Guest guest Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 bhooshan ji i endorse ur vies. being a JAT pandit. often indulging in drinking. i have seen sometimes that i have a wrong kundli in my hand and while darusti the native keeps on saying yes;yes;yes and in the morning i realise the mistake. this has happened many a times kulbir bains > I just wanted to add some thing though not astrological. I firmly > believe that unless there is a blessing of the Ishta Devta or Pandit > ji himself, not many upaya will be successful. I also believe that > those who study Lal Kitab or prescribe the upaya from it have been > chosen by the benevolent spirit of Pandit ji to carry forward his > mission of serving the man kind. I have often felt that Spirit > almost dictating to me. Just non-astrological musings. > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhushan ji > > Yes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong or > > right but after some mails & participation of some members i have > no > > hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I > request > > to all members to correct my views > > I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & > > saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka > jismain > > sab ye ghoomte hain. " All of u are known to the importance of budh > > due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about > saturn > > in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these two > > planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It means > both > > have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to share > that > > in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of > Budh.Even > > there is a line in lalkitab at the page . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl (Budh) > > sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " . before this line u will > > find " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai. I think the budh has the > > major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & > > indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread darkness > & > > all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the GLASS > OF > > BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the quantity > of > > the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not SWABHAAV),it can > > help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy failure. > > With regards > > Lakitabee V.K.Shukla > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dennis ji, > > > > > > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of > > mercury > > > is ascertained. I am giving the process here : > > > In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a > > > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value > > > assigned to the planets permanently. > > > > > > Sun : 9 > > > Moon : 8 > > > Mars : 5 > > > Mercury : 4 > > > Jupiter : 6 > > > Venus : 7 > > > Saturn : 3 > > > Rahu : 2 > > > Ketu : 1 > > > > > > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number > > the > > > planet is situated in. > > > Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so > on. > > > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. > > > > > > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by > > 9. > > > > > > If the remainder is : > > > > > > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house. > > If > > > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun > > where > > > ever the sun is placed. > > > 1 = like Ketu > > > 2 = like rahu > > > 3 = like Saturn > > > 4 = like mercury { itself } > > > 5 = like mars > > > 6 = like Jupiter > > > 7 = like venus > > > 8 = like moon > > > > > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. > > > > > > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a > planet > > > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > > > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat. > > > For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not > > pass > > > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this > aspect > > of > > > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > > > > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications > > are > > > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the > > > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look > > for > > > that planet. > > > > > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing > > > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > > back > > > ache } > > > The upaya has to be done for both the planets. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, > > > please kindly clarify. > > > > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand > this.Can > > > you,please,explain more? > > > > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways > applied? > > I > > > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the > problem > > > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results > be :a) > > > problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems > > with > > > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a > > > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet > > (e.g. > > > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred > > > always to them? > > > > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand > > > Hindi .:-( > > > > Regards, > > > > Dionisis > > > > - > > > > cptyagi2007 > > > > > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning > gets > > > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English > > > because > > > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy > > failure > > > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme > > khanawar > > > haal > > > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI > KOSHISH > > > SE > > > > KOI > > > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE > ASAR > > > > KE > > > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be > > > checked > > > > > before prescribing a > > > > > > > > > remedy. > > > > > Kulbir bains > > > > > > > > > > , Pandit > Bhooshan > > > Priya > > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with > full > > > > faith > > > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the > > > upaya > > > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse > > except > > > > that > > > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem > > > properly > > > > or > > > > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes > > > every > > > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs > at > > my > > > > end. > > > > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact > > problem > > > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > > > Invariably > > > > the > > > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to > state > > > the > > > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send > his > > > > problem > > > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the > native > > is > > > > there > > > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify > the > > > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is > where > > > there > > > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are > off > > > the > > > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > > > committed > > > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less > talked > > > about > > > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group > > from > > > > a > > > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that > > > there > > > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > > > husband's > > > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary > > combinations > > > > that > > > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the > > > chart > > > > of > > > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house > > for > > > > which > > > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota > > sab > > > > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and > > > > grandsons > > > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi > lavald > > na > > > > hoga > > > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will > not > > > be > > > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > > > planetary > > > > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { > > nature > > > of > > > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out > > the > > > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now > the > > > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal > > > shukra > > > > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an > > eye > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that > the > > > > native > > > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any > > astrologer > > > > will > > > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone > problem. > > > There > > > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I > > looked > > > at > > > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > > > > noticing > > > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets > which > > > could > > > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found > that > > > > Jupiter > > > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on > its > > > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will > > have > > > to > > > > be > > > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > > > strengthen > > > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back > > bone > > > he > > > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at > the > > > root > > > > of > > > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the > > upaya > > > has > > > > to > > > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka > bakra > > > > > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn} too > > has > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any > 10th > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of > mercury }, > > > > Bali > > > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of > > > Saturn } > > > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, > but > > > in > > > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind > > always. > > > > These > > > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By > doing > > > so, I > > > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I > am > > > sure > > > > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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