Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear R P Singh ji The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, may be just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the concept sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money. Each astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is used to intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them. Here is how I look at this yoga. Kal Sarp yoga occurs when all the planets are between Ketu and Rahu , i.e. when all the planets are on one side of the Ketu – Rahu axis. When I say between Ketu and Rahu , I mean that if counting from Ketu { anti clock wise , zodiac counting }all the planets should fall between Ketu and Rahu and if that happens then only the yoga is formed. Easiest way to find out is, place your finger at Ketu and move anti-clockwise till Rahu , if all the planets are placed along your way to rahu then it is a Kal Sarp yog otherwise not. We all know that Rahu has a retrograde movement i.e. in a kundali planets { not retro } move anti-clockwise where as Rahu and Ketu always move clockwise. Therefore in the above placement all the planets would be in front of Rahu’s head , giving an impression as if Rahu will gobble up all the planets on its way. Now does this yoga affect the life or the quality of life? All kinds of results are attributed to this yoga, some good and some bad. Even I feel that this yoga must be effecting in one way or the other because half the kundali remains unoccupied. The planets confined to only one half of the kundali must have some kind of an effect and most probably adverse effect. There is yet another question. Should the yoga be decided on the basis of degrees or on the basis of Rasi? Technically speaking it should be decided on the basis of degrees. If any planet gets out of this Ketu – Rahu coil, there shouldn’t be a Kal Sarp yoga. There are others who believe that if a planet is in a rasi of either of the planets the yoga takes effect. I being a cautious type, and not prepared to take risks for those who seek my help, accept the Rasi option. After all why take a chance; give a wider berth. For all I know, even if a planet is out of the coil {in degrees } but in the same rasi as Ketu or Rahu , the yoga might still become operative. Therefore I believe that if the planets are between Ketu – Rahu axis and the rest of the planets between the Rasi of them both , the yoga occurs. The reverse of Kal Sarp Yog is known as Kal Amrit Yog. If KSY exists then there is an inherent tendency to enjoy and to grab material comforts for oneself. This can take an extreme form like criminal tendencies like stealing etc. If KAY exists, then the tendency is to give up everything. Does Lal Kitab take cognizance of this yoga? No, it doesn’t like all other classical texts. And still the yoga exists in the psyche of the people. And that’s why the upaya. Upaya : Two different upaya need to be done for this yog. One is general, not horoscope specific, and any body can do. The other is based on the horoscope. Both have to be done. General upaya : Get a small sandal wood piece of half an inch X one inch. On this piece get two silver wires, in the shape of a snake pair, either embedded or glued. Wear it round the neck either in a white silk thread or a silver chain. OR Immerse in a river / sea a pair of silver snakes on any day. Sincerely, Bhooshan Priya Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Dear pandit-ji; please see if my son has kaarl sarp yog??? what is remedies & bad/good effects??? dob=30 oct 1986, tob=19:45 pm, place=modesto[ california usa] thanks rashmikant Pandit Bhooshan Priya < Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:38:56 AMLal Kitab Discussion Group Kaal Sarp Yog Dear R P Singh ji The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, may be just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the concept sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money. Each astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is used to intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them. Here is how I look at this yoga. Kal Sarp yoga occurs when all the planets are between Ketu and Rahu , i.e. when all the planets are on one side of the Ketu Rahu axis. When I say between Ketu and Rahu , I mean that if counting from Ketu { anti clock wise , zodiac counting }all the planets should fall between Ketu and Rahu and if that happens then only the yoga is formed. Easiest way to find out is, place your finger at Ketu and move anti-clockwise till Rahu , if all the planets are placed along your way to rahu then it is a Kal Sarp yog otherwise not. We all know that Rahu has a retrograde movement i.e. in a kundali planets { not retro } move anti-clockwise where as Rahu and Ketu always move clockwise. Therefore in the above placement all the planets would be in front of Rahus head , giving an impression as if Rahu will gobble up all the planets on its way. Now does this yoga affect the life or the quality of life? All kinds of results are attributed to this yoga, some good and some bad. Even I feel that this yoga must be effecting in one way or the other because half the kundali remains unoccupied. The planets confined to only one half of the kundali must have some kind of an effect and most probably adverse effect. There is yet another question. Should the yoga be decided on the basis of degrees or on the basis of Rasi? Technically speaking it should be decided on the basis of degrees. If any planet gets out of this Ketu Rahu coil, there shouldnt be a Kal Sarp yoga. There are others who believe that if a planet is in a rasi of either of the planets the yoga takes effect. I being a cautious type, and not prepared to take risks for those who seek my help, accept the Rasi option. After all why take a chance; give a wider berth. For all I know, even if a planet is out of the coil {in degrees } but in the same rasi as Ketu or Rahu , the yoga might still become operative. Therefore I believe that if the planets are between Ketu Rahu axis and the rest of the planets between the Rasi of them both , the yoga occurs. The reverse of Kal Sarp Yog is known as Kal Amrit Yog. If KSY exists then there is an inherent tendency to enjoy and to grab material comforts for oneself. This can take an extreme form like criminal tendencies like stealing etc. If KAY exists, then the tendency is to give up everything. Does Lal Kitab take cognizance of this yoga? No, it doesnt like all other classical texts. And still the yoga exists in the psyche of the people. And thats why the upaya. Upaya : Two different upaya need to be done for this yog. One is general, not horoscope specific, and any body can do. The other is based on the horoscope. Both have to be done. General upaya : Get a small sandal wood piece of half an inch X one inch. On this piece get two silver wires, in the shape of a snake pair, either embedded or glued. Wear it round the neck either in a white silk thread or a silver chain. OR Immerse in a river / sea a pair of silver snakes on any day. Sincerely, Bhooshan Priya Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Dear Rashmi ji, This group is entirely devoted to discussing the concepts and principles of the Lal Kitab. No horoscopes are discussed or analysed in this group. Therefore you should post your request in some other astrology group. With regards, Chandra Prakash moderator , rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: > > Dear pandit-ji; > please see if my son has kaarl sarp yog??? what is remedies & bad/good effects??? > dob=30 oct 1986, tob=19:45 pm, place=modesto[ california usa] > thanks > rashmikant > > > > Pandit Bhooshan Priya < > > Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:38:56 AM > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Kaal Sarp Yog > > Dear R P Singh ji > > The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, may be just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the concept sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money. Each astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is used to intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them. > > Here is how I look at this yoga. > > Kal Sarp yoga occurs when all the planets are between Ketu and Rahu , i.e. when all the planets are on one side of the Ketu Rahu axis. When I say between Ketu and Rahu , I mean that if counting from Ketu { anti clock wise , zodiac counting }all the planets should fall between Ketu and Rahu and if that happens then only the yoga is formed. Easiest way to find out is, place your finger at Ketu and move anti-clockwise till Rahu , if all the planets are placed along your way to rahu then it is a Kal Sarp yog otherwise not. > > We all know that Rahu has a retrograde movement i.e. in a kundali planets { not retro } move anti-clockwise where as Rahu and Ketu always move clockwise. Therefore in the above placement all the planets would be in front of Rahus head , giving an impression as if Rahu will gobble up all the planets on its way. > > Now does this yoga affect the life or the quality of life? All kinds of results are attributed to this yoga, some good and some bad. Even I feel that this yoga must be effecting in one way or the other because half the kundali remains unoccupied. The planets confined to only one half of the kundali must have some kind of an effect and most probably adverse effect. > > There is yet another question. Should the yoga be decided on the basis of degrees or on the basis of Rasi? Technically speaking it should be decided on the basis of degrees. If any planet gets out of this Ketu Rahu coil, there shouldnt be a Kal Sarp yoga. There are others who believe that if a planet is in a rasi of either of the planets the yoga takes effect. > > I being a cautious type, and not prepared to take risks for those who seek my help, accept the Rasi option. After all why take a chance; give a wider berth. For all I know, even if a planet is out of the coil {in degrees } but in the same rasi as Ketu or Rahu , the yoga might still become operative. > > Therefore I believe that if the planets are between Ketu Rahu axis and the rest of the planets between the Rasi of them both , the yoga occurs. > > The reverse of Kal Sarp Yog is known as Kal Amrit Yog. > > If KSY exists then there is an inherent tendency to enjoy and to grab material comforts for oneself. This can take an extreme form like criminal tendencies like stealing etc. If KAY exists, then the tendency is to give up everything. > > Does Lal Kitab take cognizance of this yoga? No, it doesnt like all other classical texts. And still the yoga exists in the psyche of the people. And thats why the upaya. > > Upaya : > > Two different upaya need to be done for this yog. One is general, not horoscope specific, and any body can do. The other is based on the horoscope. Both have to be done. > > General upaya : > > Get a small sandal wood piece of half an inch X one inch. On this piece get two silver wires, in the shape of a snake pair, either embedded or glued. Wear it round the neck either in a white silk thread or a silver chain. > > OR > > Immerse in a river / sea a pair of silver snakes on any day. > > > > Sincerely, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > ___________________ _______________Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. > http://autos./carfinder/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Respected Bhushan ji Even so many ago astrologers & maharishis explained about SARP YOG but Kalsarp yog has been written in BRIHAT PARASHAR HORA SHASTRA as name KALSARP YOGA & its defination is same as u explained.Other maharishis also consider it by other names like Sarp yog , Sarp dansh yog. Even sarp yog indicates different predections but roll of rahu ketu not ignored by them also.Some of lalkitabists has differ views that Nowhere any description with the name as "Kalsarp Yoga" in lalkitab. So we can say lalkitab does not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I want to share some own views in this perview. Respected members & Bhushan Ji lalkitab accepts Rahu as the head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn is elaborated as snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of lalkitab says about rahu ketu--1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA KHUD UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head & Ketu as tail)2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shani khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT KA ANDHAA SAANP. So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in lalkitab.Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp - snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated as kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Parashar Jyotish. At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions & definations as below1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa is AJGAR SNAKE) SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952) 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN GINAA JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM KETU HOGI (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT) 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab. As well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN (LEFT) RAHU KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA. (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effects of SAANP (Shani)4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAARAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL (shape) BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN BHI YAANI JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO , US GHAR PAR SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a snake).Even this line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other context also saturn treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as tail. As said above :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO. It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope. Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head & tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including all planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appears that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does not used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planets gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake Yog,created in horoscope. Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ek aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh bolnaa sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka sir aur dum kahaa gayaa hai.All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered lalkitab. But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned members & there views.With RegardsLalkitabeeV.Shukla , Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote:>> Dear R P Singh ji> > The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, may be just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the concept sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money. Each astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is used to intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them.> > Here is how I look at this yoga.> > Kal Sarp yoga occurs when all the planets are between Ketu and Rahu , i.e. when all the planets are on one side of the Ketu-Rahu axis. When I say between Ketu and Rahu , I mean that if counting from Ketu { anti clock wise , zodiac counting }all the planets should fall between Ketu and Rahu and if that happens then only the yoga is formed. Easiest way to find out is, place your finger at Ketu and move anti-clockwise till Rahu , if all the planets are placed along your way to rahu then it is a Kal Sarp yog otherwise not.> > We all know that Rahu has a retrograde movement i.e. in a kundali planets { not retro } move anti-clockwise where as Rahu and Ketu always move clockwise. Therefore in the above placement all the planets would be in front of Rahu's head , giving an impression as if Rahu will gobble up all the planets on its way.> > Now does this yoga affect the life or the quality of life? All kinds of results are attributed to this yoga, some good and some bad. Even I feel that this yoga must be effecting in one way or the other because half the kundali remains unoccupied. The planets confined to only one half of the kundali must have some kind of an effect and most probably adverse effect.> > There is yet another question. Should the yoga be decided on the basis of degrees or on the basis of Rasi? Technically speaking it should be decided on the basis of degrees. If any planet gets out of this Ketu-Rahu coil, there shouldn't be a Kal Sarp yoga. There are others who believe that if a planet is in a rasi of either of the planets the yoga takes effect.> > I being a cautious type, and not prepared to take risks for those who seek my help, accept the Rasi option. After all why take a chance; give a wider berth. For all I know, even if a planet is out of the coil {in degrees } but in the same rasi as Ketu or Rahu , the yoga might still become operative. > > Therefore I believe that if the planets are between Ketu – Rahu axis and the rest of the planets between the Rasi of them both , the yoga occurs.> > The reverse of Kal Sarp Yog is known as Kal Amrit Yog. > > If KSY exists then there is an inherent tendency to enjoy and to grab material comforts for oneself. This can take an extreme form like criminal tendencies like stealing etc. If KAY exists, then the tendency is to give up everything.> > Does Lal Kitab take cognizance of this yoga? No, it doesnÂ't like all other classical texts. And still the yoga exists in the psyche of the people. And that's why the upaya.> > Upaya : > > Two different upaya need to be done for this yog. One is general, not horoscope specific, and any body can do. The other is based on the horoscope. Both have to be done.> > General upaya :> > Get a small sandal wood piece of half an inch X one inch. On this piece get two silver wires, in the shape of a snake pair, either embedded or glued. Wear it round the neck either in a white silk thread or a silver chain.> > OR> > Immerse in a river / sea a pair of silver snakes on any day.> > > > Sincerely,> > Bhooshan Priya> > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? 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Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Dear acharya Shukla ji { lalkitabee } It is a marvelous scholarly exposition of the Kal Sarp yog. I must admit that you have a fantastic insight into the Lal Kitab and I congratulate you for that. Before reading your article even I thought that Lal Kitab doesn’t recognize the Kal Sarp yog. Now I know that the concept { avdharana } of the Kal Sarp yog very much exists in the Lal Kitab. Pandit Roopchand joshi ji may not have used the word Kal Sarp yog as such, but the planetary context is very well defined through the explanation of Rahu-Ketu as head and tail of the Sarp called Shani. The effect of this Sarp in time { Kal } is what we call Kal Sarp yog. I believe that the future of the Lal Kitab is very bright in the hands of a brilliant young scholar like you. Keep pursuing your insights into the Lal Kitab. God bless you, With Affection, Bhooshan Priya , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > > Respected Bhushan ji > > Even so many ago astrologers & maharishis explained about SARP YOG but > Kalsarp yog has been written in BRIHAT PARASHAR HORA SHASTRA as name > KALSARP YOGA & its defination is same as u explained.Other maharishis > also consider it by other names like Sarp yog , Sarp dansh yog. Even > sarp yog indicates different predections but roll of rahu ketu not > ignored by them also.Some of lalkitabists has differ views that Nowhere > any description with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we can > say lalkitab does not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words I > want to share some own views in this perview. > Respected members & Bhushan Ji lalkitab > accepts Rahu as the head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & saturn > is elaborated as snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining of > lalkitab says about rahu ketu-- > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD BA KHUD > UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head & Ketu as > tail) > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, Shani > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as RAAT KA > ANDHAA SAANP. > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake in > lalkitab. > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY Sarp - > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated as > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Parashar Jyotish. > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions & > definations as below > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here ajdahaa is > AJGAR SNAKE) > SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO > (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952) > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA HONE > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN GINAA > JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM KETU HOGI > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT) > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in lalkitab. As > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR BAITHAA > HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN (LEFT) RAHU > KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA. > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD effects > of SAANP (Shani) > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL (shape) > BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN BHI YAANI > JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO , US GHAR PAR > SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a snake).Even this > line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other context also saturn > treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as tail. As said above > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA HO. > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope. > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as head & > tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including all > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture appears > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the snake > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does not > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of planets > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = Snake > Yog,created in horoscope. > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik sabhi > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur ek > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh bolnaa > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka sir > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai. > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered lalkitab. > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned members & > there views. > With Regards > Lalkitabee > V.Shukla > > , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > <@> wrote: > > > > Dear R P Singh ji > > > > The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, may be > just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of > Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the concept > sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money. Each > astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is used to > intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them. > > > > Here is how I look at this yoga. > > > > Kal Sarp yoga occurs when all the planets are between Ketu and Rahu , > i.e. when all the planets are on one side of the Ketu-Rahu axis. When I > say between Ketu and Rahu , I mean that if counting from Ketu { anti > clock wise , zodiac counting }all the planets should fall between Ketu > and Rahu and if that happens then only the yoga is formed. Easiest way > to find out is, place your finger at Ketu and move anti-clockwise till > Rahu , if all the planets are placed along your way to rahu then it is a > Kal Sarp yog otherwise not. > > > > We all know that Rahu has a retrograde movement i.e. in a kundali > planets { not retro } move anti-clockwise where as Rahu and Ketu always > move clockwise. Therefore in the above placement all the planets would > be in front of Rahu's head , giving an impression as if Rahu will gobble > up all the planets on its way. > > > > Now does this yoga affect the life or the quality of life? All kinds > of results are attributed to this yoga, some good and some bad. Even I > feel that this yoga must be effecting in one way or the other because > half the kundali remains unoccupied. The planets confined to only one > half of the kundali must have some kind of an effect and most probably > adverse effect. > > > > There is yet another question. Should the yoga be decided on the basis > of degrees or on the basis of Rasi? Technically speaking it should be > decided on the basis of degrees. If any planet gets out of this > Ketu-Rahu coil, there shouldn't be a Kal Sarp yoga. There are others who > believe that if a planet is in a rasi of either of the planets the yoga > takes effect. > > > > I being a cautious type, and not prepared to take risks for those who > seek my help, accept the Rasi option. After all why take a chance; give > a wider berth. For all I know, even if a planet is out of the coil {in > degrees } but in the same rasi as Ketu or Rahu , the yoga might still > become operative. > > > > Therefore I believe that if the planets are between Ketu – Rahu > axis and the rest of the planets between the Rasi of them both , the > yoga occurs. > > > > The reverse of Kal Sarp Yog is known as Kal Amrit Yog. > > > > If KSY exists then there is an inherent tendency to enjoy and to grab > material comforts for oneself. This can take an extreme form like > criminal tendencies like stealing etc. If KAY exists, then the tendency > is to give up everything. > > > > Does Lal Kitab take cognizance of this yoga? No, it doesn§t like > all other classical texts. And still the yoga exists in the psyche of > the people. And that's why the upaya. > > > > Upaya : > > > > Two different upaya need to be done for this yog. One is general, not > horoscope specific, and any body can do. The other is based on the > horoscope. Both have to be done. > > > > General upaya : > > > > Get a small sandal wood piece of half an inch X one inch. On this > piece get two silver wires, in the shape of a snake pair, either > embedded or glued. Wear it round the neck either in a white silk thread > or a silver chain. > > > > OR > > > > Immerse in a river / sea a pair of silver snakes on any day. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Respected Bhushan Ji This is ur greatness that i recieved ur blessings, otherwise nothing im.Thanx for this appriciation. With regards Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla , " " < wrote: > > Dear acharya Shukla ji { lalkitabee } > > It is a marvelous scholarly exposition of the Kal Sarp yog. I must > admit that you have a fantastic insight into the Lal Kitab and I > congratulate you for that. > > Before reading your article even I thought that Lal Kitab doesn’t > recognize the Kal Sarp yog. Now I know that the concept { > avdharana } of the Kal Sarp yog very much exists in the Lal Kitab. > > Pandit Roopchand joshi ji may not have used the word Kal Sarp yog as > such, but the planetary context is very well defined through the > explanation of Rahu-Ketu as head and tail of the Sarp called Shani. > The effect of this Sarp in time { Kal } is what we call Kal Sarp yog. > > I believe that the future of the Lal Kitab is very bright in the > hands of a brilliant young scholar like you. Keep pursuing your > insights into the Lal Kitab. > > God bless you, > > With Affection, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > , " lalkitabee " > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhushan ji > > > > Even so many ago astrologers & maharishis explained about SARP YOG > but > > Kalsarp yog has been written in BRIHAT PARASHAR HORA SHASTRA as > name > > KALSARP YOGA & its defination is same as u explained.Other > maharishis > > also consider it by other names like Sarp yog , Sarp dansh yog. > Even > > sarp yog indicates different predections but roll of rahu ketu not > > ignored by them also.Some of lalkitabists has differ views that > Nowhere > > any description with the name as " Kalsarp Yoga " in lalkitab. So we > can > > say lalkitab does not consider Kalsarp yoga. But with humble words > I > > want to share some own views in this perview. > > Respected members & Bhushan Ji > lalkitab > > accepts Rahu as the head of snake & ketu as the tail of snake & > saturn > > is elaborated as snake in lalkitab.As example in the very begining > of > > lalkitab says about rahu ketu-- > > 1. EK NE INSAAN KO SIR SE PAKDAA HAI DOOSRE NE PAIR SE. TO KHUD > BA KHUD > > UNKO JAGAH MIL GAYEE (Means ;- Rahu will be treated as head & Ketu > as > > tail) > > 2. About saturn - shani khana no 4 addressed as PANI KA SAANP, > Shani > > khana no.5 as BACHCHEY KHANE WALAA SAANP, Shani khana no. 6 as > RAAT KA > > ANDHAA SAANP. > > So much use of this word prooves that saturn is called as snake > in > > lalkitab. > > Now an opinion of mine is that Kalsarp means kal= time ,SAMAY > Sarp - > > snake. As defination we can say that the cycle of time in which all > > planets come between Rahu & Ketu in any horoscope will be treated > as > > kalsarp yog. It is declared name in Parashar Jyotish. > > At other side when i saw in lalkitab-- i found some discriptions > & > > definations as below > > 1.PEHLEY GHARON MAIN DUM KETU HOTE ICHCHHAADHAARI SHANI HOTAA HO > > ULAT MAGAR JAB TEVE BAITHA AZDAHAA KHOONI BANTAA HO (here > ajdahaa is > > AJGAR SNAKE) > > SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD HOTAA > HO > > (Page no. 585 oroginal book 1952) > > > > > > 2.SANICHCHAR KO AGAR SAANP MAANAA JAYE TO USKI DUM KETU BAITHAA > HONE > > WALE GHAR MAIN HOGI AUR SIR USKAA RAHU BAITHAA HONE WALE GHAR MAIN > GINAA > > JAYEGAA YA SANICHCHAR KA SIR RAHU HOGAA AUR SANICHCHAR KI DUM KETU > HOGI > > (PAGE NO. 588 at no. 5 in the chapter of AAM HAALAT) > > > > > > 3. Shani ka swabhav is specially counted by RAHU KETU in > lalkitab. As > > well as at page no. 590 ---MANDI HAALAT MAIN AMOOMAN SANICHCHAR > BAITHAA > > HONE WALE GHAR KE DONO TARAF HEE DAAYAIN (RIGHT) BAAYAIN (LEFT) > RAHU > > KETU BAITHAA HONE KE VAQT UNKAA BHEE MANDAA ASAR HOGAA. > > (after this a chart has been written at page 590 showing BAD > effects > > of SAANP (Shani) > > 4.At page no. 623 I saw the defination about bad saturn as below > > HEADING:- SANICHCHAR KE MANDE ASAR KA RUKH KIDHAR HOGAA > > RAHU KO SIR AUR KETU KO DUM (tail) SAMAJHKAR EK SAANP KEE SHAKAL > (shape) > > BANAYAIN TO RAHU BAITHAA HONE WAALE GHAR SE AAGE JAHAAN KAHIN BHI > YAANI > > JIS KHAANE MAIN REKHAA NIKAL KAR SEEDHEE HEE JAA SAKTEE HO , US > GHAR PAR > > SHANI KA ASAR PADEGAA (Here also pandit ji assumed a snake).Even > this > > line has been said for saturn khana 8. But in other context also > saturn > > treated as snake & rahu called as head & ketu as tail. As said > above > > :--- SAANP SHANI DUM(tail) KETU GINTEY MUKHDAA (Head)RAHU KHUD > HOTAA HO. > > It means we can create a shape of snake in each horoscope. > > Here my only view is that lalkitab already persues Rahu ketu as > head & > > tail of Saturn (Snake) & if a horoscope comes befor us including > all > > planets between Rahu & Ketu ,then as per lalkitab ,a picture > appears > > that all planets controlled at one side (left or right) by the > snake > > (Saturn) placing his head rahu & tail Ketu. So even lalkitab does > not > > used the word KALSARP YOG directly.But above said situation of > planets > > gives us an image of Horoscope as Kal = Time or SAMAY & Sarp = > Snake > > Yog,created in horoscope. > > > > Yaani ki Samay ke ya vaqt ke mutabik > sabhi > > grah saanp ke sir (head) aur dum (Tail) ko paar nahi kar sake aur > ek > > aisa yog ban baithaa jiskaa naam kalsarp yog ke alawaa aur kuchh > bolnaa > > sateek nahee maaloom hotaa.Bhaley hee laalkitab main ise is naam se > > naheen kahaa gayaa hai lekin rahu aur ketu ko to saanp(Saturn) ka > sir > > aur dum kahaa gayaa hai. > > All this is my view as per understanding of quotes of revered > lalkitab. > > But knowledge & research has no limit.I m owed to all learned > members & > > there views. > > With Regards > > Lalkitabee > > V.Shukla > > > > , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear R P Singh ji > > > > > > The concept of the Kal Sarp yoga is a very recent phenomenon, > may be > > just a few decades old. It does not occur in the classic works of > > Astrology. So very little literature is available on it that the > concept > > sounds as a yet another ploy of the astrologers to make money. Each > > astrologer interprets it the way he wants. In most cases it is > used to > > intimidate his clients and make a sucker of them. > > > > > > Here is how I look at this yoga. > > > > > > Kal Sarp yoga occurs when all the planets are between Ketu and > Rahu , > > i.e. when all the planets are on one side of the Ketu-Rahu axis. > When I > > say between Ketu and Rahu , I mean that if counting from Ketu { > anti > > clock wise , zodiac counting }all the planets should fall between > Ketu > > and Rahu and if that happens then only the yoga is formed. Easiest > way > > to find out is, place your finger at Ketu and move anti- clockwise > till > > Rahu , if all the planets are placed along your way to rahu then > it is a > > Kal Sarp yog otherwise not. > > > > > > We all know that Rahu has a retrograde movement i.e. in a kundali > > planets { not retro } move anti-clockwise where as Rahu and Ketu > always > > move clockwise. Therefore in the above placement all the planets > would > > be in front of Rahu's head , giving an impression as if Rahu will > gobble > > up all the planets on its way. > > > > > > Now does this yoga affect the life or the quality of life? All > kinds > > of results are attributed to this yoga, some good and some bad. > Even I > > feel that this yoga must be effecting in one way or the other > because > > half the kundali remains unoccupied. The planets confined to only > one > > half of the kundali must have some kind of an effect and most > probably > > adverse effect. > > > > > > There is yet another question. Should the yoga be decided on the > basis > > of degrees or on the basis of Rasi? Technically speaking it should > be > > decided on the basis of degrees. If any planet gets out of this > > Ketu-Rahu coil, there shouldn't be a Kal Sarp yoga. There are > others who > > believe that if a planet is in a rasi of either of the planets the > yoga > > takes effect. > > > > > > I being a cautious type, and not prepared to take risks for > those who > > seek my help, accept the Rasi option. After all why take a chance; > give > > a wider berth. For all I know, even if a planet is out of the coil > {in > > degrees } but in the same rasi as Ketu or Rahu , the yoga might > still > > become operative. > > > > > > Therefore I believe that if the planets are between Ketu – Rahu > > axis and the rest of the planets between the Rasi of them both , > the > > yoga occurs. > > > > > > The reverse of Kal Sarp Yog is known as Kal Amrit Yog. > > > > > > If KSY exists then there is an inherent tendency to enjoy and to > grab > > material comforts for oneself. This can take an extreme form like > > criminal tendencies like stealing etc. If KAY exists, then the > tendency > > is to give up everything. > > > > > > Does Lal Kitab take cognizance of this yoga? No, it doesn§t like > > all other classical texts. And still the yoga exists in the psyche > of > > the people. And that's why the upaya. > > > > > > Upaya : > > > > > > Two different upaya need to be done for this yog. One is > general, not > > horoscope specific, and any body can do. The other is based on the > > horoscope. Both have to be done. > > > > > > General upaya : > > > > > > Get a small sandal wood piece of half an inch X one inch. On this > > piece get two silver wires, in the shape of a snake pair, either > > embedded or glued. Wear it round the neck either in a white silk > thread > > or a silver chain. > > > > > > OR > > > > > > Immerse in a river / sea a pair of silver snakes on any day. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to > > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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