilated in the moon. Therefore for practical purposes the

> moon

> > > will also be affected according to the status of Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Now in the context stated above, the mercury posited in the

3rd

> > house

> > > is adversely afflicting the Jupiter placed in the 9th through

> its

> > > aspect.

> > >

> > > Once the Jupiter gets adversely afflicted by mercury, the

effect

> > gets

> > > carried to the moon because the result of Jupiter is already

> > included

> > > in the moon [ brahaspati ka phal bhi saath hoga] . And hence

the

> > > adverse results accrue.

> > >

> > > Therefore the upaya to appease the mercury, the planet

> afflicting

> > > Jupiter an associate component of moon in the 2nd house, has

> been

> > > suggested.

> > >

> > > Just one last word about the upaya:

> > >

> > > The Lal Kitab suggests “ sabz rang {budh} kapara {moon}

larkiyon

> > {budh}

> > > ….†There should be a modification done here. The green cloth

to

> > be

> > > gifted to the young girls should be of silk then only it will

> > > represent the moon.

> > >

> > > Finally explaining the controversy about this upaya and where

> > possibly

> > > it arose from.

> > >

> > > With moon in the 2nd and the jupiter in the 9th the book

says, "

> > ab

> > > beshaq brihaspti aur chandra donon wahami madad par hain... " .

> Now

> > > according to the rules the 'wahami madad' is when the planets

> are

> > > placed navam-pancham { 9th-5th} to each other. But in this

case

> > the

> > > moon and the jupiter are placed shatashtak {6th-8th} to each

> > other.

> > >

> > > The 'wahami madad' to the moon from the jupiter can be only if

> the

> > > jupiter were placed in the 10th house, but that is not so.

> > >

> > > Then why did Pandit ji say that " donon wahami madad par

hain " .

> I

> > > believe that by 'wahami madad' Pandit ji meant 'brahaspti

khana

> #2

> > ka

> > > nek phal saath hoga' and not in the technical sense of the

navam-

> > > pancham placement.

> > >

> > > If some one believes that there is a misprint in the book and

> the

> > > Jupiter should be considered as placed in the 10th house, then

> > also

> > > the upaya makes sense because then the jupiter will be in a

> takrav

> > {

> > > conflict} position with the mercury placed in the 3rd house

and

> > hence

> > > afflicted.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " girish_raheja "

> > > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > I have been told that the Lal Kitab advises to gift clothes

to

> > young

> > > > girls if the Moon is placed in the 2nd house.

> > > >

> > > > How did mercury get associated with the 2nd house and the

> Moon ?

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully,

> > > >

> > > > Girish Raheja

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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dear varun ji, to donate silk cothes for 40-43 days shall certainly be a costly affair.the number of articles is not disclosed; it shall be atleast a shirt, trouser and a dupatta.R u sure respected paundit ji would have advised such a costly remedy. He believed in very simple and cost effective remedies which every person in distres could manage to do. "kapda" could very well mean the clothes of the material being used in routine. it is also difficult to wear silk clothes in certain weathers. Analytically , your surmise is absolutely right. May be some gurujans and seniors who may have put this remedy into practice can guide. with best wishes, sincerely, kiranjeet

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Dear Kiranjit Kumar ji,

 

Pandit ji has recommended only ‘kapara’ and has not defined

which ‘kapara’. Since Panditji himself mentioned the word moon in

the bracket, therefore the ‘kapara’ has to be the one which

represents moon. Therefore I added on my own that if a cloth is to

be gifted it has to be of silk because then only it will represent

moon.

 

In the section of venus+moon Pandit ji has made it very clear that

a silk cloth will represent moon where as a cotton cloth will

represent Venus.

 

Now coming to the cost part of it:

 

Yes you are very right that the intrinsic spirit of all Lal Kitab

upaya is that they should not be expensive and should be within the

financial reach of the native. Every practicing astrologer of the

Lal Kitab has to keep it in mind. That could be the reason for

suggesting haldi tilak in place of a saffron tilak; and for those

who are rich and can afford a saffron tilak, that should be

suggested.

 

Now in the above case, one can give a pair of green clothes once and

then keep giving the substitute karaks of the moon for the rest of

the days. On the 43rd day he can gift the green clothes once again

to round off the upaya. This way it may not be some thing beyond the

means of a common man.

 

With regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, kiranjit kumar

<kapatjal wrote:

>

> dear varun ji,

> to donate silk cothes for 40-43 days shall certainly be a costly

affair.the number of articles is not disclosed; it shall be atleast

a shirt, trouser and a dupatta.R u sure respected paundit ji would

have advised such a costly remedy. He believed in very simple and

cost effective remedies which every person in distres could manage

to do.

> " kapda " could very well mean the clothes of the material being

used in routine. it is also difficult to wear silk clothes in

certain weathers. Analytically , your surmise is absolutely right.

> May be some gurujans and seniors who may have put this remedy

into practice can guide.

> with best wishes,

> sincerely,

> kiranjeet

>

>

>

>

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