Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 guruji the aspect theory is also dismissed because sooraj 8 chandra 2; chandra ka phal chandr ki nisf miyad yani 12 saal tak sooraj ke neeche daba rahne ke baad alahda aur sooraj ki tarah uttam hoga. which results in quarrels with women , defaet and loss. kulbir bains - -- In , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear Niti ji, > > It is interesting that these lines have been dropped from the 1952 > edition which is more exhaustive and enlarged than the Gutaka of > 1941. Why did Pandit ji not mention these lines, in the context of > the 2nd house, is an enigma. May be he did not feel it important > enough or worth mentioning. > > That apart lets get back to business. > > As you have rightly guessed these lines are not related to placement > of the planets in the 2nd house. They are related to the aspect of > these planets on the second house. > > Now where would the planets be placed so that they can aspect the > 2nd house? > > Simple, in the 8th. > > It is the planets in the 8th that can look back and have an aspect > on the 2nd house. > > Well so far so good. > > But why would ‘ravi’ stay aloof and not aspect the 2nd house. > > My assumption : > > Since the rays of the sun go forward and can not turn around and > look back, therefore the Sun would not be able to look back at the > 2nd house if placed in the 8th. > > It makes sense to me. > > Does it make any sense to you? > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , " cptyagi2007 " > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niti ji, > > > > I think the book is talking about the aspect of the planets on the > 2nd > > house. May be you could carry on from here. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " waxpol " <waxpol@> > wrote: > > > > > > Honourable Kulbir ji & all Gurus, > > > A phrase of Gutka Pakka Gher Khanna 2 is > > > " aath grah is gher me aatey ,juda ravi par rehta hey. " > > > How is it possible? So confusing ! Because exilement of Sun > > > from this house can not fulfil the condition of 8 planets in 2nd > > house > > > due to the principle of face to face placement of Dragon's Head > & > > > Tail.It is impossible.only seven planets can be seated in 2nd > house. > > > What should be decoding of this phrase or how will you enthrill > in > > > this puzzle -stone ?I am unable to enlink with principle of > Dragon's > > > Head & Tail.Would you like to explain?All other astros are also > > > invited to enlighten. > > > With due respect > > > Niti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Dear Kulbir ji, Once again, I didn't use the word theory, nor even the word hypothesis, a step lower. I said that it is my 'assumption'. At the beginning of any discussions we always come up with 'assumptions'>>> leading to hypothesis >>>.leading to theory after the hypothesis is varified on all counts. Fine. My assumption could be wrong, but then some one has to come out with some thing more tangible, lets say a hypothesis. Regards, Chandra Prakash , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > guruji the aspect theory is also dismissed because sooraj 8 chandra > 2; chandra ka phal chandr ki nisf miyad yani 12 saal tak sooraj ke > neeche daba rahne ke baad alahda aur sooraj ki tarah uttam hoga. > which results in quarrels with women , defaet and loss. > > kulbir bains - > -- In , " cptyagi2007 " > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Dear Niti ji, > > > > It is interesting that these lines have been dropped from the 1952 > > edition which is more exhaustive and enlarged than the Gutaka of > > 1941. Why did Pandit ji not mention these lines, in the context of > > the 2nd house, is an enigma. May be he did not feel it important > > enough or worth mentioning. > > > > That apart lets get back to business. > > > > As you have rightly guessed these lines are not related to > placement > > of the planets in the 2nd house. They are related to the aspect of > > these planets on the second house. > > > > Now where would the planets be placed so that they can aspect the > > 2nd house? > > > > Simple, in the 8th. > > > > It is the planets in the 8th that can look back and have an > aspect > > on the 2nd house. > > > > Well so far so good. > > > > But why would ‘ravi’ stay aloof and not aspect the 2nd house. > > > > My assumption : > > > > Since the rays of the sun go forward and can not turn around and > > look back, therefore the Sun would not be able to look back at the > > 2nd house if placed in the 8th. > > > > It makes sense to me. > > > > Does it make any sense to you? > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Niti ji, > > > > > > I think the book is talking about the aspect of the planets on > the > > 2nd > > > house. May be you could carry on from here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " waxpol " <waxpol@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Honourable Kulbir ji & all Gurus, > > > > A phrase of Gutka Pakka Gher Khanna 2 is > > > > " aath grah is gher me aatey ,juda ravi par rehta hey. " > > > > How is it possible? So confusing ! Because exilement of Sun > > > > from this house can not fulfil the condition of 8 planets in > 2nd > > > house > > > > due to the principle of face to face placement of Dragon's > Head > > & > > > > Tail.It is impossible.only seven planets can be seated in 2nd > > house. > > > > What should be decoding of this phrase or how will you > enthrill > > in > > > > this puzzle -stone ?I am unable to enlink with principle of > > Dragon's > > > > Head & Tail.Would you like to explain?All other astros are > also > > > > invited to enlighten. > > > > With due respect > > > > Niti > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 with due respect tyagi ji please refer to the opening lines of gutka .............ISHARE SE HI BAAT KAR KE HAAL, SAB PADHWA GAYA; DO CHAPE THE HISSE PEHLE, EK YEH BANWA GAYA. is janam me bas yahi pata chal jaye ki is granth me likha KYA hai KAAFI hai. KYON likha hai bahut duur ki baat hai. kulbir bains-- - In , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > Once again, I didn't use the word theory, nor even the word > hypothesis, a step lower. > > I said that it is my 'assumption'. > > At the beginning of any discussions we always come up > with 'assumptions'>>> leading to hypothesis >>>.leading to theory > after the hypothesis is varified on all counts. > > Fine. > > My assumption could be wrong, but then some one has to come out with > some thing more tangible, lets say a hypothesis. > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > guruji the aspect theory is also dismissed because sooraj 8 > chandra > > 2; chandra ka phal chandr ki nisf miyad yani 12 saal tak sooraj ke > > neeche daba rahne ke baad alahda aur sooraj ki tarah uttam hoga. > > which results in quarrels with women , defaet and loss. > > > > kulbir > bains - > > -- In , " cptyagi2007 " > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Niti ji, > > > > > > It is interesting that these lines have been dropped from the > 1952 > > > edition which is more exhaustive and enlarged than the Gutaka of > > > 1941. Why did Pandit ji not mention these lines, in the context > of > > > the 2nd house, is an enigma. May be he did not feel it important > > > enough or worth mentioning. > > > > > > That apart lets get back to business. > > > > > > As you have rightly guessed these lines are not related to > > placement > > > of the planets in the 2nd house. They are related to the aspect > of > > > these planets on the second house. > > > > > > Now where would the planets be placed so that they can aspect > the > > > 2nd house? > > > > > > Simple, in the 8th. > > > > > > It is the planets in the 8th that can look back and have an > > aspect > > > on the 2nd house. > > > > > > Well so far so good. > > > > > > But why would ‘ravi’ stay aloof and not aspect the 2nd house. > > > > > > My assumption : > > > > > > Since the rays of the sun go forward and can not turn around and > > > look back, therefore the Sun would not be able to look back at > the > > > 2nd house if placed in the 8th. > > > > > > It makes sense to me. > > > > > > Does it make any sense to you? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Niti ji, > > > > > > > > I think the book is talking about the aspect of the planets on > > the > > > 2nd > > > > house. May be you could carry on from here. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " waxpol " <waxpol@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Honourable Kulbir ji & all Gurus, > > > > > A phrase of Gutka Pakka Gher Khanna 2 is > > > > > " aath grah is gher me aatey ,juda ravi par rehta hey. " > > > > > How is it possible? So confusing ! Because exilement > of Sun > > > > > from this house can not fulfil the condition of 8 planets in > > 2nd > > > > house > > > > > due to the principle of face to face placement of Dragon's > > Head > > > & > > > > > Tail.It is impossible.only seven planets can be seated in > 2nd > > > house. > > > > > What should be decoding of this phrase or how will you > > enthrill > > > in > > > > > this puzzle -stone ?I am unable to enlink with principle of > > > Dragon's > > > > > Head & Tail.Would you like to explain?All other astros are > > also > > > > > invited to enlighten. > > > > > With due respect > > > > > Niti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Dear Kulbir ji, We as a small group of Lal Kitab learners based in Aligarh are not awed by an unnecessary aura created about the book. To us it is yet another book of Indian vedic jyotish; nothing sacrosanct or mystifying about it. As for understanding what is written in the book, it is in black and white, for every one to read and understand according to his ability. In any appreciation of a book or its contents one must always try to find the logic in what is written and why it is written. One can not wear blinkers and accept every thing simply because it is said in a book. Every thing should be brought under rational scrutiny; that is the scientific temper. We do not tread upon the beaten path; if necessary pave a path of our own. Regards, Chandra Prakash , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > with due respect tyagi ji please refer to the opening lines of > gutka .............ISHARE SE HI BAAT KAR KE HAAL, SAB PADHWA GAYA; > DO CHAPE THE HISSE PEHLE, EK YEH BANWA GAYA. > is janam me bas yahi pata chal jaye ki is granth me likha KYA hai > KAAFI hai. KYON likha hai bahut duur ki baat hai. > > kulbir bains-- > - In , " cptyagi2007 " > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > Once again, I didn't use the word theory, nor even the word > > hypothesis, a step lower. > > > > I said that it is my 'assumption'. > > > > At the beginning of any discussions we always come up > > with 'assumptions'>>> leading to hypothesis >>>.leading to theory > > after the hypothesis is varified on all counts. > > > > Fine. > > > > My assumption could be wrong, but then some one has to come out > with > > some thing more tangible, lets say a hypothesis. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > guruji the aspect theory is also dismissed because sooraj 8 > > chandra > > > 2; chandra ka phal chandr ki nisf miyad yani 12 saal tak sooraj > ke > > > neeche daba rahne ke baad alahda aur sooraj ki tarah uttam hoga. > > > which results in quarrels with women , defaet and loss. > > > > > > kulbir > > bains - > > > -- In , " cptyagi2007 " > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Niti ji, > > > > > > > > It is interesting that these lines have been dropped from the > > 1952 > > > > edition which is more exhaustive and enlarged than the Gutaka > of > > > > 1941. Why did Pandit ji not mention these lines, in the > context > > of > > > > the 2nd house, is an enigma. May be he did not feel it > important > > > > enough or worth mentioning. > > > > > > > > That apart lets get back to business. > > > > > > > > As you have rightly guessed these lines are not related to > > > placement > > > > of the planets in the 2nd house. They are related to the > aspect > > of > > > > these planets on the second house. > > > > > > > > Now where would the planets be placed so that they can aspect > > the > > > > 2nd house? > > > > > > > > Simple, in the 8th. > > > > > > > > It is the planets in the 8th that can look back and have an > > > aspect > > > > on the 2nd house. > > > > > > > > Well so far so good. > > > > > > > > But why would ‘ravi’ stay aloof and not aspect the 2nd > house. > > > > > > > > My assumption : > > > > > > > > Since the rays of the sun go forward and can not turn around > and > > > > look back, therefore the Sun would not be able to look back at > > the > > > > 2nd house if placed in the 8th. > > > > > > > > It makes sense to me. > > > > > > > > Does it make any sense to you? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Niti ji, > > > > > > > > > > I think the book is talking about the aspect of the planets > on > > > the > > > > 2nd > > > > > house. May be you could carry on from here. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " waxpol " > <waxpol@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Honourable Kulbir ji & all Gurus, > > > > > > A phrase of Gutka Pakka Gher Khanna 2 is > > > > > > " aath grah is gher me aatey ,juda ravi par rehta hey. " > > > > > > How is it possible? So confusing ! Because exilement > > of Sun > > > > > > from this house can not fulfil the condition of 8 planets > in > > > 2nd > > > > > house > > > > > > due to the principle of face to face placement of Dragon's > > > Head > > > > & > > > > > > Tail.It is impossible.only seven planets can be seated in > > 2nd > > > > house. > > > > > > What should be decoding of this phrase or how will you > > > enthrill > > > > in > > > > > > this puzzle -stone ?I am unable to enlink with principle > of > > > > Dragon's > > > > > > Head & Tail.Would you like to explain?All other astros are > > > also > > > > > > invited to enlighten. > > > > > > With due respect > > > > > > Niti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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