Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear Yangaldas ji, I do not think that ketu can make much of a difference in this context. It will largely depend on the house this combination is placed. If it is in the 1st house then the sun will be very strong and Saturn will be very weak, on the contrary if it occurs in the 7th house then the Saturn will be very strong and the sun will be very weak. In this case the help of Moon alone can make a difference because the saturn + the sun form malefic Rahu. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " yangaldaspk " <yangaldaspk wrote: > > Dear Varunji > > I understand when saturn and sun together in a single house, being > enemy planets may not yield good results. If ketu is combined with > saturn and sun in a single house, can that be considered as ketu > assisting saturn beneficially, and thus saturn becoming much more > stronger than the sun with telling effect on that house. > > Kind regards > > Pavan Kumar > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sorabh ji, > > > > In the first place there is no conflict regarding the two upaya > you > > have mentioned. Both of them are valid upaya for Saturn in the 3rd > > house, but for two different situations. Incidentally it is not > > donating medicine to the blind, it is donating medicine to those > with > > eye ailments. Blinds may not need it because they might have gone > > beyond the medicine stage. > > > > You should always remember that there is never one single upaya > for > > any planet in any house. The upaya depends on the context the > planet > > is placed in i.e. depending on the placement of the other planets > in > > the horoscope. > > > > Therefore take it out of your thinking that Lal Kitab is a system > > where ‘X’ planet in ‘Y’ house = a ‘Z’ upaya. > > > > Saturn in the 3rd house can give malefic results, generally > speaking, > > under these three conditions : > > > > [ a ] When the sun is in the 3rd or 5th house. > > [ b ] When the moon is placed in the 10th house > > [ c ] When the Saturn is either with its enemies { sun, > moon,mars } > > or afflicted by them. > > > > If you notice, from the above, there could be more than half a > dozen > > upaya for Saturn in the 3rd house. It depends on the astrologer > and > > his skill to devise an upaya best suited to the situation. > > > > Now coming to your query as to why it has been suggested that the > help > > of Ketu be taken. Well, Saturn starts giving benefic results in > the > > company of Ketu or when ketu helps the Saturn. > > > > For Saturn+Ketu the book says ‘ shani ke saath ketu neki ka > farishta > > hoga’. It further says, ‘ uttam mubarik dono ikatthe , lekh > shani par > > chalta ho’. > > > > That is the reason why it has been advised that the help of Ketu > > should be taken in some cases. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mrsorabhsharma " > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends > > > > > > I have heard two conflicting views on how to remedy a malefic > saturn > > > in the third house. The first being donation of eye medicine to > the > > > blind and the second being remedies through ketu. Can anyone > explain > > > the logic of doing a ketu remedy for saturn in the third house? > > Thanks > > > in advance > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Sorabh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Varun ji Understood, Saturn and the sun together form a malefic Rahu. If that malefic rahu due to this combination existing in the 1st house and also being aspected by Rahu in the 7th house, what can be inferenced. I also understand that the help of Moon alone can make a difference on the combination of saturn and sun. Now, if the moon is in its pacca ghar will that help the sun-saturn combination on a positive note. Kind regards Pavan Kumar , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Yangaldas ji, > > I do not think that ketu can make much of a difference in this > context. It will largely depend on the house this combination is > placed. If it is in the 1st house then the sun will be very strong > and Saturn will be very weak, on the contrary if it occurs in the > 7th house then the Saturn will be very strong and the sun will be > very weak. > In this case the help of Moon alone can make a difference because > the saturn + the sun form malefic Rahu. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " yangaldaspk " > <yangaldaspk@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varunji > > > > I understand when saturn and sun together in a single house, being > > enemy planets may not yield good results. If ketu is combined with > > saturn and sun in a single house, can that be considered as ketu > > assisting saturn beneficially, and thus saturn becoming much more > > stronger than the sun with telling effect on that house. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Pavan Kumar > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji, > > > > > > In the first place there is no conflict regarding the two upaya > > you > > > have mentioned. Both of them are valid upaya for Saturn in the > 3rd > > > house, but for two different situations. Incidentally it is not > > > donating medicine to the blind, it is donating medicine to those > > with > > > eye ailments. Blinds may not need it because they might have > gone > > > beyond the medicine stage. > > > > > > You should always remember that there is never one single upaya > > for > > > any planet in any house. The upaya depends on the context the > > planet > > > is placed in i.e. depending on the placement of the other > planets > > in > > > the horoscope. > > > > > > Therefore take it out of your thinking that Lal Kitab is a > system > > > where ‘X’ planet in ‘Y’ house = a ‘Z’ upaya. > > > > > > Saturn in the 3rd house can give malefic results, generally > > speaking, > > > under these three conditions : > > > > > > [ a ] When the sun is in the 3rd or 5th house. > > > [ b ] When the moon is placed in the 10th house > > > [ c ] When the Saturn is either with its enemies { sun, > > moon,mars } > > > or afflicted by them. > > > > > > If you notice, from the above, there could be more than half a > > dozen > > > upaya for Saturn in the 3rd house. It depends on the astrologer > > and > > > his skill to devise an upaya best suited to the situation. > > > > > > Now coming to your query as to why it has been suggested that > the > > help > > > of Ketu be taken. Well, Saturn starts giving benefic results in > > the > > > company of Ketu or when ketu helps the Saturn. > > > > > > For Saturn+Ketu the book says ‘ shani ke saath ketu neki ka > > farishta > > > hoga’. It further says, ‘ uttam mubarik dono ikatthe , lekh > > shani par > > > chalta ho’. > > > > > > That is the reason why it has been advised that the help of Ketu > > > should be taken in some cases. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mrsorabhsharma " > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends > > > > > > > > I have heard two conflicting views on how to remedy a malefic > > saturn > > > > in the third house. The first being donation of eye medicine > to > > the > > > > blind and the second being remedies through ketu. Can anyone > > explain > > > > the logic of doing a ketu remedy for saturn in the third > house? > > > Thanks > > > > in advance > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Sorabh > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Yangaldas ji, In this group we discuss the concepts and principles. You seem to be talking about your own individual horoscope. This is not a place to discuss it. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " yangaldaspk " <yangaldaspk wrote: > > Dear Varun ji > > Understood, Saturn and the sun together form a malefic Rahu. If that > malefic rahu due to this combination existing in the 1st house and > also being aspected by Rahu in the 7th house, what can be inferenced. > > I also understand that the help of Moon alone can make a difference > on the combination of saturn and sun. Now, if the moon is in its > pacca ghar will that help the sun-saturn combination on a positive > note. > > Kind regards > > Pavan Kumar > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Yangaldas ji, > > > > I do not think that ketu can make much of a difference in this > > context. It will largely depend on the house this combination is > > placed. If it is in the 1st house then the sun will be very strong > > and Saturn will be very weak, on the contrary if it occurs in the > > 7th house then the Saturn will be very strong and the sun will be > > very weak. > > In this case the help of Moon alone can make a difference because > > the saturn + the sun form malefic Rahu. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " yangaldaspk " > > <yangaldaspk@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Varunji > > > > > > I understand when saturn and sun together in a single house, > being > > > enemy planets may not yield good results. If ketu is combined > with > > > saturn and sun in a single house, can that be considered as ketu > > > assisting saturn beneficially, and thus saturn becoming much > more > > > stronger than the sun with telling effect on that house. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Pavan Kumar > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji, > > > > > > > > In the first place there is no conflict regarding the two > upaya > > > you > > > > have mentioned. Both of them are valid upaya for Saturn in the > > 3rd > > > > house, but for two different situations. Incidentally it is > not > > > > donating medicine to the blind, it is donating medicine to > those > > > with > > > > eye ailments. Blinds may not need it because they might have > > gone > > > > beyond the medicine stage. > > > > > > > > You should always remember that there is never one single > upaya > > > for > > > > any planet in any house. The upaya depends on the context the > > > planet > > > > is placed in i.e. depending on the placement of the other > > planets > > > in > > > > the horoscope. > > > > > > > > Therefore take it out of your thinking that Lal Kitab is a > > system > > > > where ‘X’ planet in ‘Y’ house = a ‘Z’ upaya. > > > > > > > > Saturn in the 3rd house can give malefic results, generally > > > speaking, > > > > under these three conditions : > > > > > > > > [ a ] When the sun is in the 3rd or 5th house. > > > > [ b ] When the moon is placed in the 10th house > > > > [ c ] When the Saturn is either with its enemies { sun, > > > moon,mars } > > > > or afflicted by them. > > > > > > > > If you notice, from the above, there could be more than half a > > > dozen > > > > upaya for Saturn in the 3rd house. It depends on the > astrologer > > > and > > > > his skill to devise an upaya best suited to the situation. > > > > > > > > Now coming to your query as to why it has been suggested that > > the > > > help > > > > of Ketu be taken. Well, Saturn starts giving benefic results > in > > > the > > > > company of Ketu or when ketu helps the Saturn. > > > > > > > > For Saturn+Ketu the book says ‘ shani ke saath ketu neki ka > > > farishta > > > > hoga’. It further says, ‘ uttam mubarik dono ikatthe , > lekh > > > shani par > > > > chalta ho’. > > > > > > > > That is the reason why it has been advised that the help of > Ketu > > > > should be taken in some cases. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends > > > > > > > > > > I have heard two conflicting views on how to remedy a > malefic > > > saturn > > > > > in the third house. The first being donation of eye medicine > > to > > > the > > > > > blind and the second being remedies through ketu. Can anyone > > > explain > > > > > the logic of doing a ketu remedy for saturn in the third > > house? > > > > Thanks > > > > > in advance > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > Sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear Varun Ji I am just a raw beginner in this field, i am just trying to understand and assimilate my knowledge of vedic astrology. As the saying goes, every drop in ocean counts. I dont have any one's horoscope with me, so least i could do was to understand few concepts with respect to my own horoscope. Moreover, i was raising my queries only when the related discussion is running in the threads. However, i feel sorry for deviating from the groups mission. Hope, my queries if any in the future is raised as per the running threads at that instant of time will be answered and allow me to gain knowledge from the respected Guruji's in the group. Please correct me, if my thoughts are still not coherent with the groups ideology. Regards Pavan Kumar , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Yangaldas ji, > > In this group we discuss the concepts and principles. You seem to be > talking about your own individual horoscope. This is not a place to > discuss it. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > , " yangaldaspk " > <yangaldaspk@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji > > > > Understood, Saturn and the sun together form a malefic Rahu. If > that > > malefic rahu due to this combination existing in the 1st house and > > also being aspected by Rahu in the 7th house, what can be > inferenced. > > > > I also understand that the help of Moon alone can make a > difference > > on the combination of saturn and sun. Now, if the moon is in its > > pacca ghar will that help the sun-saturn combination on a positive > > note. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Pavan Kumar > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Yangaldas ji, > > > > > > I do not think that ketu can make much of a difference in this > > > context. It will largely depend on the house this combination > is > > > placed. If it is in the 1st house then the sun will be very > strong > > > and Saturn will be very weak, on the contrary if it occurs in > the > > > 7th house then the Saturn will be very strong and the sun will > be > > > very weak. > > > In this case the help of Moon alone can make a difference > because > > > the saturn + the sun form malefic Rahu. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " yangaldaspk " > > > <yangaldaspk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Varunji > > > > > > > > I understand when saturn and sun together in a single house, > > being > > > > enemy planets may not yield good results. If ketu is combined > > with > > > > saturn and sun in a single house, can that be considered as > ketu > > > > assisting saturn beneficially, and thus saturn becoming much > > more > > > > stronger than the sun with telling effect on that house. > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Pavan Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji, > > > > > > > > > > In the first place there is no conflict regarding the two > > upaya > > > > you > > > > > have mentioned. Both of them are valid upaya for Saturn in > the > > > 3rd > > > > > house, but for two different situations. Incidentally it is > > not > > > > > donating medicine to the blind, it is donating medicine to > > those > > > > with > > > > > eye ailments. Blinds may not need it because they might have > > > gone > > > > > beyond the medicine stage. > > > > > > > > > > You should always remember that there is never one single > > upaya > > > > for > > > > > any planet in any house. The upaya depends on the context > the > > > > planet > > > > > is placed in i.e. depending on the placement of the other > > > planets > > > > in > > > > > the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore take it out of your thinking that Lal Kitab is a > > > system > > > > > where ‘X’ planet in ‘Y’ house = a ‘Z’ upaya. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in the 3rd house can give malefic results, generally > > > > speaking, > > > > > under these three conditions : > > > > > > > > > > [ a ] When the sun is in the 3rd or 5th house. > > > > > [ b ] When the moon is placed in the 10th house > > > > > [ c ] When the Saturn is either with its enemies { sun, > > > > moon,mars } > > > > > or afflicted by them. > > > > > > > > > > If you notice, from the above, there could be more than half > a > > > > dozen > > > > > upaya for Saturn in the 3rd house. It depends on the > > astrologer > > > > and > > > > > his skill to devise an upaya best suited to the situation. > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to your query as to why it has been suggested > that > > > the > > > > help > > > > > of Ketu be taken. Well, Saturn starts giving benefic > results > > in > > > > the > > > > > company of Ketu or when ketu helps the Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > For Saturn+Ketu the book says ‘ shani ke saath ketu neki ka > > > > farishta > > > > > hoga’. It further says, ‘ uttam mubarik dono ikatthe , > > lekh > > > > shani par > > > > > chalta ho’. > > > > > > > > > > That is the reason why it has been advised that the help of > > Ketu > > > > > should be taken in some cases. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard two conflicting views on how to remedy a > > malefic > > > > saturn > > > > > > in the third house. The first being donation of eye > medicine > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > blind and the second being remedies through ketu. Can > anyone > > > > explain > > > > > > the logic of doing a ketu remedy for saturn in the third > > > house? > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Dear yangaldas ji, Sun and saturn together form a malefic Rahu. This is a Lal Kitab concept. As you have pointed out that if this combination is in the 1st house and at the same time the natal Rahu is in the 7th, will this natal Rahu effect the Sun+saturn combination in the 1st? No. Because according to the lal Kitab the planets placed in the 7th house do not aspect the planets placed in the 1st house. If we take the traditional Vedic astrology view, then yes the natal Rahu will aspect the Sun and Saturn in the 1st house, but then we can not take them to mean malefic Rahu. We can not mix two systems. We have to go according to one system either Vedic or Lal Kitab. Summarizing : If we take the Lal Kitab view then sun+sat {forming malefic Rahu } is not aspected by natal Rahu from the 7th. On the other hand if we analyse through Vedic system then yes natal Rahu will aspect Saturn and Sun as individual planets and not the formed malefic Rahu. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " yangaldaspk " <yangaldaspk wrote: > > Dear Varun Ji > > I am just a raw beginner in this field, i am just trying to > understand and assimilate my knowledge of vedic astrology. As the > saying goes, every drop in ocean counts. > > I dont have any one's horoscope with me, so least i could do was to > understand few concepts with respect to my own horoscope. Moreover, > i was raising my queries only when the related discussion is running > in the threads. > > However, i feel sorry for deviating from the groups mission. > > Hope, my queries if any in the future is raised as per the running > threads at that instant of time will be answered and allow me to > gain knowledge from the respected Guruji's in the group. > > Please correct me, if my thoughts are still not coherent with the > groups ideology. > > Regards > > Pavan Kumar > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Yangaldas ji, > > > > In this group we discuss the concepts and principles. You seem to > be > > talking about your own individual horoscope. This is not a place > to > > discuss it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " yangaldaspk " > > <yangaldaspk@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Varun ji > > > > > > Understood, Saturn and the sun together form a malefic Rahu. If > > that > > > malefic rahu due to this combination existing in the 1st house > and > > > also being aspected by Rahu in the 7th house, what can be > > inferenced. > > > > > > I also understand that the help of Moon alone can make a > > difference > > > on the combination of saturn and sun. Now, if the moon is in its > > > pacca ghar will that help the sun-saturn combination on a > positive > > > note. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Pavan Kumar > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Yangaldas ji, > > > > > > > > I do not think that ketu can make much of a difference in this > > > > context. It will largely depend on the house this combination > > is > > > > placed. If it is in the 1st house then the sun will be very > > strong > > > > and Saturn will be very weak, on the contrary if it occurs in > > the > > > > 7th house then the Saturn will be very strong and the sun will > > be > > > > very weak. > > > > In this case the help of Moon alone can make a difference > > because > > > > the saturn + the sun form malefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " yangaldaspk " > > > > <yangaldaspk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Varunji > > > > > > > > > > I understand when saturn and sun together in a single house, > > > being > > > > > enemy planets may not yield good results. If ketu is > combined > > > with > > > > > saturn and sun in a single house, can that be considered as > > ketu > > > > > assisting saturn beneficially, and thus saturn becoming much > > > more > > > > > stronger than the sun with telling effect on that house. > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > Pavan Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sorabh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place there is no conflict regarding the two > > > upaya > > > > > you > > > > > > have mentioned. Both of them are valid upaya for Saturn in > > the > > > > 3rd > > > > > > house, but for two different situations. Incidentally it > is > > > not > > > > > > donating medicine to the blind, it is donating medicine to > > > those > > > > > with > > > > > > eye ailments. Blinds may not need it because they might > have > > > > gone > > > > > > beyond the medicine stage. > > > > > > > > > > > > You should always remember that there is never one single > > > upaya > > > > > for > > > > > > any planet in any house. The upaya depends on the context > > the > > > > > planet > > > > > > is placed in i.e. depending on the placement of the other > > > > planets > > > > > in > > > > > > the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore take it out of your thinking that Lal Kitab is a > > > > system > > > > > > where ‘X’ planet in ‘Y’ house = a ‘Z’ upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in the 3rd house can give malefic results, > generally > > > > > speaking, > > > > > > under these three conditions : > > > > > > > > > > > > [ a ] When the sun is in the 3rd or 5th house. > > > > > > [ b ] When the moon is placed in the 10th house > > > > > > [ c ] When the Saturn is either with its enemies { sun, > > > > > moon,mars } > > > > > > or afflicted by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you notice, from the above, there could be more than > half > > a > > > > > dozen > > > > > > upaya for Saturn in the 3rd house. It depends on the > > > astrologer > > > > > and > > > > > > his skill to devise an upaya best suited to the situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to your query as to why it has been suggested > > that > > > > the > > > > > help > > > > > > of Ketu be taken. Well, Saturn starts giving benefic > > results > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > company of Ketu or when ketu helps the Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > For Saturn+Ketu the book says ‘ shani ke saath ketu neki > ka > > > > > farishta > > > > > > hoga’. It further says, ‘ uttam mubarik dono ikatthe , > > > lekh > > > > > shani par > > > > > > chalta ho’. > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the reason why it has been advised that the help > of > > > Ketu > > > > > > should be taken in some cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " mrsorabhsharma " > > > > > > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard two conflicting views on how to remedy a > > > malefic > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > in the third house. The first being donation of eye > > medicine > > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > blind and the second being remedies through ketu. Can > > anyone > > > > > explain > > > > > > > the logic of doing a ketu remedy for saturn in the third > > > > house? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > Sorabh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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