Lal Kitab Discussion Group Definition of TOTKE

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extremely correct sir, FOLK REMEDIES is the best term for totka; u definetely have an edge over me as far as vocublary is concerned. please continue to guide in future also. i have a lot to learn from ur goodself. kulbir bainscptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007 wrote: Dear Kulbir ji,You have beautifully summarized the concept of Tone-Totke from Pt. Umesh Sharma ji’s book.Over the years the word tone-totke has assumed an unsavory flavor. They have come to be regarded as something from the black magic. Therefore instead of using the term tone-totke we prefer calling them folk remedies.Folk remedies have been a part of the Indian healing system for ages. They are a total sum of collective folk wisdom evolved over centuries. Unfortunately there has been a lot of interpolation of spurious remedies into this revered folk tradition. Therefore we must make an effort to sieve the spurious from the genuine tradition.Regards,Chandra Prakash , "kulbirbains" <kulbirbains wrote:>> > Sir, shri umesh sharma's book titled chamatkari tone totke says that> TOTKA IS DEFINED AS A PROCEDURE LAID DOWN BY THE SACRED TEXTS OR DEVISED> BY SOME LEARNED ONE AND FOLLOWED BY TRADITION TO CONVERT THE MALEFIC> CONDITIONS INTO BENEFICIAL/PROSPEROUS ONES. THESE PROCEDURES ARE SHORT> CUT REMEDIAL MEASURES DEVISED TO SUIT THE PRESENT DAY LIFE STYLE WHERE> THE INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT HAS THE APPROPRIATE TIME REQUIRED FOR INVOKING> SIDDHIS. IN THE PRESENT DAY INDIA THERE IS HARDLY ANY HOUSEHOLD WHICH> DOESN'T FOLLOWS THESE PROCEDURES FOR PROSPERITY. e.g. THE MOTHER GIVES> SUGAR MIXED CURD TO HER WARDS BEFORE GOING TO APPEAR IN SOME EXAMINATION> OR INTERVIEW FOR THEIR SUCCESS IN THE ATTEMPT.>

> > kulbir bains.> , "cptyagi2007"> <cptyagi2007@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> >> > could you briefly explain to Dennis what Indra Jal is and the word> > Totka also. Dennis is from Greece a very keen student of Lal Kitab.> > I had him in mind when I requested you to translate your quotes in> > English.> >> > Regards,> >> > Chandra Prakash> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Dennis"> > mprgrandmaster@ wrote:> > >> > > Jai Shri Mataji!> > > I am humbly apologising for sending

a messege on the subject while> > you have asked for this to be stopped but I really do n ot> > understand anything said. What is Indra Jal, what is totka? While> > this is not part of Lal Kitab, it is very important to know what lal> > Kitab is and what is is NOT. So, please kindly explain so that I may> > not misunderstand this concept in the future.> > > Again, I am sorry if I annoy you with this email.> > > Regards,> > > Dionisis> > > -> > > cptyagi2007> > > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM> > > Re: Debate and SATURN> > >> > >> > > Dear Kaiwal ji,> > >> > > We will not discuss Indra

Jal in this group. Therefore no more> > > messages about it. Incidentally Lal Kitab upaya are not Totkas.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Chandra Prakash> > >> > > , kaiwal thakur> > > <i9815739229@> wrote:> > > >> > > > RespectedKulbir Ji> > > > it is true highly coded book but same as lalkitab totkey> > > works same its totkey works.> > > > I donot wish to hurt you sir for general knowledge wrote> > > > if my words hurt you sorry for that> > > > have nice time> > > >> > > >> > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > Inder jal is a highly coded book unless u know the

codes> > > it it won't> > > > help, like onion or owl does not men onion or owl but> > something> > > > else.> > > > guru is amust in this field.> > > > kulbir bains--- In> > > > , kaiwal thakur> > <i9815739229@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected all members> > > > > I am very very gratefull to all for taking my points for> > > > discussion . These all are for general members not> > perticularly> > > > for me> > > > > I again wish toconcentrate your kind attention to an other> > > > point if any one has some knowledge of relationship between> > > > PLANETS with PLANTS to get rid

off such type of malafic effect> > or> > > > other type of effects, please do share with me regarding said> > > point.> > > > > Second thing in this profession if some one take help from> > > > INDER JALL , can help the needy persons successfully> > > > > Please never mind if it is the time killing source only in> > > > discusions then also should enjoy all> > > > > WISH YOU ALL ALL THE BEST> > > > > Eagerly waiting for negative / positive response> > > > >> > > > > cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > >> > > > > If you notice Thakur saheb has asked for two things : how to> > > > appease> > > > > Saturn in various houses; and what upaya to be done to

get> > rid> > > of> > > > > the malefic effects of the Saturn in those houses.> > > > >> > > > > You as a scholar of Lal Kitab know that such questions can> > not> > > be> > > > > answered in the absence of a horoscope. It is only after> > > > > ascertaining the maleficity of the planet in the horoscope> > the> > > > upaya> > > > > to either appease a planet or to get rid of the maleficity> > of> > > the> > > > > planet ,can be suggested.> > > > >> > > > > Yes the books on Lal Kitab available in the market,> > including> > > the> > > > > one available on the net, gives wholesale upaya for each> > planet> > > in> > > > > each

house. And you know what these upaya are like.> > > > >> > > > > You will agree that we should not encourage this tendency of> > > > > wholesale upaya as given in these baazar books.> > > > >> > > > > The second reason was that if we answer such a query on> > Saturn,> > > > then> > > > > there might be requests for other planets. There will be no> > end> > > to> > > > > it. This will lead us away from our intention to discuss> > > concepts> > > > > and principles.> > > > >> > > > > However if you think that the query of Thakur Saheb is> > > justified ,> > > > > then I will request you to kindly help us and prepare an> > answer> > > > for> > > > >

him.> > > > >> > > > > As for being a moderator, my job is only to moderate the> > > language,> > > > > that too when I feel it might hurt some one.> > > > >> > > > > Soon we would have finished with the current two topics of> > Pitri> > > > Rin> > > > > and Blind horoscopes. I will request the members to initiate> > a> > > > > discussion on some other concept.> > > > >> > > > > With regards,> > > > >> > > > > Chandra prakash> > > > >> > > > > , kulbir bains> > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > >> > >

> > > sir, in my personal opinion thakur sahib has raised a> > valid> > > > point> > > > > for disscussion. he is not asking about a particular remedy> > for> > > > > himself but a generalised question.but as a moderator u have> > the> > > > > final word. i would suggest that ur goodself categorize the> > > topics> > > > > for disscussion and fix a time limit for each topic.> > > > > >> > > > > kulbir bains> > > > > >> > > > > > cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007@> wrote:> > > > > > Dear kaiwal ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This group is for discussion on various concepts and> > > principles> > > > of> > > > > > the Lal Kitab and

not to suggest upaya for various> > planets.> > > > > > Therefore you might have to seek answer to your query from> > > some> > > > > > other group.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > > >> > > > > > , kaiwal thakur> > > > > > <i9815739229@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected all> > > > > > > How one can please SAT or get rid off its effects from> > > > > > differrent houses> > > > > > > Eagerly waiting to chat or for mail> > > > > > > Wish

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